Substandard Oximeters Rampant

[webfact]

 

BANGKOK, Aug 5 (TNA) – Rescue volunteers urged the government to solve the problem of widespread substandard oximeters which they said harmed users.

 

The Thai News Agency learned from rescue volunteers supplying oxygen generators and cylinders to the houses of severe COVID-19 patients that substandard oximeters affected the rescuers’ assessment of patients’ conditions and oxygen assistance for patients in need could be dangerously delayed.

 

Substandard and pirate oximeters were readily available especially through online sales and they showed false readings, the rescuers said.

 

Full story: https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-752570

 

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[ThailandRyan]

Made in China perhaps......just a guess

[BobinBKK]

Made in China and sold on Lazada perhaps?

[Emdog]

My wife got me one (bless her intentions...). Pulse: sure no problem, but no way in heck could it tell blood oxygen saturation levels with simply a red LED.

For giggles, I turn it on and move from finger to finger.... can get readings from 73 (why aren't you dead?) to 99 (tip top shape).

[RotBenz8888]

They can't even make a simple thermometer working here, even at hospitals, 34c 35c, shugg your shoulders, nothing odd at all. And why would anyone need an oximeter at home, if you'll under 70 and asymptomatic, call an ambulance and they'll rush off to get you? But if you are cyanotic and can't breath but have 100%,there's nothing wrong with you, right? Ridiculous. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by RotBenz8888

[BobinBKK]

15 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Made in China perhaps......just a guess

Same same Sinovac and Covid-19...

[gk10012001]

Is there any sort of official approval or review agencies in Thailand similar to UL Underwriter laboratories in the USA, or the FCC or the FTC,or something else for medical devices?  Forgetting the competence for a moment, I am wondering if they have any official doctrines?

[irwinfc]

where can we get quality "standard" ones?

[RubbaJohnny]

Of course when I learned first Aid we learnt to take a pulse.

 

A relevant discussion of apps fitbit and professional mensuration here

 

https://www.consumerreports.org/medical-symptoms/covid-19-pulse-oximeters-oxygen-levels-faq/

[RubbaJohnny]

7 minutes ago, irwinfc said:

where can we get quality "standard" ones?

Masimo is the leading brand of hospital pulse oximeters ¹ because Masimo devices provide accurate measurements when other pulse oximeters fail by using revolutionary Signal Extraction Technology^® (SET^®) .

 

Masimo Personal Home Health Devices

[Chris.B]

33 minutes ago, RubbaJohnny said:

Masimo is the leading brand of hospital pulse oximeters ¹ because Masimo devices provide accurate measurements when other pulse oximeters fail by using revolutionary Signal Extraction Technology^® (SET^®) .

 

Masimo Personal Home Health Devices

19,000 baht on Lazada!

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/masimo-mightysat-i2083462387-s6858620241.html?spm=a2o4m.searchlist.list.1.418513ddqRWkHC&search=1

 

[zoltannyc]

TISI is the national standards organization and has a list of accredited  bodies for certification at https://www.tisi.go.th/onsc-cb-units-branch/en.

Sometimes I see recalls from one or other agencies for unsafe or uncertified products.
 

[djayz]

What a surprise... rolling eyes emoji. 

As long as somebody's making money, who cares? 

[Bangkok Barry]

3 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

They can't even make a simple thermometer working here, even at hospitals, 34c 35c, shugg your shoulders, nothing odd at all. And why would anyone need an oximeter at home, if you'll under 70 and asymptomatic, call an ambulance and they'll rush off to get you? But if you are cyanotic and can't breath but have 100%,there's nothing wrong with you, right? Ridiculous. 

My local hospital has a self-service blood pressure machine that prints out your figures. Last time I used it it gave a much higher reading than usual. Same with my wife, and same with someone who used it after us. When I saw the nurse I asked for the old-fashioned check and indeed it gave a lower reading. My wife told her of the malfunctioning machine but your guess is as good as mine if she took any notice.

[ThailandRyan]

15 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

My local hospital has a self-service blood pressure machine that prints out your figures. Last time I used it it gave a much higher reading than usual. Same with my wife, and same with someone who used it after us. When I saw the nurse I asked for the old-fashioned check and indeed it gave a lower reading. My wife told her of the malfunctioning machine but your guess is as good as mine if she took any notice.

Out of calibration would be my guess, just like scales used to weigh folks.

[pattjock]

"Made in China perhaps......just a guess "

Everything is made in China, even your Iphone

 

"no way in heck could it tell blood oxygen saturation levels with simply a red LED"

 

That's how they work, even in the hospital.

