Anyone else tired of the nonsense, and contemplating leaving Thailand?

[kynikoi]

7 minutes ago, Espanol said:

 

Well, if of any help, my plans now are expending 6 months every year in Spain and 6 months in Thailand.

 

And two weeks in quarantine.

[Espanol]

1 minute ago, kynikoi said:

And two weeks in quarantine.

 

I don't think quarantine will last for ever, but, anyway, 2 weeks of Phuket holidays before continuing travel home is not so bad.

 

I mean, it's not like being jailed in ASQ hotel room in Bangkok for 15 days.

 

[skatewash]

3 minutes ago, driver52 said:

well I wouldn't be that critical with my face on full view lol

North America is amazing it's just a shame about the folks who live there????

If I had family there I'd be tempted to go for a camper van and make the most of the weather by driving to Central America in the winter months......you could even be brave and try some of South America

Good luck whatever you decide!

Hope you weren't planning to drive from Central America to South America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darién_Gap#Pan-American_Highway

You can bypass on a ferry, though.

[kynikoi]

The broke ass 60+ crowd think things gonna be alright. Ignore all, it goes away

 

But covid isn't going anywhere. Best you go home no matter the cost bc they'll let you die here and you'll pay to do it.

 

This covid thing gonna go wide so hope y'all pllan on staying in your bunkers FOREVER. My niece had mRNA vax and she has COVID-19. How you gonna deal??

 

Penny wise pound foolish - with your life

[kynikoi]

10 minutes ago, Espanol said:

 

I don't think quarantine will last for ever, but, anyway, 2 weeks of Phuket holidays before continuing travel home is not so bad.

 

I mean, it's not like being jailed in ASQ hotel room in Bangkok for 15 days.

 

I absolutely think it will last forever! Thailand?? The money!!

 

First, it will be overwhelmed with cases for two years

 

Then it would take three years to pare decisions back.

 

But the mafia is in place. ¥€¢£¢€¥ monnee.

 

Covid tests

Covid vaxx

Quarantine hotels

Paperwork$$

 

Phuket was just a bad wet dream that's gonna get shut down in weeks. Mark my words.

 

Not been here long have you??

Edited July 31, 2021 by kynikoi

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

I still like it here no plans to go.

I am surprised you did not post a thread like this sooner considering your historical posts expressing your disdain and hatred for the place.

You asked so my suggestion is to sell everything and leave as soon as you can.  Why stay in a place with all those negative feelings building up doesn't seem worth it maybe try to find greener pastures.

You are wrong. I love Thailand. I have loved Thailand since my first visit nearly 45 years ago. Do I have complaints? Yes. Do most of us have issues with this place? Yes. I love most Thai people. And relatively speaking, I have a very good life here.

 

And as Rumak artfully states, leaving is alot of work. I am not a kid anymore. I do not hate Thailand. Never have. I love Thailand. As many of my posts indicate, and if you had bothered to read them, you would see I rarely complain about Thai people. 

 

My disdain and hatred and negative feelings are well deserved and they are directed at the heinous army, and the dismally failed leaders. Get it? Are you happy with their performance and the position they have put the Thais and all the rest of us in? 

 

 

[Grecian]

I'm respectfully going to call sublimation. 

My guess is that there is something else that's eating away at the op, that consciously he is unable to accept so instead his negative thoughts are all aimed at a false target.

I have a friend who over 40 years has passionately hated capitalism, the state, the right, the left and now the undeserving poor. Lol. I sometimes feel I should point this out to him!

[spidermike007]

45 minutes ago, desert dueller said:

I am thinking along similar lines. Just sick of the visa uncertainty, the constant rip-off attempts, and the takeover by a country further north. I am an EU citizen so lots of countries to choose from without any visa requirements. 

Yes, you are in a fortunate position. Being an American, not easy to get a visa to live within Europe. Contemplating. 

[kynikoi]

Put simply, staying here is a fool's game. It always was but now with covid it's a very dangerous game. Many of you not thinking through this properly.

 

You will get covid. Do you want to be here and pay for it ( and get sh++y treatment) or at home?

 

Covid is FOREVER and ever. It's going nowhere.

 

Wake up. If you have health issues, old it's not just the flu it's death for you in great likelihood.

Edited July 31, 2021 by kynikoi

[spidermike007]

45 minutes ago, rumak said:

There are many nice places in the US.     IF i was a poor, female, person of color then I definitely might

consider living there.    Heck,  free everything !

