question about 92 years old mother who plans to come here and live out her life with her son and his family

[hanhanhan]

i am asking a question for a friend who is not a member of this forum. His mother is 92 and fragile wheel chair-bound, and very near the end of her life. She currently living in Scandinavia. After covid is over and Thailand resumes tourism, She plan to move here to stay with her son(my friend) and live out her life here with him and his family.

 

My friend wants to ask in this case, does his mom simply come in with 30 day visa free, and just disregard the visa issue. Is this the best option since its a final destination and could be only a short trip? and he also wonders when his mom passed away, is there a visa fee penalty for the deceased ?I am not sure, but common sense and humanity would say no, but Thailand I don't want to bet on it.

[Jingthing]

Well I haven't heard such questions before.

 

I can't imagine there would be a problem with overstay legalities after death. What are they going to do, send the body to the detention center?

[Mickeymaus]

Does she have a health insurance for Thailand? 

[RichardColeman]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

I can't imagine there would be a problem with overstay legalities after death. What are they going to do, send the body to the detention center?

I don't see an issue with the overstay and death - BUT, how on earth will she get here without paying a huge insurance cost that would probably equate to selling your house at 93 and near dead and getting the COE without it will probably not ever happen, and if you wait for non insurance travel it could well be 18 months and she dead by then.

 

 

 

[MayBeNow]

I wish your friend and his mum a wonderful time together. I would not care for legalities. Fly mum in and let her overstay her visa. Its beautiful mum and son want to do this, best of luck for them!! 

[MayBeNow]

6 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

I don't see an issue with the overstay and death - BUT, how on earth will she get here without paying a huge insurance cost that would probably equate to selling your house at 93 and near dead and getting the COE without it will probably not ever happen, and if you wait for non insurance travel it could well be 18 months and she dead by then.

 

 

 

Why insurance? She comes here to be with her son when she dies. No need for health insurance at the end of your life imho.

Edited July 14, 2021 by MayBeNow

[FritsSikkink]

37 minutes ago, MayBeNow said:

Why insurance? She comes here to be with her son when she dies. No need for health insurance at the end of your life imho.

Don't think she will see the end of Covid, if she comes as a tourist during Covid she will need health insurance to enter.

[BritTim]

The OP has an assumption that no one will take any interest in the woman's overstay during her lifetime. In a large city like Bangkok, it is possible that she might fly under the radar. In some remote areas, the local officials might be sympathetic, and turn a blind eye. However, there is a very real chance that the overstay will be recognised and prosecuted during the poor woman's lifetime. The consequences are unpredictable.

 

Another question is whether the airline would regard her as fit to fly. It may not be possible for her to reach Thailand by air.

 

Insurance is not the major issue when she intends entering visa exempt. I would recommend using an agent to get the woman a conversion Non O visa and extension of stay based on retirement. The cost is not that high, and a deliberate overstay is just too much of a risk.

[bluezircon]

I'd be concerned about the mothers health. It's a long flight and then very hot once here. She may not be fit enough to acclimatise.

 

Worth double checking covid insurance and funeral costs. Certainly cheaper than back home I'd think.

 

Can you be sure she wouldn't need hospital care whilst in Thailand. Full insurance would be very expensive.

[Maestro]

2 hours ago, hanhanhan said:

...My friend wants to ask in this case, does his mom simply come in with 30 day visa free, and just disregard the visa issue...

 

On which type of extension of stay is your friend?

[RichardColeman]

1 hour ago, MayBeNow said:

Why insurance? She comes here to be with her son when she dies. No need for health insurance at the end of your life imho.

Have you actually been reading Thai immigration entry requirements under covid for the past year  ?

 

Another question would she cope alone in Thai quarantine ? Who would take care of her if she gets 'pinged' or has to stay in quarantine for any length of time. 