 

I've bought a few from Lazada and they work just fine, 600Baht each.

 

If you are OK they read over 93. If you hold your breath for about 1 minute it will drop down under 90. Hold your breath for two minutes it will drop to 50, take 5 to breaths and it will be back over 90.

 

[RotBenz8888]

35 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

My local hospital has a self-service blood pressure machine that prints out your figures. Last time I used it it gave a much higher reading than usual. Same with my wife, and same with someone who used it after us. When I saw the nurse I asked for the old-fashioned check and indeed it gave a lower reading. My wife told her of the malfunctioning machine but your guess is as good as mine if she took any notice.

That machine has probably been malfunctioning for days.... makes one wonder how many are put on medication unnecessarily, based on result from substandard equipment here... 

[RotBenz8888]

43 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Out of calibration would be my guess, just like scales used to weigh folks.

And that's when you ask yourself, can I trust other things, like my lab report... do they bother to calibrate the lab equipment...? Kind of lose ones trust... 

[Grusa]

I can honestly say I have never seen a rampant oximeter (my spellcheck wants "odometer").

 

Do they breed in captivity?

[Scott Tracy]

'Medical devices in Thailand are regulated by a specialized division in the Thai FDA. Medical devices will require either licensing or registration. The Thai FDA groups medical devices into 3 classes’ sub-categories as follows:...'

 

It depends if the subject oxymeters are approved or not. Should specify a stamp or sticker or statement thereon. Unless forged, as some CE marks are suspected to be.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Scott Tracy

[vinci]

i bought one from shopee pretty accurate, just do the pulse manually test, hold down your pulse and count, normal is 60-100 per minute and compare with the oximeters.

[Scott Tracy]

4 hours ago, Chris.B said:

19,000 baht on Lazada!

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/masimo-mightysat-i2083462387-s6858620241.html?spm=a2o4m.searchlist.list.1.418513ddqRWkHC&search=1

Blimey.  You could buy 32 oximeters on Amazon for this amount of wonga.

Edited August 5, 2021 by Scott Tracy

[Artisi]

5 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

Is there any sort of official approval or review agencies in Thailand similar to UL Underwriter laboratories in the USA, or the FCC or the FTC,or something else for medical devices?  Forgetting the competence for a moment, I am wondering if they have any official doctrines?

Yep, plenty of stickers available, what specification /standard would you like to attach to your substandard equipment. 

[MrJ2U]

Substandard is Thailands "Standard".

 

I avoid buying stuff made in Thailand because its junk.

 

Even Thais know this.

[simon43]

7 hours ago, RubbaJohnny said:

Masimo is the leading brand of hospital pulse oximeters ¹ because Masimo devices provide accurate measurements when other pulse oximeters fail by using revolutionary Signal Extraction Technology^® (SET^®) .

 

Masimo Personal Home Health Devices

Mmm, Signal Extraction Technology, sounds so sexy doesn't it?  That means they extract the signal using technology,,, duh!! ????

[simon43]

5 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

My local hospital has a self-service blood pressure machine that prints out your figures. Last time I used it it gave a much higher reading than usual. Same with my wife, and same with someone who used it after us. When I saw the nurse I asked for the old-fashioned check and indeed it gave a lower reading. My wife told her of the malfunctioning machine but your guess is as good as mine if she took any notice.

That was a speak-your-weight machine.... ????

[Laughing Gravy]

12 hours ago, webfact said:

Rescue volunteers urged the government to solve the problem of widespread substandard oximeters which they said harmed users.

Is anyone really surprised!

[davidill]

22 hours ago, RubbaJohnny said:

Masimo is the leading brand of hospital pulse oximeters ¹ because Masimo devices provide accurate measurements when other pulse oximeters fail by using revolutionary Signal Extraction Technology^® (SET^®) .

 

Masimo Personal Home Health Devices

Masimo is a sophisticated oximeter far more than the average person would need. SET is a new system. As a severe COPD sufferer I have used ChoiceMed oximeters both standard and ones that record and are downloadable to PC. I have been using oximeters for many years and I check them against hospital ones. They are made in China but I have never had a problem.

[Rampant Rabbit]

23 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

Is there any sort of official approval or review agencies in Thailand similar to UL Underwriter laboratories in the USA, or the FCC or the FTC,or something else for medical devices?

Yes  this  is it 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Rampant Rabbit

[trainman34014]

So; the 'Bomb Detectors' manufacturers have found another 'Angle' then !