Unfortunately i do not qualify 

Yes. And very expensive, otherwise. Housing alone is off the charts. Inflation is currently out of control, though officially it is very low. LOL. And I find the most of the people there  to be fairly joyless, though there are some that are wonderful. Would be one of my last choices. 

[spidermike007]

47 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

This normally pops up in my sign off signature, but today I'll promote it because it seems to me, that it applies in your case @spidermike007. Give it some thought.

 

‘It’s not things that upset us, it’s our judgement of things’
                                                                          Epictetus

Normally I would agree. Perspective is a big one. 

 

However, I know alot of Thais who are really in a world of hurt right now. Alot. And it is not just about Covid. 

[EricTh]

1 hour ago, mfd101 said:

I understand what you say. But for me I could only return to Oz, which doesn't entice me, and there would be problems with b/f and his family here. We tried living in Oz together but it was too hard for him ...

 

So here we stay, fairly insulated in the provinces, leading our chosen lives (but without any travel). My b/f is resisting organizing us to get the jabs, but pressure from me is mounting ...

Oz is a good place, why is it hard for him?

 

 

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Any thoughts? 

My thoughts are everywhere else appears worse.

And if you're just thinking COVID, everywhere else is a LOT worse.

[spidermike007]

48 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Normally I take sanity breaks during the course of the year which makes a big difference to the constant onslaught of stupidity that I see and hear in Thailand. That has been the toughest part of Covid for me personally. For over a year I haven’t set foot outside of Thailand and the frustration builds and builds.

 

I couldn’t leave completely at the moment because I have a 13 year old daughter and I want her to complete her secondary education at her school.  But she wants to go to university in the UK (she has a British passport) and so I already plan to spend at least 4 months a year in Europe. I’ve spent many holidays motor homing in Europe and will just take it to another level and spend a few months doing it. I do other travel and all up I expect I will spend 3/4 months in Thailand at that time.
 

funny thing though, so long as I get regular breaks from Thailand’s stupidity, I enjoy it here when I get back. But then the frustration slowly builds again 5555.

I agree. Good point. I usually spend some time traveling around the US, at least twice a year. And I do miss that. It is a fun place to travel around. See family and friends. Visit the National parks, take some lovely road trips, live jazz, great food and wine, etc.

 

And like you said, always nice to come back here. So, it is possible I am suffering from cabin fever, and the inability to satisfy my gypsy spirit. Will have to bring that up with my shrink. LOL. 

[Antonymous]

There's no point worrying about things that don't impinge directly on your everyday life and/or that you cannot change.

 

What I read in your many long posts is an overwhelming anger tinged with angst, mainly about 'the govt/army'. There are very few of us expats who actually like the govt/army, but most of us manage better than you do to stand above it all and instead to concentrate on the many positives of living in Thailand.

 

You know what the positives are. They are available to you. The problem you face comes from within your mind.

 

My advice: try to chill, meditate, smoke some weed if that helps you to relax. Smell the roses. Stop blaming things outside your influence for the disappointment you feel within.

[canthai55]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I thought that too until recently. Don't know how much longer I care to tolerate their nonsense. 

You will be doing nothing but exchanging the nonsense here for the nonsense elsewhere.

What can you do about politics here ? Nothing

What can you do about the politics there ? Nothing

Like it here - stay here.

Live YOUR life, and let the powers that be live theirs. Have as little to do with it as possible, and tolerate that which you can not escape.

At the end of the day, this is what you will have to do wherever you live.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, Antonymous said:

My advice: try to chill, meditate, smoke some weed if that helps you to relax. Smell the roses. Stop blaming things outside your influence for the disappointment you feel within.

My advice is, smoke more cannabis, drink more beer, and meet the occasional young Thai Friendly women. ................ Oh and play Metallica "Nothing Else Matters" a lot.

[kynikoi]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

My thoughts are everywhere else appears worse.

And if you're just thinking COVID, everywhere else is a LOT worse.

But it's not.

 

Covid in US is relatively under control.

 

US and Eu seeing protests to return to normalcy. That means no masks and business as usual.

 

Thailand won't get relatively vaccinated until June 2022. Then there's Delta, then assuming all is well simply unwinding it all

 

Then there's the shambles of an economy.

[kynikoi]

5 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

There's no point worrying about things that don't impinge directly on your everyday life and/or that you cannot change.

 

What I read in your many long posts is an overwhelming anger tinged with angst, mainly about 'the govt/army'. There are very few of us expats who actually like the govt/army, but most of us manage better than you do to stand above it all and instead to concentrate on the many positives of living in Thailand.

 

You know what the positives are. They are available to you. The problem you face comes from within your mind.