 

If this lady wants to wait for NO insurance entry, chances are she'll be dead (sadly) when that requirement ends as the poster says it mat be a 'short trip'

 

 

 

[ubonjoe]

If he is on a extension of stay based upon retirement, working and etc his mother could get a one year extension at immigration as his mother with no financial proof or insurance. She would need a non-o visa to enter the country and apply for the extension.

[BritTim]

5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Another question would she cope alone in Thai quarantine ? Who would take care of her if she gets 'pinged' or has to stay in quarantine for any length of time. 

If she comes over while mandatory quarantine is still in effect, I assume she will need to use AHQ (alternative hospital quarantine) rather than regular ASQ.

[RAZZELL]

Could she not fly direct to Phuket and her son meet her there?

 

RAZZ

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, RAZZELL said:

Could she not fly direct to Phuket and her son meet her there?

That might be possible if she is fully vaccinated for covid 19. With proof she is his mother they might be able to share the same room.

[NCC1701A]

9 hours ago, hanhanhan said:

His mother is 92 and fragile wheel chair-bound,

has she been to Thailand before? Photos look great but the reality is something else. 

 

Hot, humid, mosquitos, poor food hygiene, bad water, noisy, culture shock...

 

you will have to keep her in a bubble world, no way to acclimate at 92.      

Edited July 15, 2021 by NCC1701A

[1FinickyOne]

8 hours ago, MayBeNow said:

I would not care for legalities.

OP - I hope your friend can work this out, but surely try and keep it within the law... maybe a medical extension - or surely a visa agent will have the answer... it will be difficult enough to get her here, getting deported or thrown in Imm detention would be a tragedy... 

[hanhanhan]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

If he is on a extension of stay based upon retirement, working and etc his mother could get a one year extension at immigration as his mother with no financial proof or insurance. She would need a non-o visa to enter the country and apply for the extension.

My friend has retirement extension. I will tell my friend to read these replies and make his decision. I think they plan to go back Scandinavia after Thai country is open without quaratine and bring her here on a first class flight. He said she is fragile but not terminally ill, so no problem for lying down on a long flight.

 

He also posted his question on his native language website, the majority of replies reccommend him to just ignore all the paper works, its too stressful for such old age and final destination is here, last beauful jounrey with  love ones.

[hanhanhan]

10 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

has she been to Thailand before? Photos look great but the reality is something else. 

 

Hot, humid, mosquitos, poor food hygiene, bad water, noisy, culture shock...

 

you will have to keep her in a bubble world, no way to acclimate at 92.      

I think her purpose is to spend last last part of life with her love ones, i guess is better than dying alone in cold frigid small town Scandinavia. I asked myself too, would I do the same if I was 92 and mostly alone, I guess I would make the same decision to go where my love ones are, i think location doesnt matter that much anymore.

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, hanhanhan said:

My friend has retirement extension. I will tell my friend to read these replies and make his decision. I think they plan to go back Scandinavia after Thai country is open without quaratine and bring her here on a first class flight. He said she is fragile but not terminally ill, so no problem for lying down on a long flight.

It will be fairly easy for her get a single entry non-o visa for being a member of his family at a embassy. And then a one year extension. He could probably do it for her to save a trip to immigration.

 

10 minutes ago, hanhanhan said:

He also posted his question on his native language website, the majority of replies reccommend him to just ignore all the paper works, its too stressful for such old age and final destination is here, last beauful jounrey with  love ones.

That some incorrect info. It could lead to a lot of problems and costs especially if you wanted to leave the country after going on a overstay or even worse if she was caught with a overstay.

Even having to go to hospital might be a problem with an overstay.

[NancyL]

It could definitely be a problem for her going to a hospital if on overstay.  It might attract attention of immigration who will want her to repatriate once she is able to travel.  I've know this to happen in Chiang Mai, even for very elderly people.  Also nursing homes/assisted living centers will not accept a new resident on overstay.

 

The OPs friend is assuming his mother is going to pass quickly, but that often isn't the case.  It may get the point that she becomes so frail that his family can't care for her and she needs care in a nursing home.

