1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Seems that the BKK numbers are increasing as well, which is going against what they expected.  This just goes to show you that many folks are continuing on as before with nothing impeding them as they need to work and forage for food daily as they have no safety net.  People isolating at home still must have someone go out to get food for the family, and many times it may be the one, who even though is positive is showing no symptoms.  Thus the spread keeps on and on and on.....I do not have an answer to the way things are playing out because we are damned if we do and damned if we don't put a stricter restriction in place, yet this would cost the government more coin then they want in order to feed those families.  Home isolation of up to 100K which was authorized, and only with medication that will not be available for the masses until October, is going to see this continue upward and Hi-Season and the PM's plan of opening up in October be a tenuous issue.

They just don't have an exit plan from this, and if they do they are keeping it secret.   At least in the UK (before they moved the goalposts) they would say that once the vulnerable were jabbed, then things can get back to normal.   

 

If they don't give people something to aim for, nor give them any indication of what needs to happen for this to end then lockdown fatigue kicks in and rules become meaningless as people work around them as they need to survive, make money, feed families, pay rent somehow and have some semblance of life.

 

So what is the exit strategy?  70% of adults double jabbed?  That's probably a year away and this cannot be sustained that long.   95% of the vulnerable jabbed?  Due to not being given priority early on this would be months away and they would have to live with high case numbers of covid and probably quite a few deaths after this.   Zero covid?  Not realistic and that ship has sailed long ago.    

Marine Department tightens measures at Phuket piers, warns about diving in waters off province

 

The Marine Department has increased screening measures for vehicles entering Phuket via sea channels at all piers in the province in line with measures to prevent imported cases that could affect the sandbox programme. #Phuket #TheNationThailand

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40004225

 

 

20 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

How many more "record daily high" days of everything COVID related is it gonna take before the government figures out what they're currently doing is NOT working???

 

From now on there will always be thousands of cases of COVID-19 reported.

Sadly, it's here to stay

Mass vaccination is the only way out of this now, and even then the cases reported will still be in the thousands.

So far the Thai vaccination program has been an utter disgrace.

Far too many of the vaccines that have been administered so far have gone to people who have been cherry picked or have had strings pulled from them by people of influence.

The elderly and sick are missing out time and time again.

It has proven hands down what a corrupt place this really is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would suggest this is the Govt's "plan" - antibodies for all......

 

"More than 70% of people in eight of India's large states are estimated to have COVID-19 antibodies, a government survey showed on Wednesday, suggesting that a second surge in infections affected many more people than the reported figures."

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-reports-43654-new-covid-19-cases-last-24-hours-2021-07-28/

Dunno what happened, but Thailand today reported a HUGE increase in its population of COVID patients being treated in regular hospitals, as follows:

 

July 28 -- 67,084

July 29 -- 69,152

July 30 -- 74,232

July 31 -- 74,197

Aug. 1 -- 74,102

Aug. 2 -- 75,705

Aug. 3 -- 72,728

Aug. 4 -- 71,946

Aug 5 -- 87,150

 

They must have either made a mistake, or reclassified how they're counting some patients, because the total number of active cases only increased by 2,823 today compared to yesterday.

 

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/

 

 

6 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

 

So what is the exit strategy?  70% of adults double jabbed?  That's probably a year away and this cannot be sustained that long.   95% of the vulnerable jabbed?  Due to not being given priority early on this would be months away and they would have to live with high case numbers of covid and probably quite a few deaths after this.   Zero covid?  Not realistic and that ship has sailed long ago.    

I share everyone's sadness at these numbers that are going nothing but up.

My prediction was a year away at ten million doses administered a month.  That's more like about 8-9 million a month for herd immunity.  In other words, this has only probably just begun.  

Nobody would be happier if I was wrong.  Just wash your hands, clean your phone, wear your mask.  The health care system is starting to fall apart and it's really important not to get sick right now be it COVID, cancer, motorcycle accident, whatever.  

