Pattaya to get huge new beachside development

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, RobU said:

Here's a suggestion. maybe the city fathers should concentrate on maintaining and improving the city's infrastructure, that is more likely to bring tourists who want to walk around and look at things and buy from local businesses rather than spend money within a luxury complex that they never leave other than travelling to and from the airport all the money going to the big international businesses who own the complex. Currently Pattaya is a ramshackle badly maintained city that is not family or tourist friendly and is not safe for pedestrians and a self contained development like this will not help the city one iota

"Should" is not a word that applies to Pattaya authorities IMO. Spending money on infrastructure does not bring a return to the usual suspects, which is probably why the only decent infrastructure in Pattaya has been built by private developers.

IMO every project built by the city has been a disaster..

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Leaver said:

Look what's happened to The Avenue. 

I don't think The Avenue can be used as an example of anything except a very bad idea. I was at the opening and it was apparent to me it would fail. IMO only a deluded person would imagine that a non AC mall could succeed in Pattaya.

Yes, the Big C mall was not AC, but that was back when the only alternatives were Royal Garden and Mike's. The Avenue is only a short walk from Royal Garden, so was competing for the same customers.

[morrobay]

6 hours ago, kinyara said:

 

 

I can't visualise in my head what businesses are surrounding it, have you got anything/anywhere specific in mind ?  

Well it's going to be right in the middle between T21 and Central Pattaya beach

[morrobay]

9 hours ago, RobU said:

Here's a suggestion. maybe the city fathers should concentrate on maintaining and improving the city's infrastructure, that is more likely to bring tourists who want to walk around and look at things and buy from local businesses rather than spend money within a luxury complex that they never leave other than travelling to and from the airport all the money going to the big international businesses who own the complex. Currently Pattaya is a ramshackle badly maintained city that is not family or tourist friendly and is not safe for pedestrians and a self contained development like this will not help the city one iota

Absolutely. Foreign visitors here have no place at all to have a relaxing walk along the water front for shopping and dining. Maybe the Thais from Bangkok will enjoy walking around another mall. 

[newnative]

9 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

I worked on the grounds crew at Tysons one summer.  Across the street was a couple hundred acres of nothing.  We rode motorcycles in the abandoned gravel pit there, right where they eventually built Tysons II. We used to drag race on the Dulles access road. I can't even find my way around No VA anymore. But they do dump a bunch of money into infrastructure and Tysons is supposedly the 12th largest employment center in the United States. 

Interesting!  Thanks for sharing and have a great day.

[newnative]

9 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

We will have to agree to disagree on this point.

 

There were threads, with some even posting photos of closed shops inside the mall, back then.  

 

My thoughts back then were if it was not for the telco's and banks, and the shortcut to Beach Road, there was very little pedestrian traffic in Central, pre covid.

 

 

No, but one should not suggest investing in Pattaya is a good idea, because tomorrow 10 new hotels can be built, for example, and one may be in the hotel game.

 

Another example is The Base.  Investors bought a condo there, only to see it become a short stay hotel for Chinese.  Good luck selling for the price you bought in at.  That's how quick an investment can be lost here.    

 

 

There's no need to get personal.  I am a positive person, I just don't see the positives in investing in Pattaya / Thailand.  

 

I find your example somewhat strange.  With the announcement of this new development,  how "positive" do you think the investors of T21 are right now?   Doesn't this development lower the value of T21? 

 

 

So, are you a firm believer in, "build it and the people will come?" 

 

What if everyone builds? 

 

 

Well, I certainly don't fret.  I have nothing here I can't leave behind and go to the airport within hours.  That is by design.  It's an interesting subject, but I have no skin in the game.

 

I see your point.  You re suggesting that this development is basically a tourist attraction, and will attract people into Pattaya.  The thing is, with bars, restaurants, accommodation, retail, nightclub, salons, massage, etc etc all in house, does it not take customers away from Central and T21, and small businesses like massage, for example?  Will tourists even leave this development to step outside into 3rd World infrastructure?  

 

Where we seem to have a communication break down is, you are saying this development is good for Pattaya, and I agree, it is, for all the reasons you say. 

 

Where I disagree is you say this "investment" is good for Pattaya, and I ask, good for who?  Certainly not the investors in Central, T21 etc for example. 

