dr dies despite 2 jabs and masks

[3NUMBAS]

Selflessly dedicated' Swindon doctor dies from Covid

A doctor who "selflessly dedicated" himself to treating Covid patients has died of the virus.

Dr Irfan Halim from Swindon's Great Western Hospital was taken ill on 10 September and died on 14 November.

Health officials said they were "devastated" and said the father-of-four was the hospital's third doctor to have died from the virus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-59353697

Edited November 20, 2021 by Scott

[KhunBENQ]

10 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-59353697

 

Something is wrong with my eyesight.

Where is the hint to the 2 jabs?

(I don't say it can't happen)

Or has it been removed in the meantime?

 

There is an article in the Mirror which claims "double jabbed".

If true then other articles are lies by suppressing facts!

Edited November 20, 2021 by KhunBENQ

[300sd]

https://prizebondlives.com/dr-irfan-halim-hero-surgeon-died/

 

Says it here.

[clivebaxter]

why was he a 'hero' ?

[rabas]

14 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

Something is wrong with my eyesight.

Where is the hint to the 2 jabs?

(I don't say it can't happen)

Or has it been removed in the meantime?

 

There is an article in the Mirror which claims "double jabbed".

If true then other articles are lies by suppressing facts!

Oddly, most all links from Duckduck.com state he was double vaccinated including:

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/tragic-surgeon-killed-by-covid-was-fully-vaccinated-but-missed-out-on-booster-by-days/ar-AAQV50n

 

None of these show on my Google search, or they are low priority.

 

SEARCH KEY: Dr Irfan Halim Great Western Hospital +"vaccinated"

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44 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

Something is wrong with my eyesight.

Where is the hint to the 2 jabs?

(I don't say it can't happen)

Or has it been removed in the meantime?

 

There is an article in the Mirror which claims "double jabbed".

If true then other articles are lies by suppressing facts!

There's an article from msn.com that says he had his 2nd vaccination in january and hadn't gotten  booster.

If true, then that article in the Mirror and others like it are lies by suppressing facts!

[Danderman123]

The vaccines are only 90% effective in stopping infection, so sometimes it’s a matter of bad luck.

[AseanLao]

I hope you didn't post this story to demonstrate that "vaccines don't work".

 

Vaccinations make you 11 times less likely to die according to this paper from the British Medical Journal. Not having them is idiotic.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2282

[Scott]

 

Natural immunity is not better at fighting Covid.  The mRNA vaccines are about 5X better at preventing Covid than natural immunity. 

 

Natural immunity is tricky.  When we get any foreign matter like viruses or bacteria, our body has an innate immune response to get rid of it.  The innate immune response, however, is not very specific in being able to target that exact virus, but it kicks in the adaptive immune system that starts manufacturing all kinds of cells to kill it.  Some work well and some don't.  Those that do work get reproduced, but this takes times and during that time some people getting very sick or die. 

 

The natural immunity may target any number of proteins on the virus and some of those might be more able to eventually evade detection.  The vaccines target the protein on the spike that attaches to our cells.  That is sort of like the key to the door. 

 

There is nothing wrong with natural immunity and I suspect that most people who get it have gotten quite lucky and the immune system found the right target.  It's just a little less reliable and predictable than the vaccines.  

 

If you are young and healthy, natural immunity is statistically an option.  If you are older, immunocompromised or have a number of other conditions, it might be extremely risky.  I think the shot is a much better option.

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-do-vaccines-protect-better-than-infection-induced-immunity

[AseanLao]

It's interesting to have non-mainstream views about things, I do myself. But in the case of covid vaccines, promoting the viewpoint that vaccines are dangerous or don't work can actually cost lives.

 

[Scott]

On 11/20/2021 at 11:47 PM, AseanLao said:

 

It's interesting to have non-mainstream views about things, I do myself. But in the case of covid vaccines, promoting the viewpoint that vaccines are dangerous or don't work can actually cost lives.

 

I do believe there is a credible source for this.  I remember reading about it but it was quite some time ago.   Part of the problem is that articles come out rather quickly and a reasonable review isn't done until it's hit all the news sources.  

 

At the time, the problem I saw with the results was that it was really too early to tell.  It takes time to look at all the possible reasons it might indicate something that is not exactly true.   In the case of Israel, a couple of things need to be noted.  First, the groups immunized first were elderly and immunocompromised.  Second, it was noted that a lot of Israelis in the earlier group also did a lot of traveling -- increasing exposure.   This could have contributed to more breakthrough cases.

 

What we do know from the early data from Israel is that immunity wanes and with it breakthrough cases increase.  What we don't know is much about those with natural immunity, who were they, how did they compare to the breakthrough cases on the basis of age, conditions etc.   And we certainly couldn't get a good handle on how long their immunity was lasting at that time.

[Puccini]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

There's an article from msn.com that says he had his 2nd vaccination in january and hadn't gotten  booster.