Maybe the numbers will drop like India's did.  No scientific basis for this but hey it's a hope at least.

49 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

All 50 districts in #Bangkok now have a centre for Community Isolation. These are the phone numbers for each district if you have tested positive. People with no or mild symptoms can either do home or community isolation. The hotline is 1330.

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1422952613432025090

 

 

The government is now breaking out the daily numbers of COVID patients in home/community isolation combined. Today's number nationwide was 46,330.

 

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Dunno what happened, but Thailand today reported a HUGE increase in its population of COVID patients being treated in regular hospitals, as follows:

 

July 28 -- 67,084

July 29 -- 69,152

July 30 -- 74,232

July 31 -- 74,197

Aug. 1 -- 74,102

Aug. 2 -- 75,705

Aug. 3 -- 72,728

Aug. 4 -- 71,946

Aug 5 -- 87,150

 

They must have either made a mistake, or reclassified how they're counting some patients, because the total number of active cases only increased by 2,823 today compared to yesterday.

 

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/

 

 

Most interesting especially when taken in conjuction with the massive increase in those released. I have also noticed a change in language (I think). It use to be "recovered" but now it's "released from medical care".

Thailand’s Tourism and Sports Ministry has revealed that international arrivals may be as low as 500,000 this year, as Thailand's third-quarter prospects remain gloomy.

 

Minister Phlipat Ratchakitprakarn said, if the ongoing COVID-19 outbreak continues past September, the number of foreign tourists this year might be 500,000-700,000, which is similar to the forecast from the Bank of Thailand, while the domestic market outlook is difficult to predict.

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10158181629117050

15 minutes ago, Harry Om said:

I would suggest this is the Govt's "plan" - antibodies for all......

 

"More than 70% of people in eight of India's large states are estimated to have COVID-19 antibodies, a government survey showed on Wednesday, suggesting that a second surge in infections affected many more people than the reported figures."

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-reports-43654-new-covid-19-cases-last-24-hours-2021-07-28/

At the same time, unofficial estimates of mortality in India suggest the real number of deaths in the millions.

 

I wonder if Thailand could hide a death toll in the hundreds of thousands that would result from attempting herd immunity via infection.

 

Worse, no one knows how the virus would mutate if allowed to run rampant. There might be a new variant that can re-infect people with antibodies from the Delta variant.

Khon Kaen 4 AUG with still about 75% of the cases in the outer/non-meuang districts where the returnees are mostly going.

 https://www.khonkaenlink.info/read/122199/

''Another record high'' sounds way better than ''Yesterday there were 20.200, today we have 20.920''

At yesterday Thailand made it to number 11 worldwide for new cases.
Still looks like its going to get worse and may be into the top 10, but a long way to go to first place.
Lets hope it peaks soon.
 

This could have been avoided. There are so many things the goons could have done, to prevent this, minimize this, and the least effective way to handle this is the economic shutdown. It is obviously not working.

 

DUH! So, stop inflicting sadism on the masses. Let them get back to work. 

37 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I remember not all that long ago in the scheme of things some on here saying numbers have satalalized at or around 2,000. Then it was 3,000. At the time there were also us 'doomsayers' warning about such optimism. Don't hear from anyone that numbers have stabalized any more. The spread will continue sadly. Some may argue against this and that's up to you but without active not reactive mass testing and 70-80% of adults being vaccinated the spread will continue. Children are now also a point of concern when it comes to transmission.

So far for this wk there have been 77,991 new infections and 673 deaths. 

Many many times I have made the point that accurate numbers are important - yes the government seems to think if they give the real numbers it will make them look bad - they can hardly look any worse

 

If they actually report the full numbers of infection spread in all areas then people might take notice - since I don't believe what I am being told about Pattaya for example having to read between the lines were numbers just don't make any sense - I have assumed the numbers to be 5-10 times greater than those reported - what that then prompted me to do personally is to isolate myself and take precautions based on what I believe, I stated on here over three weeks ago that I was self isolating as much as possible in my room alone and trying to limit contact with other people as much as I can.