 

Yes, it's new investment in Pattaya, but it means past investors lose out.  Did they make more investment decisions?  Or, are they the victim of overdevelopment and lack of town planning? 

 

Do I care, no, but I simply suggest that there are not enough tourists coming here, and their demographic, to support ALL recent investments here, and they are still building more.  

 

 

 

    Wasn't this your week to be a glass half-full guy?  That big mall I mentioned, Tysons Corner Center?  Not only was it one of the biggest, it also had, when I lived there, one of the top sales per square foot.  But, even that mall had occasional closed stores.  Seeing some closed spaces at T21 or Festival in 2019 does not automatically translate into a mall not doing well.  Some businesses work, some don't--true in every mall anywhere in the World.

      I don't know anybody who lost money at The Base; certainly not original buyers, including me.  The much pricier Edge is opening right next door.  Hipflat has The Base at around 108,000 baht per square meter.  Edge is around 173,000 baht per sq. meter.  You probably see the Edge opening as a negative for The Base--more competition.  If I was still an owner I would see it as a big plus--an affirmation that the location is prime, with the added synergy of another nice project going in, just adding to the desirability.  Some buyers might want to pay 173,000 a sqm for the newer Edge.  But, there will also be other buyers who would rather pay less for the same location and get a bigger condo, to boot.  

     Aquatique, as I said, is mixed-use.  It will certainly have some tourist features--like the zoo and the aquarium, and the hotels.  You seem to think that adding tourist features in a location will be a negative for someone operating a tourist spot nearby.  In reality, that's not usually how it works.  Instead, synergy, which I just mentioned, happens.  Did Disney World fold when Universal Studios came to Orlando?  No.  Also no when many other tourist attractions opened.  Every new attraction just made Orlando an even more desirable tourist destination, drawing more visitors.  Likely Aquatique will be the same for Pattaya.  That same synergy is on display in the T21 area, by the way.  

     

[redwood1]

41 minutes ago, newnative said:

    Wasn't this your week to be a glass half-full guy?  That big mall I mentioned, Tysons Corner Center?  Not only was it one of the biggest, it also had, when I lived there, one of the top sales per square foot.  But, even that mall had occasional closed stores.  Seeing some closed spaces at T21 or Festival in 2019 does not automatically translate into a mall not doing well.  Some businesses work, some don't--true in every mall anywhere in the World.

      I don't know anybody who lost money at The Base; certainly not original buyers, including me.  The much pricier Edge is opening right next door.  Hipflat has The Base at around 108,000 baht per square meter.  Edge is around 173,000 baht per sq. meter.  You probably see the Edge opening as a negative for The Base--more competition.  If I was still an owner I would see it as a big plus--an affirmation that the location is prime, with the added synergy of another nice project going in, just adding to the desirability.  Some buyers might want to pay 173,000 a sqm for the newer Edge.  But, there will also be other buyers who would rather pay less for the same location and get a bigger condo, to boot.  

     Aquatique, as I said, is mixed-use.  It will certainly have some tourist features--like the zoo and the aquarium, and the hotels.  You seem to think that adding tourist features in a location will be a negative for someone operating a tourist spot nearby.  In reality, that's not usually how it works.  Instead, synergy, which I just mentioned, happens.  Did Disney World fold when Universal Studios came to Orlando?  No.  Also no when many other tourist attractions opened.  Every new attraction just made Orlando an even more desirable tourist destination, drawing more visitors.  Likely Aquatique will be the same for Pattaya.  That same synergy is on display in the T21 area, by the way.  

     

Yea well,this project is not the Pattaya I signed up for....I want to see lots of cheap beer bars, lots of cheap street food, I want to see bars open 24/7, lots of pig roasts with balloons in bars, lots of girls hanging out on beach road....

 

A development like this will bring the wrong kind of people to Pattaya....Families with kids is not what pattaya needs....Pattaya needs more girls from Issan and more expat retirees to be great again.... 

Edited November 29, 2021 by redwood1

[khunPer]

12 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

That's what Koh Chang sort of looked like... before greed destroyed it.

The image is contemporary from Koh Samui that some says long has been destroyed by greed - things might depend of from which angle you look at it...

