Ivermectin

[canthai55]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

The idea that Big Pharma is suppressing Ivermectin because it’s cheap is pretty crazy. Dexamethazone is cheap and proven effective, and nobody is suppressing it.

You fail to understand the point I am making.

Any of them.

That you believe Big Pharma is a lot more crazy IM not so HO

[canthai55]

Our own research has shown again and again that what doctors say is important in their prescribing of a particular therapy/disease area is NOT what actually drives their prescribing.

For example, in one specialty area, doctors said their top three drivers of prescribing were large body of clinical evidence to support the brand, impressive write ups in journals, and good patient compliance.

In fact, the data showed that the real drivers were that the brand should be highly effective in maintaining remission, safe in the long term, and safe in the short term.

We have examples in virtually every therapy area known to man where what doctors say is important and what actually drives prescribing are completely different!

https://www.reutersevents.com/pharma/commercial/5-pharma-marketing-mistakes-and-how-fix-them

 

One has to look no further than the Opioid crisis to see that Doctors do not know what the Heck they are doing. And this is with the full backing of Big Pharma.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, canthai55 said:

You seem to make make assumptions of what I do and do not reject.

Show me where I advocate 'Fringe' sources - all I have posted is a distrust of mainstream media, and for good reason.

Easy enuf to find bias in all of them, if you care to look.

But many people have blinders on and will take at face value anything that is put in front of them

More Fools Them

My apologies, you don't support your skepticism of all science with any sources, and you don't dispute the logic or facts supporting accepted practices and rejecting fringe practices.  You just insist that any accepted practices supported by organizations that make money can't be trusted.

 

That's why I posted my earlier assumption that you live naked in the wilderness and survive on nuts and berries.  After all, I assume you don't trust those who build housing, make clothes, produce food, etc.  They're all in it for the money.

 

How do you manage to post on the internet without letting anyone profit?

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Research indicates that the reach of fake news websites is limited to small parts of the population. On the other hand, data demonstrate that large proportions of the public know about notable fake news stories and believe them. These findings imply the possibility that most people hear about fake news stories not from fake news websites but through their coverage in mainstream news outlets. Thus far, only limited attention has been directed to the role of mainstream media in the dissemination of disinformation. To remedy this, this article synthesizes the literature pertaining to understand the role mainstream media play in the dissemination of fake news, the reasons for such coverage and its influences on the audience.

Two well-known examples are a complex of fake news websites run by teenagers from a small town in Macedonia and a U.S. company called Disinfomedia, owning many sites disguised as serious journalism (including USAToday.com.co and WashingtonPost.com.co). Both operations spread pro-Trump and anti-Clinton fake news stories prior to the 2016 U.S. elections (Allcott & Gentzkow, 2017, p. 217), as did many so-called alternative news websites in the right-wing media ecosystem (Benkler et al., 2018).

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23808985.2020.1759443

https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

From your first linik:

 

"Certainly not the only conduit of fake news and other disinformation, mainstream media are thus probably a significant amplifier and disseminator of false stories – even if they, for the most part, cover fake news with an intent to set the record straight and correct the fabricated information."

 

Legitimate news is supposed to identify and refute fake news.

 

From your second source:

 

"He was amazed at how quickly fake news could spread and how easily people believe it. He wrote one fake story for NationalReport.net about how customers in Colorado marijuana shops were using food stamps to buy pot.

"What that turned into was a state representative in the House in Colorado proposing actual legislation to prevent people from using their food stamps to buy marijuana based on something that had just never happened," Coler says."

 

Also:

 

"Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait."

 

Interesting articles, but I don't see what is your point.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, canthai55 said:

So ... some patients overdose themselves

Better ban Aspirin and a million other drugs I can name where an overdose is dangerous.

Your argument would be much more credible if you could show that the percent of aspirin users who overdose is as high or higher than the percent of ivermectin users who overdose.  Somehow I suspect the small number of people dumb enough to use ivermectin for unauthorized and unproven "cures" experience far more overdoses than the large number of aspirin users.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, canthai55 said:

You fail to understand the point I am making.

Any of them.