 

My advice: try to chill, meditate, smoke some weed if that helps you to relax. Smell the roses. Stop blaming things outside your influence for the disappointment you feel within.

Remember that from your hospital bed or self imposed home-jail.

 

Get covid - go to hospital-jail.

[Moonlover]

14 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Normally I would agree. Perspective is a big one. 

 

However, I know alot of Thais who are really in a world of hurt right now. Alot. And it is not just about Covid. 

There are a lot of people all around the world who are hurting right now. And their hurt isn't always about Covid either.

[bkkflyer]

We have been planning to take at least a year or 2 in Scandinavia where I am from (idea was first of all to improve our children's Norwegian language proficiency) . Have 2 daughters soon teenagers going to International school here, and its getting expensive - especially basically without any income ????  Also not sure if Thailand is the best place for my daughters to grow up - especially irt working opportunities.

 

It looks like it will be online schooling again for the children - probably until the end of this year. Quite stressful as well - and I think it is unhealthy for children to sit at a computer screen every day from 8am to 3-4pm. Addictive behavior runs in the family ????

 

Overall cost of living is not that much more expensive there, free school, free healthcare, clean environment, very "clean" governments - but taxwise... well.... - but without the fantastic offering of food and services one get used to here in Asia.

 

Mother of my children could get citizenship after 5 or 7 years and even get a pension.

 

I love the European "summer" - from April to September - and have not missed one for the last 50 years (apart from the last 2). But the winters are depressive..... - but the kids love it when we visit - so....

 

Have been here since 97/98 - it was a lot more fun around that time - THAT is for sure ????

 

[kynikoi]

I don't plan on dying of covid either but look at the expat demographics and health and age of many ....

[canthai55]

4 minutes ago, kynikoi said:

Remember that from your hospital bed or self imposed home-jail.

 

Get covid - go to hospital-jail.

You must be the President of the Doom and Gloom World Society.

Get Covid, good chance you will NOT die, as the over whelming percentage of people do not, but anyway ...

Gotta die of something

Most important thing is how you LIVE

 

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, kynikoi said:

I don't plan on dying of covid either but look at the expat demographics and health and age of many ....

Why would either of us care about them?

[mfd101]

18 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Oz is a good place, why is it hard for him?

 

 

Remote from family was the main thing: Large Khmer peasant family here, everything revolves around it.

 

Then there was the language problem (particularly written). He has no education & barely literate in Thai. Result: He operates by the family 'n friends network. Everything is done in consultation with the network. Avoids having to read written texts and to deal with officialdom (whence the difficulty in getting action on vaccination) ... So he loved Oz and NZ but couldn't really live there longterm.

[EricTh]

5 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Remote from family was the main thing: Large Khmer peasant family here, everything revolves around it.

 

Then there was the language problem (particularly written). He has no education & barely literate in Thai. Result: He operates by the family 'n friends network. Everything is done in consultation with the network. Avoids having to read written texts and to deal with officialdom (whence the difficulty in getting action on vaccination) ... So he loved Oz and NZ but couldn't really live there longterm.

 

How do you communicate with him if he doesn't know basic English and even Thai?

 

 

[dan42]

I always say that Covid-19 is like a mirror. It shows every country all its strenghts and weaknessess, it puts them in front of a mirror like in the Snow White tell and shows them their real face.

 

Covid-wise, the situation is bad everywhere, there's almost no place on Earth to escape. In some places you will find death and poverty, in others they control the virus through a police-state...

 

Covid pressures countries so much that it puts them on the edge. I imagine your concern is related also to the political situation in the coming months and years because the pressure on the goverment is expected to increase and nobody knows how this might end up. Doesn't look good to be honest so I get your feeling.

Edited July 31, 2021 by dan42

[jak2002003]

Grass is greener on the other side.  

 

Really, things are frustrating and crazy in most countries around the world right now concerning the covid 19 virus / politics  and restrictions. 

[symiotic]

it sounds like you've outgrown the country... money, image having the most followers on Instagram...  it's gets relatively less fulfilling...  things in Western countries: meaningful discussion, health and longevity, individualism and entrepreneurialism become increasingly of more value.  I'm always reminded of the Thai word for evil 'chûua' is very closely associated with deviate/ divert time from the 'normal' (used in demarcating time temporarily e.g. chûua mohng).

[worgeordie]

This  "Nonsense" as you put it, is going on all around the World,

I don't see one reason why I would want to leave ,this nonsense does

not affect me,  I find it very easy to live here ,then there's the weather,

go back to UK , no way, some people will never find happiness , i have

 

regards worgeordie