[Liverpool Lou]

11 hours ago, MayBeNow said:

I would not care for legalities. Fly mum in and let her overstay her visa.

A ridiculous, frivolous suggestion.   Just because she's elderly (and regardless of any due compassion) doesn't mean that she can ignore the visa rules everyone has to abide by and be excused.

[Liverpool Lou]

9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Have you actually been reading Thai immigration entry requirements under covid for the past year  ?

 

Another question would she cope alone in Thai quarantine ? Who would take care of her if she gets 'pinged' or has to stay in quarantine for any length of time. 

The OP specifically stated that she would plan to come after the Covid situation is back to normal.

Edited July 15, 2021 by Liverpool Lou

[Liverpool Lou]

20 minutes ago, NancyL said:

The OPs friend is assuming his mother is going to pass quickly, but that often isn't the case.  It may get the point that she becomes so frail that his family can't care for her and she needs care in a nursing home.

And you're assuming that you know more about the woman's health and life expectancy than her family do!

[NancyL]

17 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

And you're assuming that you know more about the woman's health and life expectancy than her family do!

Actually, yes, I probably do.  They probably haven't had experience in helping several hundred elderly expats in Chiang Mai and seeing what happens when they assume they will pass quietly and quickly in their sleep.  Very few are given that gift.

[kingstonkid]

ubonjoe could she not get a 90 day visa.  That would alleviate the legalities of being here.

 

My questions though are the same as others has this guy really thought it through.  Unless he is already in Phuket he may have issues as it is only open to tourist not people living in the country.

 

Also is his friends country on the fly list.

Will her doctor sign that she is healthy to take the flight.  Airlines may not let her on the plane unattended.

 

The other thing to take in to consideration is that things are quite fluid here as far ass the rules.

Would it make more sense for him to fly home and escort her here

 

[wpcoe]

6 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

has she been to Thailand before? Photos look great but the reality is something else. 

 

Hot, humid, mosquitos, poor food hygiene, bad water, noisy, culture shock...

 

you will have to keep her in a bubble world, no way to acclimate at 92.      

Since her late 90s, my mother lived with my sister and never left their apartment.  It was her choice and she was quite happy and secure in her climate controlled home (in Las Vegas) with TV, books & crosswords to keep her occupied.  Didn't matter what it was like past the front door.  Bubble worlds can and do work for some people.

[ubonjoe]

20 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

ubonjoe could she not get a 90 day visa.  That would alleviate the legalities of being here.

From my earlier post.

 

6 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

It will be fairly easy for her get a single entry non-o visa for being a member of his family at a embassy. And then a one year extension. He could probably do it for her to save a trip to immigration.

 

[khunPer]

15 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I don't see an issue with the overstay and death - BUT, how on earth will she get here without paying a huge insurance cost that would probably equate to selling your house at 93 and near dead and getting the COE without it will probably not ever happen, and if you wait for non insurance travel it could well be 18 months and she dead by then.

There is no insurance claim when arriving visa exempt, apart from $100,000 Covid insurance that is based of country pf origin and not age, a travel insurance might be possible to obtain for entry purposes, she's is still official resident in her Scandinavian home country for 180 days from departure.

 

When in Thailand it would be wise to obtain extension of stay based on retirement or family, instead of risking an overstay.

 

I'm quite sure she will love to live her together with her son during her otium, and enjoy the warm climate. I'm from Scandinavia, and my father seriously talked about migrating to a warm country when he turned 104, Thailand was on the list of potential warm places, also because I was considering a move to there.

[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, khunPer said:

When in Thailand it would be wise to obtain extension of stay based on retirement or family, instead of risking an overstay.

There is not reason for her to apply for a extension based upon retirement since she can apply for a non-o visa and then a extension for being a member of her sons family.

No need for medical insurance to apply for the non-o visa or extension. Or any financial proof.