That you believe Big Pharma is a lot more crazy IM not so HO

No, there is nothing crazy about believing the highly regulated (by independent agencies in dozens of countries) and peer reviewed studies that show the effectiveness of cures and vaccinations released by pharmaceutical companies. 

 

Crazy is believing that anyone who produces for profit is out to get you.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Our own research has shown again and again that what doctors say is important in their prescribing of a particular therapy/disease area is NOT what actually drives their prescribing.

For example, in one specialty area, doctors said their top three drivers of prescribing were large body of clinical evidence to support the brand, impressive write ups in journals, and good patient compliance.

In fact, the data showed that the real drivers were that the brand should be highly effective in maintaining remission, safe in the long term, and safe in the short term.

We have examples in virtually every therapy area known to man where what doctors say is important and what actually drives prescribing are completely different!

https://www.reutersevents.com/pharma/commercial/5-pharma-marketing-mistakes-and-how-fix-them

 

One has to look no further than the Opioid crisis to see that Doctors do not know what the Heck they are doing. And this is with the full backing of Big Pharma.

"doctors said their top three drivers of prescribing were large body of clinical evidence to support the brand, impressive write ups in journals, and good patient compliance....the data showed that the real drivers were that the brand should be highly effective in maintaining remission, safe in the long term, and safe in the short term."

 

The two sets of drivers do not perfectly overlap, but they are largely in agreement.

 

The opioid crisis is an example of institutional stupidity.  Up until the early 1980's the medical community operated on the assumption that pain never hurt anyone (I experienced that attitude after partially scalping myself in a car accident).  This led to the under-prescribing of pain medication across the board, most notably in denying terminally ill patients in extreme pain potentially addictive medicines.

 

The backlash to this situation resulted in a new attitude of "pain is unnecessary".  This led to the over-prescribing of pain medicines.  This new attitude was abused by pharmaceutical companies and unethical doctors.  However it did not discredit pain medication as a useful means to relieve suffering.

 

There are other examples, an obvious example being the horrors of realizing that intelligence that might have prevented 9/11 was not widely shared, followed 12 years later by the horrors of realizing how easily Eric Snowden gained access to intelligence he had no need for.  I assume intelligence is now more tightly controlled, as well as pain medication.

 

However in both these examples only a fringe minority suggested that producers of medicines or classified information should be ignored across the board.  That seems to be what you are suggesting.

 

Is that correct?  Are you suggesting we shut down "big pharma" and do without modern medicine and rigid research into the safety and effectiveness of new drugs?

 

By the way; how did you learn about the opioid crisis?  It wasn't mainstream media, was it?

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

xylophone response post is definitive. Ivermection is not designed to combat Covid and is in fact proven useless for that. end of…….same with that trump-promoted hydro bleach stuff.

why anybody would take any non- customized treatments for anything is completely beyond me…..stupid, useless & dangerous…….then the same fools are typically also anti- vax…..a proven scientific customized covid protection….

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, canthai55 said:

So ... some patients overdose themselves

Better ban Aspirin and a million other drugs I can name where an overdose is dangerous.

Because hospitals are filled with patients overdosing on aspirin.  Not. 

 

Patients are streaming into hospitals because of overdoses of Ivermectin. 

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, canthai55 said:

You fail to understand the point I am making.

Any of them.

That you believe Big Pharma is a lot more crazy IM not so HO

Explain why Big Pharma hasn't crushed Dexamethazone, a cheap and effective treatment for Covid-19. 

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Our own research has shown again and again that what doctors say is important in their prescribing of a particular therapy/disease area is NOT what actually drives their prescribing.

For example, in one specialty area, doctors said their top three drivers of prescribing were large body of clinical evidence to support the brand, impressive write ups in journals, and good patient compliance.

In fact, the data showed that the real drivers were that the brand should be highly effective in maintaining remission, safe in the long term, and safe in the short term.

We have examples in virtually every therapy area known to man where what doctors say is important and what actually drives prescribing are completely different!

https://www.reutersevents.com/pharma/commercial/5-pharma-marketing-mistakes-and-how-fix-them

 

One has to look no further than the Opioid crisis to see that Doctors do not know what the Heck they are doing. And this is with the full backing of Big Pharma.

