Chinese donate 1.5 mil doses of vaccine to Thailand - PM pledges to work with new ambassador

[ncc1701d]

5 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

From another TV report -

 

"and 1.5 million doses of Sinovac from the Republic of China. "

 

Please tell me that’s true ???? The republic of China is Taiwan, so that would make the mainlanders bristle big time.

[HappyExpat57]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Thai media did not specify what brand it was though previous donations have been Sinovac

Really??? REALLY??? 

Pray tell what OTHER vaccine would they be bestowing on the kingdom?

[Isaan sailor]

The definition of insanity:  doing the same thing, over and over—and expecting different results.

[HappyExpat57]

6 hours ago, bubblegum said:

1.5 mil doses and still cannot go to Switserland

They ain't NEVER gonna live that one down!!!

 

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[HappyExpat57]

5 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

The only reason that the CCP are giving the doses away is because they know that they are not very good.

[I added the emphasis for clarity]

Don't think for a moment there aren't a few backdoor brown envelopes being exchanged.

[paul1804]

They didn't state which vaccine it is because they already said the Chinese vaccines were not good enough and that they would stop using them. Yet here they are accepting more, the lovely ambassador bearing gifts to seal some other deals that will only benefit the CCP and maybe a few Thai politicians!

[PETERTHEEATER]

PM pledges to work with new ambassador

He will move into the CCP Embassy in Bangkok and.....make the tea?

[alyx]

7 hours ago, Willy Wombat said:

2nd rate vaccines donated to a 3rd rate government.

Kindly note that rates have evolved  since

Please reevaluate the ranking of the latter 

[Chad3000]

7 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

The only reason that the CCP are giving the doses away is because they know that they are not very good.

Definitely vaccine for 3rd world

[vandeventer]

9 hours ago, bubblegum said:

1.5 mil doses and still cannot go to Switserland

The end of Sinovac comes very slowly.

[vandeventer]

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Under the age of 60 and healthy most Thais don't have a choice.

It's Sinovac 1st and AZ 2nd..

Or nothing.

I think I would rather have bat pee running threw my veins.

[mtraveler]

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

They have another choice to opt out. Vaccination here not mandated. Again free to choose. 

There is a majority of the population that believe in the benefits of vaccines.  And so, for them, there is no choice, other than taking a vaccine that is clearly inferior.  So, your notion of "free to choose" does not exist in this case, when someone truly wants protection, but has NO CHOICE but to accept the inferior product offered them, with no other option.  

 

If you would like to opt out, please feel free.  But don't foist your position on others who might want a good quality vaccine.  

[Isaan sailor]

Meanwhile, thousands wait patiently for their prepaid (and as of yet undelivered) Moderna.  Only in Thailand…

[ftpjtm]

5 hours ago, placnx said:

With a serious Delta situation in China and insufficient vaccine supply there, why don't they follow the example of India and keep the vaccine for their own people?

Because, as they're proving definitively in China, Sinovac cannot control the Delta variant. 

[jackdd]

5 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Under the age of 60 and healthy most Thais don't have a choice.

It's Sinovac 1st and AZ 2nd..

Or nothing.

That's not correct, here in Chiang Mai it's mostly AZ+Pfizer now.

[MrJ2U]

Ridiculous.

 

After the Anutin fiasco.

 

But its hard to turn down your bosses even if it makes you look like a stupid lacky.

 

[thailand49]

Donation now!  In the beginning the Chinese was selling the junk recently the Thai said no more Sino when the stock runs out what a lame excuse not to use it when so many other Nations were donating other vaccines like the Pfizer, AZ and recently the Moderna. They know the Sino is useless but don't have the balls to tell them.

 

When it comes to the Pfizer and Moderna they can't find the request or have to hold a meeting to discuss it?  But when the Chinese comes calling no miscommunication the PM comes crawling on his  hands and knees? Jump? how high you want? Kiss my ass? both sides O.K. with you? How far you want me to crawl up your ass? or do you want me to bend over again for you?????  You got anymore of those second hand submarines that come with nothing?

Edited November 13, 2021 by thailand49

[bangkokbonecollector]

The CCP can shove it up their backsides and <deleted> off whilst they are at it.