[kinyara]

20 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

Yea well,this project is not the Pattaya I signed up for....I want to see lots of cheap beer bars, lots of cheap street food, I want to see bars open 24/7, lots of pig roasts with balloons in bars, lots of girls hanging out on beach road....

 

A development like this will bring the wrong kind of people to Pattaya....Families with kids is not what pattaya needs....Pattaya needs more girls from Issan and more expat retirees to be great again.... 

What you signed up for does and will still exist in the future,  just removed from prime site locations where they don't make economic sense..

[LennyW]

5 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Yea well,this project is not the Pattaya I signed up for....I want to see lots of cheap beer bars, lots of cheap street food, I want to see bars open 24/7, lots of pig roasts with balloons in bars, lots of girls hanging out on beach road....

 

A development like this will bring the wrong kind of people to Pattaya....Families with kids is not what pattaya needs....Pattaya needs more girls from Issan and more expat retirees to be great again.... 

You are 25 years late!

[Deserted]

Not sure if I understand this post. Has the project been given the green light and is going ahead or is it awaiting approval?

[jacko45k]

10 hours ago, Deserted said:

Not sure if I understand this post. Has the project been given the green light and is going ahead or is it awaiting approval?

Just testing the waters...... we get a lot of this gumph.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, newnative said:

    Wasn't this your week to be a glass half-full guy?  That big mall I mentioned, Tysons Corner Center?  Not only was it one of the biggest, it also had, when I lived there, one of the top sales per square foot.  But, even that mall had occasional closed stores.  Seeing some closed spaces at T21 or Festival in 2019 does not automatically translate into a mall not doing well.  Some businesses work, some don't--true in every mall anywhere in the World.

      I don't know anybody who lost money at The Base; certainly not original buyers, including me.  The much pricier Edge is opening right next door.  Hipflat has The Base at around 108,000 baht per square meter.  Edge is around 173,000 baht per sq. meter.  You probably see the Edge opening as a negative for The Base--more competition.  If I was still an owner I would see it as a big plus--an affirmation that the location is prime, with the added synergy of another nice project going in, just adding to the desirability.  Some buyers might want to pay 173,000 a sqm for the newer Edge.  But, there will also be other buyers who would rather pay less for the same location and get a bigger condo, to boot.  

     Aquatique, as I said, is mixed-use.  It will certainly have some tourist features--like the zoo and the aquarium, and the hotels.  You seem to think that adding tourist features in a location will be a negative for someone operating a tourist spot nearby.  In reality, that's not usually how it works.  Instead, synergy, which I just mentioned, happens.  Did Disney World fold when Universal Studios came to Orlando?  No.  Also no when many other tourist attractions opened.  Every new attraction just made Orlando an even more desirable tourist destination, drawing more visitors.  Likely Aquatique will be the same for Pattaya.  That same synergy is on display in the T21 area, by the way.  

     

Given the number of new malls all competing for customers they are all anticipating an influx of tourists willing to spend time in their buildings. Perhaps they know something the rest of us don't, but I fail to see what is attractive about Pattaya to bring in that sort of crowd. Pattaya is IMO a dump, no matter how much lipstick they keep putting on the pig, and city hall has demonstrated many times that they are IMO too <deleted>, too incompetent, too greedy to improve the city to a standard that actual rich people would even consider visiting.

 

So far Pattaya has resisted any attempt to become a world class city, and IMO will continue to do so.

I for one will be happy indeed if it continues to frustrate the greedies and their dreams of riches turn to ashes in their mouths as their nasty monuments to greed turn into Avenue clones.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Deserted said:

Not sure if I understand this post. Has the project been given the green light and is going ahead or is it awaiting approval?

There is a lot of money to be made by the usual suspects even if a single sod is never turned. Add it to the basket with the monorail in it.

[newnative]

48 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given the number of new malls all competing for customers they are all anticipating an influx of tourists willing to spend time in their buildings. Perhaps they know something the rest of us don't, but I fail to see what is attractive about Pattaya to bring in that sort of crowd. Pattaya is IMO a dump, no matter how much lipstick they keep putting on the pig, and city hall has demonstrated many times that they are IMO too <deleted>, too incompetent, too greedy to improve the city to a standard that actual rich people would even consider visiting.

 

So far Pattaya has resisted any attempt to become a world class city, and IMO will continue to do so.