Right. 

 

Your internet group knows more than the medical community. 

 

Do you understand how crazy that sounds? 

[canthai55]

Article dated 2 Sep 2021

 

“Since the beginning of May, we’ve received reports of 11 people being exposed to ivermectin,” said Scott Schaeffer, managing director of the Oklahoma Center for Poison and Drug Information.

 

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-oklahoma-hospital-ambulances-patents-coronavirus-ivermectin-20210902-yqrlniulrbfcdhajchdzq2na34-story.html

 

Wow - 11 people ! A real health crisis !

 

555

 

 

 

[heybruce]

20 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

Article dated 2 Sep 2021

 

“Since the beginning of May, we’ve received reports of 11 people being exposed to ivermectin,” said Scott Schaeffer, managing director of the Oklahoma Center for Poison and Drug Information.

 

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-oklahoma-hospital-ambulances-patents-coronavirus-ivermectin-20210902-yqrlniulrbfcdhajchdzq2na34-story.html

 

Wow - 11 people ! A real health crisis !

 

555

How many overdosed from aspirin in that time period?

 

How many received any beneficial outcome from self-medicating with ivermectin?

 

How much do you want to bet that many of the rural hospitals scattered around that sparsely populated state are not very diligent in reporting to the Oklahoma Center for Poison and Drug Information?  It doesn't appear to be mandatory:

 

"We are here for the convenience of the public and healthcare professionals. "  https://oklahomapoison.org/about

 

If the doctors are busy but have the situation under control, why bother?

[brommers]

I support allowing anyone who wants to take Ivermectin. The sooner these idiots are poisoned and die the better.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 9/2/2021 at 6:30 PM, Harveyg said:

The issue isn’t to cherry pick to make your point. The issue is, overall, does this kind of protocol help people substantially, significantly, or not.  Take a look at this interview everyone, and Judge for yourselves.

 

 

The meta-analysis she talks about there was done several months ago, and included the large Egyptian study that was later found to be seriously flawed and was subsequently withdrawn. 

 

Without the data from that study, the meta-analysis no longer supports a finding that Ivermectin has a net overall benefit for Covid patients. 

 

I had actually formed a positive impression of Ivermectin, based almost entirely on Dr Lawrie's rather impressive-sounding meta-analysis (I even posted on here about it before).

 

However as mentioned, without the Egyptian data, the analysis now shows instead, that Ivermectin has no effect.

 

The article below discusses this.

 

Ivermectin (Still) Lacks Scientific Support as a COVID-19 Drug

[MrJ2U]

On 7/23/2021 at 10:04 PM, partington said:

Yes, but what all you guys who think social media is a better guide to health matters than science seem totally unaware of, is that the prophylactic treatment for parasites is one dose of ivermectin, every 3 months to a year!

 

None of the 4 billion doses are taken by people every day or every week!

 

Additionally you don't actually know whether you are having side effects or not.  Just because you don't feel anything does not mean no harm is occurring, does it?

 

If it did, then everyone who has early cancer, high blood pressure, and many other diseases would be aware of it straight away, rather than realising it only when the damage done becomes serious enough to show symptoms.

See dosages  here https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/ivermectin-oral-tablet#dosage

 

Extract:

"Take as directed

Ivermectin oral tablet is used for short-term treatment. It comes with serious risks if you don’t take it as prescribed.

If you stop taking the drug suddenly or don’t take it at all: Your parasitic infection won’t be cured.

If you take too much: This is not likely because in many cases, you’ll take this drug one time only, as a single dose. However, if you take too much or your dose is too high, you could have dangerous levels of this drug in your body

 

Dosage for parasite infection in the intestinal tract

Adult dosage (ages 18–64 years)

Typical dosage: 200 mcg/kg of body weight taken as one dose. Most people won’t need more than one dose.

 

Dosage for parasite infection in skin or eyes

Adult dosage (ages 18–64 years)

Typical dosage: 150 mcg/kg of body weight taken as one dose.

Follow-up treatment: You’ll likely need follow-up care from your doctor and additional rounds of treatment with this drug. Your doctor will decide when you’ll receive your next dose of ivermectin. You may be treated again in as few as three months.

