Why should I inject a vaccine that could kill me when I have no risk to be sick with covid ? A Thai boy told me, what can I reply him to push for vaccination ?

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Are you aware that just a few minutes ago you claimed that there was a consensus among psychiatrists that Trump was mentally unstable? Now you're questioning it?

I said "consensus", meaning a consensus similar to the "consensus" you (apparently) claim we have now. 

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It did not say 350 psychiatric professionals, please do not make things up. 

Yes it did.

 

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What credibility? 

At least try to make some sense.

 

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The other 22 million that did not sign the petition.

That's a pretty long bow there. Nobody is on record calling out their motives.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

I said "consensus", meaning a consensus similar to the "consensus" you (apparently) claim we have now. 

 

 

 

Really? Similar how? There's plenty of public health research showing that a very high level of vaccination is needed to thwart Covid 19? That 10's of thousands are dead because they didn't get vaccinated? What kind of research was there to support the contention that Trump was mentally unstable or that he was going to be convicted of crimes?

[Yellowtail]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? Similar how? There's plenty of public health research showing that a very high level of vaccination is needed to thwart Covid 19? That 10's of thousands are dead because they didn't get vaccinated? What kind of research was there to support the contention that Trump was mentally unstable or that he was going to be convicted of crimes?

Are you going to provide the consensus you are claiming or not? 

 

I don't doubt you have an unlimited supply of articles implying a consensus has been met, but I doubt very much you can show me a study whereby all or even most healthcare professionals have been canvased and a consensus has been reached. 

 

I will concede that a consensus of healthcare professionals on TV overwhelmingly agree on most everything the TV hosts believe. 

[Yellowtail]

28 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Yes it did.

Show me. It does not. 

28 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

At least try to make some sense.

You first

28 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That's a pretty long bow there. Nobody is on record calling out their motives.

Really? No one on CNN anyways...

 

 

Edited October 24, 2021 by Yellowtail
clarity

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Show me. It does not. 

A petition signed by 350 psychiatrists and other mental-health professionals claiming that President Donald Trump’s mental health is deteriorating rapidly amid impeachment proceedings is set to be submitted to Congress on Thursday.

 

Dr Lee told Business Insider by email on Friday morning that the number of signatories had risen to 773.

 

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Really? No one on CNN anyways...

Where? I'll wait. You can't make claims without substantiating them or I will call you a liar. That's reasonable. If you can't debate in good faith you shouldn't post.

Edited October 24, 2021 by ozimoron

[EVENKEEL]

There's alot more at stake here than fighting covid. If for example 100% of people pumped this vac into their body because the gov told them to. Do you not see the future consequence of this. The whole ideal of freedom would be jeopardized. Being Vac against covid should be a personal choice and not forced. 

 

I've been vaccinated because it was my choice, I have friends and family who choose not to vaccinate and that's their choice. I know of no other immunization or vaccination that's taken to protect others. This is what many on this forum are advocating. 

 

I vaccinated for my protection not yours.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

There's alot more at stake here than fighting covid. If for example 100% of people pumped this vac into their body because the gov told them to. Do you not see the future consequence of this. The whole ideal of freedom would be jeopardized. Being Vac against covid should be a personal choice and not forced.

If there weren't laws against not wearing seat belts people wouldn't wear them. If there weren't laws against drink driving people would drive drunk. Both those laws entail a "loss of freedom". Your argument is weak. There is no loss of freedom because you got 2 vaccine shots.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

At least the researchers that agree with them. 

 

When were all the "public health researchers" canvased? 

The AMA, CDC, FDA, plus similar organizations around the world who recommend vaccination as the means to control Covid.

 

In case you aren’t paying attention, heavily vaccinated nations are seeing big drops in new infections, like UAE, Israel, and Japan.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

If there weren't laws against not wearing seat belts people wouldn't wear them. If there weren't laws against drink driving people would drive drunk. Both those laws entail a "loss of freedom". Your argument is weak. There is no loss of freedom because you got 2 vaccine shots.

Why do you care if other people wear seatbelts, what business is it of yours?

[Danderman123]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

There's alot more at stake here than fighting covid. If for example 100% of people pumped this vac into their body because the gov told them to. Do you not see the future consequence of this. The whole ideal of freedom would be jeopardized. Being Vac against covid should be a personal choice and not forced. 

 

I've been vaccinated because it was my choice, I have friends and family who choose not to vaccinate and that's their choice. I know of no other immunization or vaccination that's taken to protect others. This is what many on this forum are advocating. 

 

I vaccinated for my protection not yours.

Same for mandated vaccination against other diseases. Nothing new with vaccination requirements.

[Danderman123]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Why do you care if other people wear seatbelts, what business is it of yours?

It sounds like you are against any government mandates, not just Covid vaccination.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do you care if other people wear seatbelts, what business is it of yours?

I pay less taxes because of these laws. Not getting a vaccine is very very likely to affect me.

Edited October 24, 2021 by ozimoron

[Danderman123]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

It sounds like you support all government mandates, not just covid vaccinations. 

Wow, it sounds like you are in full troll mode today.

 

”support” is too strong a word for government mandates. I am not particularly happy about the mandate to pay taxes, but I recognize the authority and requirements of the government for taxes.

 

But, I do support government mandates for vaccination.

[EVENKEEL]

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Me? I'm vaccinated, 2 Phizer. My choice. But, I respect the choice of others not to. 

[LoeiI]

On 7/28/2021 at 2:04 PM, BritManToo said:

Yeah, you don't want anyone getting news from a source that isn't controlled by the government!

