Poll: Expats -- do you identify as a globalist?

[Jingthing]

Globalism, globalist, and globalization have become hot button weaponized words used by diverse political sides in many countries.

 

But there are more sober not loaded definitions and ways to consider these words.

 

I was thinking about this from an expat perspective. Aren't most all expats globalists to some degree or another? I think that they are. So the question here is IF you're an expat, do you see that connection, and self identify as a globalist or not?

 

This POLL is intended only for expats (or former / future expats) but if you're not that, I can't stop you from voting!

 

Who Is a Globalist? - The Globalist

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Anyone with a curiosity to learn about the world around them — and an ability to keep an open mind and an interest in sorting out the changes being wrought every day — can consider himself or herself a “globalist.”

Globalists are by no means an elite circle of business or political leaders determined to push forward their agenda in a rapid-fire fashion.

What unites globalists is a strong interest in understanding more about the modern global economy, politics and culture — and how these forces relate to each other.

 

 

 

 

[bojo]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Anyone with a curiosity to learn about the world around them — and an ability to keep an open mind and an interest in sorting out the changes being wrought every day — can consider himself or herself a “globalist.”

Globalists are by no means an elite circle of business or political leaders determined to push forward their agenda in a rapid-fire fashion.

What unites globalists is a strong interest in understanding more about the modern global economy, politics and culture — and how these forces relate to each other.

If this is the definition of a globalist, then I am one that's for sure and have been fortunate enough to have travelled and experienced what a globalist might feel like from a tangible perspective..........With that in mind there must be millions who at heart are globalists but don't have the means to actually experience and live as one with their voice, ideas, wisdom and their presence; that indeed is a pity as they will have alot to offer the world,............................................ whereas on the flipside, there is the fish and chip tourist brigade who fly off to the likes of Benidorm and have absolutely no intention of sharing or indulging in what the world has to offer............................There are also expats worldwide who like to live in their bubbles and like to live their lives as they would have at home and have merely moved abroad as they were most likely unhappy with the climate for example..............................................Thankfully for the most part, these are a minority and most expats encourage globalisation by engaging locally which in turn is usually reciprocated and so on................... So expats IMO, they/we are the globalist pioneers...............................................

[Jeffr2]

Wow.  That word really has become politicized by the far right.   Kinda like all the other school grade words they're throwing around. Seems to be a slur against jews also.  Insane.

 

We live in a global society.  So everyone, like it or not, is a globalist.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/the-origins-of-the-globalist-slur/555479/

Despite the seemingly joking use of the term “globalist” by Trump and Mulvaney, many were quick to point to the word’s unseemly past as an anti-Semitic slur, embraced in alt-right circles before spreading into broader political discourse. As the Anti-Defamation League’s Jonathan Greenblatt put it, “Where the term originates from is a reference to Jewish people who are seen as having allegiances not to their countries of origin like the United States, but to some global conspiracy.” Greenblatt said it’s “disturbing” when public officials “literally parrot this term which is rooted in prejudice.”

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/globalist

someone who believes that economic and foreign policy should be planned in an international way, rather than according to what is best for one particular country :

He is a globalist, whereas we are nationalists who will put our country first.

She is critical of the president's globalist foreign policy.

[bojo]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Globalism, globalist, and globalization have become hot button weaponized words

 

5 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Wow.  That word really has become politicized by the far right

Is this an American thing, weapanised words and politicised by the far right?......................... I wasn't aware of this from a European/British perspective......................

[Farmerslife]

I have always regarded myself as an internationalist .............

and very happy about that too.    

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, bojo said:

 

Is this an American thing, weapanised words and politicised by the far right?......................... I wasn't aware of this from a European/British perspective......................

Far right nutters are in all westernized countries.  But yes, super bad in the US right now.  I'm from the US and don't even want to go there for a visit.  Was there this summer and it's bad.

[meechai]

This is like the whacked out emails you see lately where they sign.....Mike....He/Him/His.... Or Mikel She/her......  goodnight..yes normal human here thanks????

 

 

[Peterw42]

Nowadays the term Globalist doesn't mean citizen of the world, broad political, economic, social views etc.

Its a tern used by conspiracy nut jobs, an all encompassing term the includes any/all of their nutjob conspiracies.

Globalist is convenient name to give anyone who questions or disagrees with your conspiracy nut job views, a globalist is by default a child killing, blood drinking pedophile, part of the new world order, pro vacs,  etc etc.

 

Its inventing an evil, a villain, an enemy that doesn't actually exist.

 

its giving the collective evil "they" a name

 

 

[ezzra]

Not sure what a globalist is... I classify myself as a transient person, transferring my self to a places i think i like...