Thanks.

 

I'm surprised that AsiaNow even lets this <deleted> on the forum.

 

 

[FlorC]

Well if it is good enough for a millionair like Joe Rogan , it's good enough for me.
But where to buy Ivermectin if I don't want to buy from the internet .
My vet doesn't have it , but they only do pets not cows and horses.
Go and ask at the local farmer shops where they sell seeds and stuff they spray on fields ? Hard to tell them I have a horse or buffalo .Is there a certain brand name that has Ivermectin in it , that I can ask witout dropping the ivermectin word ?
Two phamacies I asked don't even have hydroxychloroquine and don't sell animal medicine. Luckily zinc and vit D are easy to get . Z-pk (azithromycin) , more expensive .
Soner or later we'll all get exposed to covid , so better be ready with something.

[KannikaP]

On 7/24/2021 at 3:51 PM, Yorkshire Tea said:

I'm having trouble sourcing Adder's fork.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Try Viper's V    LOL

[RJRS1301]

https://theconversation.com/thinking-of-trying-ivermectin-for-covid-heres-what-can-happen-with-this-controversial-drug-167178

 

People being admitted following ingestion .

Sad so many people have parasitic infections

I have a supply of blue lights, bleach and anal douche equipment for administration.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

Well if it is good enough for a millionair like Joe Rogan , it's good enough for me.
But where to buy Ivermectin if I don't want to buy from the internet .
My vet doesn't have it , but they only do pets not cows and horses.
Go and ask at the local farmer shops where they sell seeds and stuff they spray on fields ? Hard to tell them I have a horse or buffalo .Is there a certain brand name that has Ivermectin in it , that I can ask witout dropping the ivermectin word ?
Two phamacies I asked don't even have hydroxychloroquine and don't sell animal medicine. Luckily zinc and vit D are easy to get . Z-pk (azithromycin) , more expensive .
Soner or later we'll all get exposed to covid , so better be ready with something.

You can follow the advice of Joe Rogan, or follow the advice of the medical community. Up to you.

 

It is really an intelligence test, at the end of the day.

 

BTW, are you vaccinated?

[Will B Good]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

You can follow the advice of Joe Rogan, or follow the advice of the medical community. Up to you.

 

It is really an intelligence test, at the end of the day.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gunshot-oklahoma-hospitals-ivermectin-overdose-b1914322.html

 

????

[Will B Good]

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You can follow the advice of Joe Rogan, or follow the advice of the medical community. Up to you.

 

It is really an intelligence test, at the end of the day.

 

BTW, are you vaccinated?

Natural selection, but not as Darwin had envisaged.

[KhunBENQ]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gunshot-oklahoma-hospitals-ivermectin-overdose-b1914322.html

 

????

You are not horse. I like this message

[Yabiaomer]

ahemmm .

 

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-cdc-endorsed-use-of-ivermectin-for-afghan-refugees#toggle-gdpr

 

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

take only customized scientific treatments for covid, i.e. vax. other stuff is ineffective & toxic.

 

exclude general practitioners from term “medical community” for covid purposes.

GPs ignore the obvious power of mind/ body/ diet to heal itself from minor ailments, and to boost immune system to better fight of all infections like covid.

 

GPs are taking money from big pharma to prescibe highly addictive opioids & other drugs…

relieve symptoms, dont cure 

 

some obese sick people in USA are taking over 20 different prescribed common meds each day ….Netflix Doc “What The Health”……..all of which can typically be ditched with a simple plant- based diet with exercise…controlling major internal organ diseases & required surgery is something else….

 

GPs know no more about diet/ exercise/ nutrition than the informed general public (little training).

 

all vax is great but better in conjunction well- functioning body; disease - free. drug- free.

[300sd]

Here is a good saying from Mark Twain:

 

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."

 

Time will tell who has been fooled....(I said that)

 

 

[mtls2005]

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The information provided typically includes the following:
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https://www.drugs.com/vet/ivermectin-sheep-drench.html

 

 

[canthai55]

55 minutes ago, Yabiaomer said:

ahemmm .