 

But not everyone is like me - we see complacency around Pattaya from both Thais and farangs - the attitude is likely to be - well no big numbers here so why be careful which is exactly my point - if they reported more realistic numbers then people might pay attention and realise that the situation is in fact more serious than they are being lead to believe 

 

It is in the public interest to report accurate numbers not try to hide them because of some childish notion it will make them look bad or that it will scuppar their plans for reopening to tourists - the public interest must come first and that starts which honest accurate reporting no matter how bad the numbers are.

 

Didn't proof read this so excuse the errors

Another COVID graphic without the required weblink to the original source has been removed.  If you're going to post such graphics, you are required under forum rules to include a weblink to the source.

 

51 minutes ago, smedly said:

very key point you make - they should be including these numbers even if reported  separately giving a true picture of the numbers which is in the public interest - hiding it isn't

 

I believe these figures are reported.  See the graphic posted earlier in the thread...

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/

 

 

5 minutes ago, drenddy said:

''Another record high'' sounds way better than ''Yesterday there were 20.200, today we have 20.920''

 How does this sound?

 

Daily new COVID cases:

 

July 5 -- 6,166

Aug. 5 -- 20,920

 

or this

 

COVID patients in critical condition

 

July 5 -- 2,199

Aug. 5 -- 4,993

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 How does this sound?

 

Daily new COVID cases:

 

July 5 -- 6,166

Aug. 5 -- 20,920

 

or this

 

COVID patients in critical condition

 

July 5 -- 2,199

Aug. 5 -- 4,993

 Sounds very serious.But there is no need for this end - of - the - world sort of news....

1 minute ago, jojothai said:

At yesterday Thailand made it to number 11 worldwide for new cases.
Still looks like its going to get worse and may be into the top 10, but a long way to go to first place.
Lets hope it peaks soon.

 

Interestingly, Thailand escaped being put on the UK red list, which I am sure is a relief for any actual tourists in Phuket right now who have to return to the UK.   Mexico, Iran and Georgia(?!)  were put on it, and India(?!) is going to be taken off it.  

1 hour ago, darksidedog said:

More miserable news and its tough to see a way out. Last night walking my dog I saw several groups in my village drinking and socialising with no attempt whatsoever at keeping any distance. Group sizes ranged from 4 or 5 up to 11. It really is no wonder its spreading, yet a single foreigner spotted without a mask is headline news. Crazy!

You, you, dirty farang, make sure ur dog wears the mask too na Krav 

8 minutes ago, smedly said:

what that then prompted me to do personally is to isolate myself and take precautions based on what I believe, I stated on here over three weeks ago that I was self isolating as much as possible in my room alone and trying to limit contact with other people as much as I can.

... and that becomes more the easier if other people want to limit their contact with you.

50 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Your view of 100k for the week and over 1k in deaths looks more and more like it will be eclipsed at this rate.

 

????  Right now, in fact, we're looking at over half a million positive test results (and many more actual new cases) every month.  But the goldilocks pollyannas around here will say that everything is just fine and that we should throw away the masks and go hit the bars.

 

46 minutes ago, James105 said:

They just don't have an exit plan from this, and if they do they are keeping it secret.   At least in the UK (before they moved the goalposts) they would say that once the vulnerable were jabbed, then things can get back to normal.   

 

If they don't give people something to aim for, nor give them any indication of what needs to happen for this to end then lockdown fatigue kicks in and rules become meaningless as people work around them as they need to survive, make money, feed families, pay rent somehow and have some semblance of life.

 

So what is the exit strategy?  70% of adults double jabbed?  That's probably a year away and this cannot be sustained that long.   95% of the vulnerable jabbed?  Due to not being given priority early on this would be months away and they would have to live with high case numbers of covid and probably quite a few deaths after this.   Zero covid?  Not realistic and that ship has sailed long ago.    

 

What's your solution?

