12 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

Do you really think that the Thai factory doesn't have the formula ?   And it's not like AZ Company can physically move the factory and wouldn't be neccesary anyway. President Biden  besides asking Pfizer and Moderna to maximise their production he is also asking them to basically give away their liscens so that factories in Africa, Asia and around the world can make their own. If AZ walks out of Thailand Pfizer or Moderna could take over the manufacturing plant.

The Thai Factory will definitely not have the entire Formula for the Vaccine, and will probably not know who the Component Suppliers are.

What Company would just give away something such as that ?

AZ, if they wished would be able to relocate their entire operation within a couple of weeks if they so desired.

Its not the Bricks and Mortar that make the Vaccine, but Machines and people.

Pfizer or Moderna take over ??? after seeing AZ walk

Dont think so 

 

4 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:

What a crock of <<deleted>>. Even at full capacity, which is doubtful, 40% of 15 million is just 6 million doses per month. This is well short of the touted 10 million doses per month they have been bragging about. Little wonder they are still having to import the Sinocrap.

AZ pulled the same trick over in Europe after contract was signed with the EU,

 

they renegaded their delivery schedule and made excuses for further delay, typical British MO 

 

soon after came the bad news about AZ and nobody wanted them in Europe, so plenty of excess to be shipped over SE Asia

 

and then this LOL

5 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Showing off now.....monsoon is a wind!!! Bet you knew that anyway.

Does that mean you can break a monsoon?

16 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Others have said this but it's incorrect, I will explain.

 

AstraZeneca needs Indias production capacity, they have long been the worlds manufacturing powerhouse for vaccines.

 

So AstraZeneca needs India, it doesn't need Thailand. Big difference.

 

India = Huge production and Market

Thailand = also ran in comparison.

6 minutes ago, thaitom said:

I thought it was made in Thailand.

 

My mistake also. You wonder where it does come from?! Patagonia, Estonia, Botswana   ...  ????

Astrazenica will be the sinovac of the future. 

3 hours ago, Petey11 said:

One long season then, 12 months of the year. Get everyone vaccinated is the key.

It might help, we all hope it does. But it’s not possible for one, and two it probably would not even work like you think even if we did it. 
 

For example, we have a vaccine, yet Thailand infections are spiking. If I would have told you that months ago you would call me crazy. 

35 minutes ago, thaitom said:

I thought it was made in Thailand.

 

It is but Thailand is the production company for all of ASEAN.  You want to here people yell. Just imagine if they hold up deliveries to Indonesia or Phil.

 

This is PPP on AZ mgmt.  Hate to say it but it takes pressure off the gov't as they have someone else to blame.

We have experience with this bunch in the EU ...

2 hours ago, Dialemco said:

as it was never meant for countries who could afford to pay the commercial cost being asked by other companies

I don't think that's correct.  Astra Zeneca stated a long time back that its product will be supplied on a 'not for profit' basis to every country that places an order, regardless of that country's wealth.  They will continue to do for as long as they consider the situation is a Pandemic and have reserved the right to keep the situation under review. The AZ product is, for example, supplied to the UK government at the 'not for profit' price.

 

The issue of countries that can't afford to buy vaccines is being dealt with by schemes like COVAX and others.

3 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

This is an unholy mess.  AZ came up with a good idea to do local production in SE Asia, if indeed they came up with the idea themselves, but they shot themselves in the foot but giving the whole production to one small company with no experience or track record in vaccine production. A back up factory in Thailand and/or elsewhere was the obvious thing to do, if they wanted to proceed with such a partner. 

 

Now Thailand is gong to have to severly curtail or ban exports.  So there is not much point in AZ trying to bargain to cut the Thai orders.  The same thing happened to them in India.  There is nothing they can do against a sovereign power. In the EU they are being sued for non-delivery. 

part of the vaccine is shipped in to Thailand from Europe and the UK if this ceases because Thailand decides to go it alone the vaccine would be deemed useless Thailand cannot be compered to INDIA as that country is one of the biggest producers in the world when it comes to manufacturing all types of medication . the other concern would be if Thailand insists on using mixed vaccines as reported , yesterday i read a statement released by WHO stating that vaccinating an individual with two types of vaccine should be avoided at all costs

43 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

they renegaded their delivery schedule and made excuses for further delay, typical British MO 

Ermm, Astra Zeneca is not a British company.

4 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:

What a crock of <<deleted>>. Even at full capacity, which is doubtful, 40% of 15 million is just 6 million doses per month. This is well short of the touted 10 million doses per month they have been bragging about. Little wonder they are still having to import the Sinocrap.

Sinovac is better than nothing if you can't get anything else!

I’m at a loss to understand this mess. If AZ is asking to “extend the timeline to deliver 61 million doses to Thailand” what was the original timeline?  If SBS is currently producing 10 million doses/mo and 40% of that production stays in Thailand, then at 4 million doses produced per month for Thailand, its overall commitment would take 15 months to complete and now they want 5 additional months to deliver- 20 months total?

Just now, Badrabbit said:

Sinovac is better than nothing if you can't get anything else!

Perhaps, but it could force you into a multi brand vaccination cocktail.  Or worse, it could preclude you from getting one of the better vaccines, if and when they become available.