 

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-cdc-endorsed-use-of-ivermectin-for-afghan-refugees#toggle-gdpr

 

From the link above -

 

In reality, anyone who thinks that somehow one of the safest and most successful drugs of all time cannot work for other ailments is woefully uninformed. I trust Professor Omura, the man who won the Nobel Prize for developing ivermectin for Merck, over the company itself, which now stands to benefit from an expensive drug it is developing, with which the cheap ivermectin, which is off patent, would interfere.

[canthai55]

Do people OD from Ivermectin - yes

Are these ignorant and uninformed - seems like it

Is the media jumping on this with both feet, crowing about the dangers, P and M about this 'Dangerous' drug - most assuredly

Do people in this thread do the same - that's a BIG 10-4

Do people in this thread trust implicitly in the medical community, Big Pharma, and the mainstream Media, after years and years, and constant presentation of  cases of their lies - they sure do.

 

Will they read and understand the opinion of a Nobel laureate - see line 2 above

[connda]

On 7/24/2021 at 6:35 PM, david555 said:

I gave Ivermectin to my horses before , it was in a paste mint taste , ( plastic tube form ) in their mouth to swallow ,  and now humans go try it ...? remember a horse is about 450 kilo at least , compare it .... 

 

It was used against any worms

 

The MSM canard that Ivermectin is just a "deworming medicines for horses" is disinformation through omission.  The article even states that before widespread human use it was used in veterinary practices.  Ok.  Livestock got Ivermectin.
And then?
And then the NIH article goes on to laud Ivermectin as (their words not mine) a "Wonder Drug"
This article was published by the National Institute of Health (NIH) which is Fauci's organization to keep things in perspective.

¹ Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective
"Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world. Originally introduced as a veterinary drug, it kills a wide range of internal and external parasites in commercial livestock and companion animals. It was quickly discovered to be ideal in combating two of the world’s most devastating and disfiguring diseases which have plagued the world’s poor throughout the tropics for centuries (Onchocerciasis [River blindness] and lymphatic filariasis). It is now being used free-of-charge as the sole tool in campaigns to eliminate both diseases globally. It has also been used to successfully overcome several other human diseases and new uses for it are continually being found. This paper looks in depth at the events surrounding ivermectin’s passage from being a huge success in Animal Health into its widespread use in humans, a development which has led many to describe it as a “wonder” drug."
And the NIH article goes on:
"There are few drugs that can seriously lay claim to the title of ‘Wonder drug’, penicillin and aspirin being two that have perhaps had greatest beneficial impact on the health and wellbeing of Mankind. But ivermectin can also be considered alongside those worthy contenders, based on its versatility, safety and the beneficial impact that it has had, and continues to have, worldwide—especially on hundreds of millions of the world’s poorest people."

The NIH article clearly states: Ivermectin "has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world."  "People". "Humans."  "Mankind."  Not "Horses" although there have no doubt been billions of animals, including horses, which benefited from this "wonder drug."

The NIH article clearly states: Ivermectin "has also been used to successfully overcome several other human diseases and new uses for it are continually being found.

So for those who can continually repeat the media's tag-line, "Ivermectin is a deworming medicine for horse", - take the time, read the science, understand exactly what Ivermectin is - historically - as well as it actual uses.  The facts (clearly stated by the NIH) that research into Ivermectin are leading to "new uses for it are continually being found."  It is anything but just a deworming medicine for horses.

² From PubMed<dot>gov
"Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1. Ivermectin plays a role in several biological mechanisms, therefore it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses."

Weather Ivermectin is found to be an effective antiviral will be decided within the scientific community, not within the court of popular opinion.   But when considered for its benefit to humanity?  The NIH itself alluded to it as being a "Wonder Drug," not just a "dewormer for horses."

Read people.  Educate yourselves.  Turn off the TVs, turn on your minds, and read the science, both pro and con, and create informed opinions based on scientific facts.  The Scientific Method requires rigorous debate within the scientific community.  Without that open debate and exchange of ideas, "science" becomes religion. Your TV becomes your preacher/priest/guru/imam/rabbi and evangelist.

¹https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
²https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32533071/