I  had covid last year and I am not diabetic, not on cancer medication nor several pills for chronic diseases as I live and EAT healthy, have a normal weight, get in the sun, plenty of exercise and do everything to keep my healht in good condition... but I will have to be vaxxed anyway ?  my body  belongs to me only and IF YOU GOT YOUR VAXX you should be safe as long as you believe it is working... look at UK, ISRAEL...

Aseannow reader hints: nobody is coming on holiday to Thailand with the current restrictions. 

How can I prove to be vaccinated if they don't get this stupid app fixed? Even after the last update an alphanumeric passport number cannot be entered when applying for an account. Pathetic!

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Where is the paid for months ago Moderna with no refund my Mrs asks in some ones pocket no doubt

It is here ????

Had first jab on Sunday 

Go for second shot  in December on the 12th 

Wife felt horrible from it on Sunday night now she is fine 

i felt horrible on Monday from it so say today or tomorrow for me should be fine 

 

Thailand is not a leader in this movement.

 

Look at what Singapore is doing and what is starting to happen in Europe.  No poke - No play - You pay

 

Singapore has decided not to subsidise covid related medical treatment for non vaccinated people.

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

it's pure common sense to get vaccinated against Covid19,  only a fool could refute that .....

millions died from Covid19. 

Maybe it's important to look at the details. The vast majority of people who died are older and/or with comorbidities (e.g. obese, diabetic). The risk in kid is close to nil, although they can still get infected and transmit the virus to others. The efficacy of the vaccines is also pretty poor when it comes to protection against Sars-Cov-2 virus, even though they are indeed fairly good against COVID-19 (the disease), at least for the first few months.

Those "vaccines" are not quite as benign as your typical vaccine. I remember when I got the other vaccines, I was not asked to sit 15 to 30 minutes to check for side effect, I was not ask to sign any legal documents before taking the shots.... There are plenty of side effects, for instance my girlfriend has to take two days off after her Astra booster due to headache, arm pain..., and a friend told me she could not possibly reimburse me 500 Baht as she had gotten the vaccine, felt sick, and could not work for a few days, which reminds me I'll have to check on that...

More importantly, a small number of people, usually younger people and athletes suffer from heart attack, other serious conditions, or die a few days after getting the vaccine.  That's an ethical problem, even it's good for statistics... But if one young person dies to save one hundred old people, one has to ask, if that's moral. It's a bit like the story of five people going to the hospital, four are sick and need organ transplants or they will die, while one is healthy. Statistically, it makes sense to kill the healthy person, get his organs, and save four people, but I hope most people will agree it's unethical.

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Effectively you'll be a leper among the healthy.

I'm pro-vaccination and have had both shots of AZ, but they really need to get this sort of garbage statement adjusted to reflect reality. The vaccines help to prevent hospitalisations and deaths but they are not a guarantee, and nor have the manufacturers tried to present them as such, so the Thai authorities should be realistic about matters too. For example, some 60% of hospitalisations in Germany at the moment are people who are fully-vaccinated, so a better way of putting it would be:

 

Effectively you'll be a leper among the healthy and those unfortunates who've been fully-vaccinated but have still fallen seriously ill.

5 hours ago, BadSpottedDog said:

Not a choice for us. 2 of our family cannot have any vaccine for medical reasons. Of course the Thai govt isn't even considering people like us. This sucks.

Are you claiming Thai government doesn't have a policy for medical exemptions? Medical exemption is provided for travellers entering Thailand.

39 minutes ago, hkt83100 said:

How can I prove to be vaccinated if they don't get this stupid app fixed? Even after the last update an alphanumeric passport number cannot be entered when applying for an account. Pathetic!

You mean the mor prom app?

The number you need is not your passport number. Look at your paper vaccine certificate.

There must be a 13 digit number starting with a 6-0000-xxxxxxx

Try this number.

 

Or u mean TP App?

Anti- Vaxxers are not victims, neither will be improperly "discriminated" against. Anti Vaxxers are a law unto themselves and unless medically excluded then they have to accept the consequences as outlined.

 

On Monday of this week, Austria, decided to lockdown (can only go out for special reasons); anti-vaxxers amounting to more than 2 million people.

 

Many clubs (not in Thailand, I agree) won't let you in without a tie - so "discrimination" is quite common for trivial matters, let alone serious ones.

“Effectively you'll be a leper among the healthy.”
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Let’s see who’s still standing a year from now.

Just now, simple1 said:

Are you claiming Thai government doesn't have a policy for medical exemptions? Medical exemption is provided for travellers entering Thailand.

I wish I could find where to get one. I've looked. We're not coming in from overseas. We've been in Thailand for the past 6 years. We need exemptions for some domestic travel and hopefully, international travel soon without ASQ quarantine.

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Effectively you'll be a leper among the healthy

IMO, it is the hierarchy who are the lepers - totally isolated from the general public they are supposed to serve!!!

1 minute ago, BadSpottedDog said:

I wish I could find where to get one. I've looked. We're not coming in from overseas. We've been in Thailand for the past 6 years. We need exemptions for some domestic travel and hopefully, international travel soon without ASQ quarantine.

Can't you get your partner to make some calls or visit the local Amphur for guidance?