[Soikhaonoiken]

Absolutely disgraceful, Chinese Ambassador bearing gifts,.... Its what we call in the West a Bribe, not a gift, and as previously posted, only the other day the PM said they would no longer use Chinese junk, 

I suppose because there is money involved everything will be OK now.... 

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, jackdd said:

That's not correct, here in Chiang Mai it's mostly AZ+Pfizer now.

Okay, not correct for Chiang Mai, but I returned last Monday to my vaccination centre to have errors on my Mor Prom corrected.
As I sat with the person doing the correction on her mobile I was watching all the paperwork coming in to be sorted out from those having vaccinations in the adjacent room.

S1= Sinovac

AZ 1 & A Z2= Astra 

[Artisi]

21 hours ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

Beware of Chinese bearing gifts.....

It's ok, just mum giving a candy for being a good kid. 

[mtls2005]

Be nice if they also included 1.5 mm boosters of a real vaccine. Or should it be 3.0 mm?

 

 

[NoshowJones]

21 hours ago, HaoleBoy said:

Pinocchio and Anutin at it again ... saying 1 thing then doing another.

Prayuth walking around with his hand out for more more more ...  

 

When do these people have enough?  They've taken so much already during this pandemic and still want more.

That's The Chuckle Brothers for you. ????

[NoshowJones]

21 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Yes, they have a free choice between Sinovac or Sinovac. ????

The UK are now accepting people into the country who are vaccinated with the Chinese vaccines, or have I picked it up wrong?

[NoshowJones]

19 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Funny, the health minister could take all 1.5 million of the chinese gunk himself and he still could not travel where he wants to

I still don't understand why the other Chuckle Brother was allowed to mix with politicians in Glasgow recently.

I even wonder how his English is having being educated at a Military Academy.

[mikebell]

23 hours ago, Willy Wombat said:

2nd rate vaccines donated to a 3rd rate government.

By a 4th rate country which invented/exported the virus in the 1st place.

[NoshowJones]

17 hours ago, paul1804 said:

They didn't state which vaccine it is because they already said the Chinese vaccines were not good enough and that they would stop using them. Yet here they are accepting more, the lovely ambassador bearing gifts to seal some other deals that will only benefit the CCP and maybe a few Thai politicians!

What do you expect from a soldier who openly said there will be no coup?

[NoshowJones]

16 hours ago, alyx said:

Kindly note that rates have evolved  since

Please reevaluate the ranking of the latter 

A Banana Republic.

[placnx]

On 11/13/2021 at 2:48 PM, rwill said:

I had 2 doses of Sinovac.  Last one in July.  I have queued for Moderna at Bangkok hospital.  At my checkup yesterday my doctor told me I should go ahead and get both Moderna vacinations instead of just 1 as a third booster for the Sinovac.  He thinks by now I probably don't have many antibodies left in my body.  So best to just start over again.

 

For those saying Sinovac is worthless it just isn't true.  It is better than nothing.  However I read an article where they were discussing the different vaccines.  They said a good vacinne should give you more antibodies than actually catching the virus.  Sinovac does not do that.  AZ, Pfizer, and Moderna do.

The thing that concerns me about Sinovac is selection pressure. If a lot of people are jabbed with Sinovac, the tendency is for the weaker ones to get infected and for variants to arise in these cases in particular. From there I'm concerned that such a variant would more readily infect others who have been Sinovac-jabbed. This is an issue of public health and stopping the pandemic rather that saving individual lives. On that consideration, Sinovac can work for a while, until a variant seriously overcomes the defense that it can erect. Then a booster of another vaccine, preferably mRNA will be an urgent matter for all those jabbed with Sinovac.

 

Attached is a discussion of selection pressure on SARS2 when confronted by antiviral drugs or vaccines. It came out in December 2020, but it remains relevant and is interesting in the light of the two recent treatments molnupiravir and paxlovid + ritonavir. This article reviews various treatments current last year and something which I had not heard about: low-dose radiation therapy (LDRT). The article is not too technical, although the radiation discussion is more difficult since this comes from the journal Radiation.

Selective Pressure-Free Treatments for COVID-19 02dec20.pdf

Edited November 14, 2021 by placnx
typos

[placnx]

18 hours ago, ftpjtm said:

Because, as they're proving definitively in China, Sinovac cannot control the Delta variant. 

A lot of people have not been vaccinated in China. It is not clear (as usual) how many cases are breakthrough infections.