[blackprince]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I was thinking about this from an expat perspective. Aren't most all expats globalists to some degree or another? I think that they are. So the question here is IF you're an expat, do you see that connection, and self identify as a globalist or not?

It's a fair point, but not one that I can entirely agree with. It seems to me that a large number of foreign retirees (not all of them) who spend their time on forums are particularly closed minded and xenophobic. They chose Thailand because they can't afford to retire at home, and they bring their prejudices with them.

 

Having worked in 25+ countries I suppose I must say I am very aware of globalism. In fact as a youth I thought I was a child of the universe, but must admit my horizons have possibly narrowed a little since then - I have no interest in joining Bezos, Branson et al in space tourism.

 

As Jeffr2 noted, globalism and globalisation are terms which have become very politicised, but I'd add not just by the right.

 

Probably the most comprehensive account I've read of this is Joe's Stiglitz's "Globalization and Its Discontents Revisited" . It's only a few pounds (and even less dollars) and is sure to occupy any reader for days if not months!

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Globalization-Its-Discontents-Revisited-Anti-Globalization-ebook/dp/B077MTSYZ9/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=globalization+and+its+discontents&qid=1636761524&qsid=262-2471188-5287718&s=digital-text&sr=1-1&sres=B077MTSYZ9%2CB07QDSGYKD%2CB07NPSQZBT%2CB08ML7T3GB%2CB07Q1WWW8G%2CB00936RTBU%2CB01C544KUO%2CB076B9CPZB%2CB07N4F6RV1%2CB0131SAN0E%2CB08PPBTL5R%2CB0038AUYEG%2CB0131SAN7M%2CB0055RST92%2CB07F36R6J6%2CB08LDJRFJL&srpt=ABIS_BOOK

 

 

 

 

 

[bojo]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

a globalist is by default a child killing, blood drinking pedophile, part of the new world order, pro vacs,  etc etc.

is it too late to retract my claim to being one...............................

[OneMoreFarang]

One of those words...

It's always a question to which degree we are something like a globalist.

But before we think about global aspects how about local aspects? I.e. if we live in the middle of Bangkok do we also think about the outskirts of Bangkok or even up country? Or Cambodia and Laos? All that is much nearer then the rest of the globe?

 

I think Greta Thunberg explains it accurately with: “blah, blah, blah”

[473geo]

Fleeting interest in world affairs, but mostly concentrate on the day to day stuff that directly affects 'my world'

[Time Traveller]

1 hour ago, bojo said:

 

Is this an American thing, weapanised words and politicised by the far right?......................... I wasn't aware of this from a European/British perspective......................

No its not. But America does have a lot of crazy hard left socialist weirdos who like to change the meaning of words to suit their own political agenda.

 

"Globalist" in not some hate word slung at the Jews by right wing extremists.  (it's laughable that someone actually believes that). The word means nothing more than the dictionary definition that Jeffr2 provided. 

Whenever someone uses that term (usually in the political context) it means that they are referring to issues and policies being decided upon by someone far away without consideration for the local people (e.g. European leaders telling African countries what they should and should not do. It's akin to bullying - just what socialists and leftists like to do).  The opposite of Globalism is the concept of "nationalism" or "localism", which refers to policies decided upon by local people within their own district/state/country. 

 

 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Time Traveller said:

No its not. But America does have a lot of crazy hard left socialist weirdos who like to change the meaning of words to suit their own political agenda.

 

"Globalist" in not some hate word slung at the Jews by right wing extremists.  (it's laughable that someone actually believes that). The word means nothing more than the dictionary definition that bojo provided. 

Whenever someone uses that term (usually in the political context) it means that they are referring to issues and policies being decided upon by someone far away without consideration for the local people (e.g. European leaders telling African countries what they should and should not do. It's akin to bullying - just what socialists and leftists like to do).  The opposite of Globalism is the concept of "nationalism" or "localism", which refers to policies decided upon by local people within their own district/state/country. 

 

 

Hard left?  Seems you've drank the Kool-Aid.  Globalist is being used by alt right nutters.  Not socialists.  Jeez.

[Time Traveller]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

was thinking about this from an expat perspective. Aren't most all expats globalists to some degree or another? I think that they are. So the question here is IF you're an expat, do you see that connection, and self identify as a globalist or not?

Hell no.   Every country has the right to make decisions that effect their own people and nations.

In fact, globalism is the height of elitist racism.  Try going and telling the Thai people that should now follow orders given to them by foreign powers even if it affects them negatively. 

 

[cmarshall]

"Globalist" doesn't seem like a useful term to me.  How would a globalist perspective be distinguished from any other?  I suppose someone with a xenophobic, racist, and fascist outlook would hardly qualify, but who goes around congratulating himself on being free from those prejudices?  Are the globalist Westerners living in Thailand distinguishable from the rest by anything other than bar room opinion?