 

9 minutes ago, James105 said:

Interestingly, Thailand escaped being put on the UK red list, which I am sure is a relief for any actual tourists in Phuket right now who have to return to the UK.   Mexico, Iran and Georgia(?!)  were put on it, and India(?!) is going to be taken off it.  

Yes, see post below. Qatar and UAE will be moved to Amber list on 8th.
So people going to UK will be able to fly through there without needing to go into hotel Quarantine.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1226494-uk-update-for-covid-travel-5th-august-uae-and-qatar-to-move-to-uk-amber-list-on-8th-august-thailand-still-amber/?tab=comments#comment-16714967

 

56 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Interesting to note they are now saying exactly where people are in care:

 

87,150 in hospitals

71,879 in hospitels

46,330 in home/community isolation

8,551 in other locations

#COVID19 #โควิด19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1423098788302839821

 

 

I wonder where the "field hospital" bed numbers are in the above tally? I'm guessing those beds are included in the 71,879 figure.

 

I  don't think they have 71,879 "hospitel" (hotel-hospital) beds alone.

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Macrohistory said:

 

What's your solution?

 

It's difficult. Sometimes it's not a solution but best alternative.

For me, we see the median # of new cases is often ~ 67.

That of course means that half of new cases are 67+.

The focus moving forward should be vaccination of 60+ and of course front line workers.

The Phuket joke is a slap in the face to the rest of Thailand. Just shows lack of understanding.

Recently there seems to be push to vaccinate 60+. Hopefully that can continue.

BTW I'm not suggesting it's a solution however at least it's a strategy.

Naturally we need to buy time with continued lockdown and more importantly control of inter province travel. 

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

On the other hand I was informed by a friend in Lampang that they are starting to vaccinate the resident foreigners living in the Chiang Mai Area and then in the surrounding provincial locations.  He indicated he was told that there will also be plenty of AZ and Sinopharm vaccines as many Thais are rejecting them for a myriad of reasons

I can confirm these observations.  In Chiang Mai one is being offered Sinovac followed by AstraZeneca three weeks later.  Many Thai are rejecting this vaccination plan and are waiting for the "good stuff."

 

From my perspective the current thinking regarding maintenance of the economy by not really locking down is wrong.  The only way for Thailand or any other country to get back to normal is to get rid of this horrible COVID.  This includes the tourism industry, factory work, restaurants, ......   everything.  Why 150,000,000 doses of mRNA vaccine are not already ordered is my central concern.

About a week ago a minister let slip  in a press release daily figures of 30k + might come down in October even though at the time the daily announcements were about 17k.

 

Could well be the actual figures known are already far in excess of 30 k and we are just being fed the increases bad news gradually and if their was nationwide widespread testing I think the horrendous real situation would be apparent to all .......something the Junta tenaciously try to avoid.

33 minutes ago, smedly said:

Many many times I have made the point that accurate numbers are important - yes the government seems to think if they give the real numbers it will make them look bad - they can hardly look any worse

 

If they actually report the full numbers of infection spread in all areas then people might take notice - since I don't believe what I am being told about Pattaya for example having to read between the lines were numbers just don't make any sense - I have assumed the numbers to be 5-10 times greater than those reported - what that then prompted me to do personally is to isolate myself and take precautions based on what I believe, I stated on here over three weeks ago that I was self isolating as much as possible in my room alone and trying to limit contact with other people as much as I can.

 

But not everyone is like me - we see complacency around Pattaya from both Thais and farangs - the attitude is likely to be - well no big numbers here so why be careful which is exactly my point - if they reported more realistic numbers then people might pay attention and realise that the situation is in fact more serious than they are being lead to believe 

 

It is in the public interest to report accurate numbers not try to hide them because of some childish notion it will make them look bad or that it will scuppar their plans for reopening to tourists - the public interest must come first and that starts which honest accurate reporting no matter how bad the numbers are.

 

Didn't proof read this so excuse the errors

What makes you think Pattaya reports are inaccurate.. im about most days seems people are very observant of precautions and daily reporting very informative.