If true, then that article in the Mirror and others like it are lies by suppressing facts!

What vaccine was available so early that the second shot could be administered in January 2021?

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2 hours ago, Puccini said:

What vaccine was available so early that the second shot could be administered in January 2021?

Covid-19 vaccine: First person receives Pfizer jab in UK

8 December 2020

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55227325

[scubascuba3]

BBC is becoming rubbish these days, never enough detail and tell half a story. Did he have underlying conditions, etc. You'd think you'd have some symptoms before collapsing

[CharlieH]

Off topic removed.

[Danderman123]

Get vaccinated, and don’t rely on a single study.

 

https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/covid-immunity-natural-infection-vaccine

Edited November 24, 2021 by onthedarkside
quote of hidden post removed

[AseanLao]

7 hours ago, Puccini said:

What vaccine was available so early that the second shot could be administered in January 2021?

 

Many UK over 80s, medical professionals and  care home workers got vaccinated Dec 2020, with their second jab 3 weeks later. The rules were changed shortly after to allow for a gap of up to 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd jabs.

 

At the earliest stage, everybody was getting Pfizer, AZ supplies kicked in around January.

[Jingthing]

Yes. 

A small percentage of people that have been double jabbed do die from Covid-19.

That is not news.

All informed people knew that already.

But to highlight one case of that is very misleading.

Are we going to get a new topic for all the people in the world that got double jabbed, were then exposed to the virus, and did not die?

Come on people! 

[Chomper Higgot]

At the start of this pandemic and prior to science providing us with an understanding of how this disease is transmitted and then vaccines to fight its spread, doctors, nurses and medical staff were being killed by the virus in alarming numbers.

 

Dr Li Wenliang who alerted the world of the existence of this disease was himself one of the many medics who it killed.

 

Science based precautionary measures and vaccines have thankfully greatly reduced the risks medical staff face when providing health care to COVID patients, but sadly there are residual risks.

 

That so many doctors, nurses and medical staff are willing to face these risks to provide healthcare to those in need is something we all ought to be very grateful for.

 

RIP and thank you for your service.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

On 11/20/2021 at 8:05 PM, clivebaxter said:

why was he a 'hero' ?

If you need to ask you almost certainly would not understand the explanation.

[AseanLao]

 

It's right there in the opening post of this topic:

 

On 11/20/2021 at 7:38 PM, 3NUMBAS said:

A doctor who "selflessly dedicated" himself to treating Covid patients has died of the virus.

 

[papa al]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

That so many doctors, nurses and medical staff are willing to face these risks to provide healthcare to those in need is something we all ought to be very grateful for.

Ironicallu, in 'merca, many of these same workers

are being fired for non-compliance w/ vaccine mandates.

What do they know that the general public doesn't ?

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, papa al said:

Ironicallu, in 'merca, many of these same workers

are being fired for non-compliance w/ vaccine mandates.

What do they know that the general public doesn't ?

They don’t know anything the general public doesn’t know, they’ve simply swallowed the anti-vaccine propaganda.

 

I wish them the best of luck trying to find meaningful work where they don’t need to be vaccinated.

 

 

 

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, papa al said:

Ironicallu, in 'merca, many of these same workers

are being fired for non-compliance w/ vaccine mandates.

What do they know that the general public doesn't ?

96% of physicians are vaccinated in America. What do they know that you don’t?

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"Kevin McNamara, chief executive of Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, said: "Dr Irfan Halim worked with us as a locum consultant for a year and was an invaluable member of the team looking after patients with Covid.

"He selflessly dedicated himself to caring for his patients when they needed him the most during the pandemic. He will be sorely missed by those who worked with him, and by the whole organisation."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-59353697

[Scott]

Off-topic posts with misleading information have been removed.  

 

[onthedarkside]

Numerous off-topic posts having nothing to do with the OP topic have been removed, including some attempting to promote a drug that has not been approved for use in connection with COVID.

 

The thread topic is -- dr dies despite 2 jabs and masks

 

[Danderman123]

On 11/21/2021 at 3:29 PM, papa al said:

Ironicallu, in 'merca, many of these same workers

are being fired for non-compliance w/ vaccine mandates.

What do they know that the general public doesn't ?

96% of all US physicians are vaccinated. What do they know that you don’t know?

[mommysboy]

What is certain is that all of the big 4 vaccines offer such a high degree of protection from the awful immune over-reaction that is the hallmark of covid19 that the average reasonably healthy person is near guaranteed survival.  The downside is there is a tiny chance you may be one of the very rare unlucky ones who gets killed by the vaccine itself.

 

 

That's the deal, I guess. 

 

 

 

 

[cdemundo]

On 11/20/2021 at 10:06 AM, Puccini said:

What vaccine was available so early that the second shot could be administered in January 2021?

Moderna was available in the US at that time.

I got two Moderna shots in January 2021.