12 minutes ago, Guderian said:

I'm pro-vaccination and have had both shots of AZ, but they really need to get this sort of garbage statement adjusted to reflect reality. The vaccines help to prevent hospitalisations and deaths but they are not a guarantee, and nor have the manufacturers tried to present them as such, so the Thai authorities should be realistic about matters too. For example, some 60% of hospitalisations in Germany at the moment are people who are fully-vaccinated, so a better way of putting it would be:

 

Effectively you'll be a leper among the healthy and those unfortunates who've been fully-vaccinated but have still fallen seriously ill.

You'll have to put a a link proving this. I don't believe it's true. From what I saw, 90% of the hospitalisations are from the unvaccinated.

1 minute ago, dave moir said:

Totally agree with you and time will more than likely prove its the vaxed who are  the leapers!????

What?  Ridiculous post.

Just now, simple1 said:

Can't you get your partner to make some calls or visit the local Amphur for guidance?

HAHA. I speak Thai way better than my husband. But yes. We could get a friend to call. It's a small town, and local Amphur is old and mostly in "party mode" ????, but we could have the friend call Amphur from the main town in our district. Good idea. Thanks!

2 hours ago, toolpush said:

That is the 64 million dollar question; If the "vaccines" are effective, why are the un-vaccinated a threat to the vaccinated? If the un-vaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated then that implies that the "vaccines" are ineffective. If the "vaccines" are ineffective, why should the un-vaccinated get vaccinated?

Sounds logical, but doesn't take into account things like mutations, incubation periods, and the like. 

5 hours ago, John Drake said:

Not necessarily a requirement for an extension. But maybe a requirement in order to get into the immigration offices. No green check  on the app means you can't enter immigration buildings.

There's always an agent who will do it for you.....

What about those whose doctor had recommended only Moderna for medical reasons?

The latest UK vaccine surveillance report shows that in all age groups above 40 there have been more deaths and cases in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. On the under 40 range, the results are better for the vaccinated. If someone doesn't want to or can't get vaccinated that's their business, not mine. Restricting the healthy, but unvaccinated isn't going to stop the virus, but it will cause other social problems.

6 hours ago, blackcab said:

 

Like all laws, this one would need enforcing. I really can't see that happening after the first two weeks.

Here in Queensland, Australia same ruling will be implemented in the coming month or so. Authorities will leverage off an existing Covid app that is used to 'check-in' to venues, in other words fully vaxxed merged with the app, the venues have ownership for ensuring check-in compliance. I watched the other day when someone refused to check-in, police were called, still wouldn't comply so was arrested - think the fine is about $1000.00. Businesses are subject to random checks for compliance - fines up to $13,000 for non compliance. How this will work in Thailand obviously an open question due to <deleted> poor enforcement.

4 minutes ago, Guffman said:

The latest UK vaccine surveillance report shows that in all age groups above 40 there have been more deaths and cases in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. <SNIP>

Got a link to the report as claim contrary to other countries reporting.

5 hours ago, John Drake said:

Not necessarily a requirement for an extension. But maybe a requirement in order to get into the immigration offices. No green check  on the app means you can't enter immigration buildings.

So unvaxed will have to stand outside & fold all their docs into paper airplanes? 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1032859/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_45.pdf

 

Table on page 18 for cases and page 20 for deaths

 

14 minutes ago, Guderian said:

I'm pro-vaccination and have had both shots of AZ, but they really need to get this sort of garbage statement adjusted to reflect reality. The vaccines help to prevent hospitalisations and deaths but they are not a guarantee, and nor have the manufacturers tried to present them as such, so the Thai authorities should be realistic about matters too. For example, some 60% of hospitalisations in Germany at the moment are people who are fully-vaccinated, so a better way of putting it would be:

 

Effectively you'll be a leper among the healthy and those unfortunates who've been fully-vaccinated but have still fallen seriously ill.

Ten percent of all intensive care patients are vaccinated in Germany.

https://www.mdr.de/mdr-thueringen/redakteur-corona-impfdurchbrueche-100.html

 

It depends a lot on how many people are vaccinated, and that number has increased significantly.

70% are vaccinated and 10% of this group occupy the intensive care beds.

30% are not vaccinated and occupy 90% of all intensive care beds.

The chance of ending up in an intensive care bed as an unvaccinated person is 5 times higher than that of a vaccinated person. 

 

6 hours ago, johng said:

the unvaccinated are not lepers and just as "healthy" as the " multi jabbers"

Just as healthy, except in the head.

And they should be ostracised.

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

That was on 30 September for the AZ. Frankly, I'm still a little off on days. My physician says it is due to the vaccine.  Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

Also lets not forget that based on what everyone is saying these vaccines wear off after just 6 months.

 

So within a year everyone will need to be vaccinated again or their 'special status' will revert to 'leper' and that's for everyone in the country.

 

My conclusion is that the system will fail as there's no way they're going to be able to vaccinate everyone every 6 months, it simply won't be possible in this country.

 

If they introduce a system like this then it will be cancelled in well under a year.

6 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Kind of sucks for those who've paid for Moderna.

 

 

Jumped the gun didn't they.... but nothing stopped them getting Pfizer for free instead,

6 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Kind of sucks for those who've paid for Moderna.

Friend got first Moderna in private hospital in BK last week. Second next month. Moderna is here & more to follow.