I for one will be happy indeed if it continues to frustrate the greedies and their dreams of riches turn to ashes in their mouths as their nasty monuments to greed turn into Avenue clones.

 

      Poor Pattaya.  It has Leaver saying don't build anything new and nice that might attract more visitors because older projects already here like Avenue might suffer.  (Hello, Orlando.  Hello, Las Vegas.)  Now we have you saying that 'you fail to see what is attractive about Pattaya',  it's a 'dump',  so don't build anything new and nice that might attract more people.  (And, perhaps, make Pattaya more attractive.)   Luckily for Pattaya it seems to have attracted a number of companies focused on what Pattaya can become rather than what it was.   If last weekend was any indicator, their efforts are starting to pay off.  

[RafPinto]

On 11/26/2021 at 5:40 PM, HappyExpat57 said:

Anyone who knows anything about Pattaya waters understands what utter nonsense this is. The WORST kind of misleading advertisement.

That's a new species, called "feces eaters".

[redwood1]

56 minutes ago, newnative said:

      Poor Pattaya.  It has Leaver saying don't build anything new and nice that might attract more visitors because older projects already here like Avenue might suffer.  (Hello, Orlando.  Hello, Las Vegas.)  Now we have you saying that 'you fail to see what is attractive about Pattaya',  it's a 'dump',  so don't build anything new and nice that might attract more people.  (And, perhaps, make Pattaya more attractive.)   Luckily for Pattaya it seems to have attracted a number of companies focused on what Pattaya can become rather than what it was.   If last weekend was any indicator, their efforts are starting to pay off.  

So does Pattaya plan to have fireworks every night...lol....

 

The Pattaya Mail as reported over and over 10-20% weekday hotel occupancy ever since covid....

 

They can keep building new hotels and Malls forever, but they will be morgues, unless...

 

Thailand scraps all, and I do mean all entry requirements for tourist....

 

Or they go the casino route AKA Sihanoukville part 2, and at least scrap all entry requirements for the Chinese....

 

There are no other choices......

 

Hey if they want to keep on building ghost malls and ghost hotels, it's fine by me..whatever....

Edited November 30, 2021 by redwood1

[jacko45k]

Heard a rumour Disneyland was a possibility South of town.... near where the new motorway extension is. 

[champers]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Heard a rumour Disneyland was a possibility South of town.... near where the new motorway extension is. 

Mickey Mouse outfit.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/30/2021 at 2:55 PM, newnative said:

      Poor Pattaya.  It has Leaver saying don't build anything new and nice that might attract more visitors because older projects already here like Avenue might suffer.  (Hello, Orlando.  Hello, Las Vegas.)  Now we have you saying that 'you fail to see what is attractive about Pattaya',  it's a 'dump',  so don't build anything new and nice that might attract more people.  (And, perhaps, make Pattaya more attractive.)   Luckily for Pattaya it seems to have attracted a number of companies focused on what Pattaya can become rather than what it was.   If last weekend was any indicator, their efforts are starting to pay off.  

IMO the greedies can <deleted> off and build their monuments to greed somewhere else, like the undeveloped coastline south of Chumphon.

They are only seeking to exploit Pattaya's established reputation, and destroy the exact thing that created that reputation, just like the greedies destroyed everything beautiful about Thailand's beaches to get rich.

They can ruin any number of Thailand's other towns and no one would care ( Hua Hin was ruined when they allowed that ghastly monstrocity to be built in the town center, so they could build whatever they like there and it wouldn't ruin it any more )  , but Pattaya was unique, probably in the world, till IMO the greedy and the corrupt sought to exploit it for personal gain.

 

Too many that want to change Pattaya to something they like, instead of going somewhere else that fits their druthers. Just pure laziness, IMO.

[newnative]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the greedies can <deleted> off and build their monuments to greed somewhere else, like the undeveloped coastline south of Chumphon.

They are only seeking to exploit Pattaya's established reputation, and destroy the exact thing that created that reputation, just like the greedies destroyed everything beautiful about Thailand's beaches to get rich.

They can ruin any number of Thailand's other towns and no one would care ( Hua Hin was ruined when they allowed that ghastly monstrocity to be built in the town center, so they could build whatever they like there and it wouldn't ruin it any more )  , but Pattaya was unique, probably in the world, till IMO the greedy and the corrupt sought to exploit it for personal gain.