Probably the darkest day so far in the local battle with COVID...

 

about to top 10,000 daily cases, while some health officials say that figure is really 4X.

 

about to top 100 deaths, 98 today, with two foreigners

 

record number in ICU: 3,276, record number on ventilators: 839

 

and now, vaccine supply goes poof

 

No amulet precious enough is gonna get us out of this mess.

 

 

 

 

 

And who owns siam biotech 

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Showing off now.....monsoon is a wind!!! Bet you knew that anyway.

Cambridge Dictionary:  "the season of heavy rain during the summer in hot Asian countries".

 

The only thing being shown off is your ignorance.

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/monsoon

2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Probably the darkest day so far in the local battle with COVID...

 

about to top 10,000 daily cases, while some health officials say that figure is really 4X.

 

about to top 100 deaths, 98 today, with two foreigners

 

record number in ICU: 3,276, record number on ventilators: 839

 

and now, vaccine supply goes poof

 

No amulet precious enough is gonna get us out of this mess.

 

 

 

 

 

still acceptable metrics,

 

European countries with similar sizes to Thailand, we had 7,000 in ICUs and 500-900 deaths per day and that was probably under-reported

 

Thailand is going to face the same metrics by the end of August,

Who really knows where the problem lies with the production of the Thai made AZ vaccine?  Prayut made claims that he would oversee x million doses and declared himself the Covid Tsar - I bet he regrets doing that now.

 

Lots of claims and assertions being made here - we can only guess but my money would be on the Thai government being to blame for the current mess.  If they are not to blame, they probably can't say who is.

 

Given the ownership of the Thai company making the vaccine, we are never likley to find out the truth but with consideration of Thailand's laws, I would suggest members be very careful in what they write about that company.

 

12 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Ermm, Astra Zeneca is not a British company.

The Zeneca bit is Brit ...

Just now, GrandPapillon said:

still acceptable metrics,

 

European countries with similar sizes to Thailand, we had 7,000 in ICUs and 500-900 deaths per day and that was probably under-reported

 

Thailand is going to face the same metrics by the end of August,

But they have neither the ICUs nor the staff (never mind vaccinated staff) to cope ... there is the potential for an Indian type calamity ...

5 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Perhaps, but it could force you into a multi brand vaccination cocktail.  Or worse, it could preclude you from getting one of the better vaccines, if and when they become available.

If and when is the thing that is making me take what is available now, from what I have read no Vaccine protects you 100%.

3 minutes ago, BusyB said:

The Zeneca bit is Brit ...

I stand corrected.

1 minute ago, BusyB said:

But they have neither the ICUs nor the staff (never mind vaccinated staff) to cope ... there is the potential for an Indian type calamity ...

neither did we in Europe, medical staff went through that same cahos, and it worked eventually

 

with 10,000 capacity in ICUs, silly lockdowns wouldn't be necessary and it would be business as usual with the virus spreading naturally

 

of course DELTA is putting a new pressure on those ICUs capacity

1 minute ago, KhaoYai said:

I stand corrected.

But the MO DNA is quite apparent ;D

46 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

yesterday i read a statement released by WHO stating that vaccinating an individual with two types of vaccine should be avoided at all costs

Not close to what they said or what they meant.

 

What they meant was that an individual should not make personal decisions on mixing vaccines. It should be based on researched and tested information and decided by professionals. All the data so far suggests it is both safe and  produces better immunity when chosen wisely.  The original WHO muddled statement caused confusion and they were called on it.

 

WHO warns individuals against mixing and matching COVID vaccines

 

1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

neither did we in Europe, medical staff went through that same cahos, and it worked eventually

 

with 10,000 capacity in ICUs, silly lockdowns wouldn't be necessary and it would be business as usual with the virus spreading naturally

 

of course DELTA is putting a new pressure on those ICUs capacity

Well, Italy did and that was quite a disaster ... other countries got their acts together faster and managed, in part because they had the resources ... and they are far greater than Thailand's unfortunately.

 

Each one of the cases we are seeing recorded today has already infected many others, the growth is exponential, and numbers tend to lag by a couple of weeks ...

 

Fingers crossed it turns out better than it's shaping up ...

1 minute ago, BusyB said:

Well, Italy did and that was quite a disaster ... other countries got their acts together faster and managed, in part because they had the resources ... and they are far greater than Thailand's unfortunately.

 

Each one of the cases we are seeing recorded today has already infected many others, the growth is exponential, and numbers tend to lag by a couple of weeks ...

 

Fingers crossed it turns out better than it's shaping up ...

Italy situation was far from perfect, but to be honest they were at par with the rest of Europe in terms of cahos, only insignificantly worse 

 

of course, the population doesn't see it that way, and everyone in Europe is mad somehow with their government slow actions

2 hours ago, nahkit said:

Think the whole story is misleading - surely it's the Thai company who are producing the vaccine here that are asking for an extension, rather than Astrazeneca themselves?

As you might expect a Thai company was issued the licence to produce the AZ vaccine with technical assistance. 

SBS had lots of publicity loudly extolling the fact that they, and therefore Thailand, were to be the vaccine production "hub" of Asia. 

Now things turn pear shaped the blame is being shifted to the foreign company AZ. 

As you would also expect.