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, Time Traveller said:

Hell no.   Every country has the right to make decisions that effect their own people and nations.

In fact, globalism is the height of elitist racism.  Try going and telling the Thai people that should now follow orders given to them by foreign powers even if it affects them negatively. 

 

I'm guessing you lean to the right...far right....

 

Your description is way off.

[Jeffr2]

11 minutes ago, Time Traveller said:

No its not. But America does have a lot of crazy hard left socialist weirdos who like to change the meaning of words to suit their own political agenda.

 

"Globalist" in not some hate word slung at the Jews by right wing extremists.  (it's laughable that someone actually believes that). The word means nothing more than the dictionary definition that bojo provided. 

Whenever someone uses that term (usually in the political context) it means that they are referring to issues and policies being decided upon by someone far away without consideration for the local people (e.g. European leaders telling African countries what they should and should not do. It's akin to bullying - just what socialists and leftists like to do).  The opposite of Globalism is the concept of "nationalism" or "localism", which refers to policies decided upon by local people within their own district/state/country. 

 

 

Please, read this article.  Please.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/the-origins-of-the-globalist-slur/555479/

[Time Traveller]

5 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Hard left?  Seems you've drank the Kool-Aid.  Globalist is being used by alt right nutters.  Not socialists.  Jeez.

Would you like me to tell you what you can and can not do everyday?  If you answer no, then you are not a globalist either. 

Decisions affecting Thai people, should be made by Thailand. Just as decisions affecting African countries should be made by African countries, or decisions affecting Texans, should be made by Texans.     Only a meglamaniac dictator  would not agree

[bojo]

4 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Are the globalist Westerners living in Thailand distinguishable from the rest by anything other than bar room opinion?

Quite possibly distinguishable by what they do for the community for example.......................

[OneMoreFarang]

12 minutes ago, Time Traveller said:

But America does have a lot of crazy hard left socialist weirdos

Really? Or is that just the view from the crazy hard right - the same people who just know that their hero won the election? It would be funny if it wouldn't be so sad.

[CharlieH]

24 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Fleeting interest in world affairs, but mostly concentrate on the day to day stuff that directly affects 'my world'

 

Yes, this !.......a localist !....thats me ????

[Moonlover]

19 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Fleeting interest in world affairs, but mostly concentrate on the day to day stuff that directly affects 'my world'

Me too. I've even stopped reading all this blah blah about Covid. It's passed our village by twice now and I'm no longer interested.

 

'I get all the news I need on the weather report'. Simon & Garfunkel, 1970.

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Really? Or is that just the view from the crazy hard right - the same people who just know that their hero won the election? It would be funny if it wouldn't be so sad.

The antifa demonstrators seemed plentiful enough in videos to me.

They are the public face of globalism.

 

I have no interest in telling other people what to do or how to live their lives, so NO, I'm not a globalist.

[Time Traveller]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Please, read this article.  Please.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/the-origins-of-the-globalist-slur/555479/

No, because it's a ridiculous fake news website that is trying to change the meaning of a word to make it seem racist and in turn those who use it as racists.  (Presumably Trump, because he has often said his own belief is that he favors policies that benefit Americans before other countries.)    

As said before, the word only refers to an idea on where or how decisions are made. Centralized global decision making  instead of Local based decision making. 

 

It's not a slanderous word toward any group of people. Stop trying to gaslight people.

 

[cmarshall]

8 minutes ago, bojo said:

Quite possibly distinguishable by what they do for the community for example.......................

Given that volunteer labor is against the law for non-Imm O visa holders, what would such service to the community amount to?

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, Time Traveller said:

Would you like me to tell you what you can and can not do everyday?  If you answer no, then you are not a globalist either. 

Decisions affecting Thai people, should be made by Thailand. Just as decisions affecting African countries should be made by African countries, or decisions affecting Texans, should be made by Texans.     Only a meglamaniac dictator  would not agree

Dude.  You're told what can and can't do everyday right now!  Come on.  We're in a global society.  Impossible for anyone to avoid effects from other countries.  Impossible.

[herfiehandbag]

No. I don't "identify" as anything. 

 

I am an Englishman, who happens to have long had a curiosity to learn about the world around me — and (I hope) an ability to keep an open mind and an interest in sorting out the changes being wrought every day.

 

Maybe I should have taken the grumpy old expat option...

[Time Traveller]

7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Really? Or is that just the view from the crazy hard right - the same people who just know that their hero won the election? It would be funny if it wouldn't be so sad.

There must be a lot because it didn't take long for find one example. The 2nd reply essentially said that "Globalism" is a racist term and anyone who uses it is a racist.    So, yeah I'm going to say there's a lot them left wing nuts around