Yeah right dont listen to the experts just some Tiktok Doylem

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Me? I'm vaccinated, 2 Phizer. My choice. But, I respect the choice of others not to. 

I don't.  You sound like Brian arguing his right to be pregnant in The Life of Brian.

[placeholder]

48 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

There's alot more at stake here than fighting covid. If for example 100% of people pumped this vac into their body because the gov told them to. Do you not see the future consequence of this. The whole ideal of freedom would be jeopardized. Being Vac against covid should be a personal choice and not forced. 

 

I've been vaccinated because it was my choice, I have friends and family who choose not to vaccinate and that's their choice. I know of no other immunization or vaccination that's taken to protect others. This is what many on this forum are advocating. 

 

I vaccinated for my protection not yours.

Governments routinely mandate that children be vaccinated and have done so for a hundred years or more. So, not to worry. Freedom is already long dead.

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Governments routinely mandate that children be vaccinated and have done so for a hundred years or more. So, not to worry. Freedom is already long dead.

So, you have already rolled over and submitted have you?

 

Vaccinations with a long track record is vastly different from one which has never been administered to kids before. Not hard to understand.

[Byron Allen Black]

On 10/23/2021 at 1:39 PM, cdemundo said:

" FDA, WHO, and manufacturers are pushing the vaccination, not the medical society. "

This is not true.

https://www.ama-assn.org/topics/coronavirus-vaccines

"Coronavirus Vaccines

The AMA is a strong advocate for the research, testing and distribution of vaccines to contain the spread of COVID-19."

 

"This comprehensive update from internal medicine specialist Sandra Fryhofer, MD, AMA trustee and the AMA liaison to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, includes:

A brief historical review.

COVID vaccines currently available and who should get them.

Expected vaccine side effects & more serious adverse.

Virus variants of concern.

Additional doses for immunocompromise and where we stand on boosters.

Equity: Vaccine access and addressing vaccine hesitancy.

Strategies for productive conversations about vaccination."

 

No debate going on in the AMA, only discussion of details and recommendations on particulars.

If you bring up a recommendation from the AMA, you are not making a strong case for yourself. Big Pharma, governments, hospitals and the AMA receive huge volumes of money from the pharmaceutical industry, sometimes routed through disguised channels. 

 

Doctors - increasingly treated as technician employees by big corporate hospitals - will freely admit they have been prohibited from discussing the vaccines and what they might do to you. "Get the jab" is the mantra. Is that the nature of science these days?

[Scott]

Numerous troll posts and replies along with false and misleading posts have been removed.  

[Danderman123]

40 minutes ago, Byron Allen Black said:

If you bring up a recommendation from the AMA, you are not making a strong case for yourself. Big Pharma, governments, hospitals and the AMA receive huge volumes of money from the pharmaceutical industry, sometimes routed through disguised channels. 

 

Doctors - increasingly treated as technician employees by big corporate hospitals - will freely admit they have been prohibited from discussing the vaccines and what they might do to you. "Get the jab" is the mantra. Is that the nature of science these days?

So you believe that hundreds of thousands of physicians are entrapped in a giant conspiracy. Note that 96% of US physicians are vaccinated.

 

let me be blunt: there is no prohibition in the US against a physician providing proof that vaccines are dangerous. None. You are trapped by a conspiracy theory.

 

 

[Danderman123]

43 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

So, you have already rolled over and submitted have you?

 

Vaccinations with a long track record is vastly different from one which has never been administered to kids before. Not hard to understand.

So, you think you are an expert on immunology? You really think that reading Facebook posts by anti-vaxxers trumps recommendations from physicians and scientists?

[EVENKEEL]

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

So, you think you are an expert on immunology? You really think that reading Facebook posts by anti-vaxxers trumps recommendations from physicians and scientists?

First off Trump is all for vaccinations so feel free to discontinue using Trump. If you would remember it was he who pushed so hard for vaccine to be available. I never said I was an expert so please stop trolling.

 

As I stated several times before I'm fully vaccinated but I respect the choice of others and not willing to jab my youngster with a vaccine which has just no track record. 

[Airalee]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

In case you aren’t paying attention, heavily vaccinated nations are seeing big drops in new infections, like UAE, Israel, and Japan.

So are the least vaccinated nations such as Kenya etc etc etc

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/kenya/
 

 

[Danderman123]

50 minutes ago, Airalee said:

So are the least vaccinated nations such as Kenya etc etc etc

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/kenya/
 

 

Kenya tests at a rate 1/3rd of Thailand, so there isn’t enough Information to know true Covid case numbers there.

[Danderman123]

The vaccine helps to stop the epidemic, and the more vaccinated people, the faster the epidemic ends.

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.  Continued posting off-topic, troll posts WILL result in a suspension.  

[cdemundo]

3 hours ago, Byron Allen Black said:

If you bring up a recommendation from the AMA, you are not making a strong case for yourself. Big Pharma, governments, hospitals and the AMA receive huge volumes of money from the pharmaceutical industry, sometimes routed through disguised channels. 

 

Doctors - increasingly treated as technician employees by big corporate hospitals - will freely admit they have been prohibited from discussing the vaccines and what they might do to you. "Get the jab" is the mantra. Is that the nature of science these days?

I didn't bring it up, was responding to :

 

" FDA, WHO, and manufacturers are pushing the vaccination, not the medical society. "

 

I was responding to the untruth that "the medical society" is not supporting the vaccine.

 

 

 

 

[Scott]

More posts removed.  The thread is NOT about Healthcare workers or professionals.