 

Too many that want to change Pattaya to something they like, instead of going somewhere else that fits their druthers. Just pure laziness, IMO.

    Keep tilting at those windmills.  Meanwhile, I think most of us here, and most visitors, appreciate the new things that have been built--the malls, the restaurants, the hotels, the hospitals, the many housing choices, the beach expansion, the recreation, including golf courses, bike trails, and several new water parks, the new attractions, and so on. 

[redwood1]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the greedies can <deleted> off and build their monuments to greed somewhere else, like the undeveloped coastline south of Chumphon.

They are only seeking to exploit Pattaya's established reputation, and destroy the exact thing that created that reputation, just like the greedies destroyed everything beautiful about Thailand's beaches to get rich.

They can ruin any number of Thailand's other towns and no one would care ( Hua Hin was ruined when they allowed that ghastly monstrocity to be built in the town center, so they could build whatever they like there and it wouldn't ruin it any more )  , but Pattaya was unique, probably in the world, till IMO the greedy and the corrupt sought to exploit it for personal gain.

 

Too many that want to change Pattaya to something they like, instead of going somewhere else that fits their druthers. Just pure laziness, IMO.

 

They are only seeking to exploit Pattaya's established reputation, and destroy the exact thing that created that reputation,

 

 

 

Pattaya is just another domino to fall in worldwide gentrification (sterilization of culture now) its happening everywhere.......Pattaya has been a real problem for them because its not easily gentrified....There are no forest to cut down, old beautiful buildings to tear down, no city squares to build malls on etc.......

 

If you doubt what I say think how many times you have heard they want to turn Pattaya into a family resort?.....to many to count......

 

Hell there are loads of other beach towns to build family resorts....Better beaches,cheaper land, etc .....

 

But like you said the goal is the destruction of the very thing that made Pattaya a success in the first place, the night life...

 

Guys can take the blue pill and say covid is causing Pattaya demise...

But I have taken the red pill and I see covid just being used to speed-up the destruction of Pattaya that has been long planned......

 

And if Pattaya needs a Huge Monsterous new mall built to help speed the process along they will build it..... 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2021 by redwood1

[newnative]

2 hours ago, redwood1 said:

 

They are only seeking to exploit Pattaya's established reputation, and destroy the exact thing that created that reputation,

 

 

 

Pattaya is just another domino to fall in worldwide gentrification (sterilization of culture now) its happening everywhere.......Pattaya has been a real problem for them because its not easily gentrified....There are no forest to cut down, old beautiful buildings to tear down, no city squares to build malls on etc.......

 

If you doubt what I say think how many times you have heard they want to turn Pattaya into a family resort?.....to many to count......

 

Hell there are loads of other beach towns to build family resorts....Better beaches,cheaper land, etc .....

 

But like you said the goal is the destruction of the very thing that made Pattaya a success in the first place, the night life...

 

Guys can take the blue pill and say covid is causing Pattaya demise...

But I have taken the red pill and I see covid just being used to speed-up the destruction of Pattaya that has been long planned......

 

And if Pattaya needs a Huge Monsterous new mall built to help speed the process along they will build it..... 

 

 

   It might be helpful if we all at least understand what we are talking about.  Aquatique is not just another, in your words, '...Huge Monsterous new mall...'.  It is proposed as a mixed-use development that will include:

     Marriott Marquis Hotel

     JW Marriott Hotel

     Autograph Collection Hotel

     Kimpton Boutique Hotel

     Vignette Collection Hotel (redone and rebranded Grand Sole Hotel)

     Legoland

     Aquarium

     Large convention center

     Residential

     Amusement park

     Wellness and health center

     Shopping center

 

      As you can see from the list, there is a shopping component but also a lot more than that.  The developer is Asset World Corporation, the property component of Chang Beverage, so likely well-financed.  It looks like four different tracts of land are involved, two on the beach side of Second Road, the Grand Sole tract, and a tract of land just to the north of Grand Sole.   Various components of the project probably will be done in phases over a number of years and could be changed along the way.  

     

  

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, newnative said:

   It might be helpful if we all at least understand what we are talking about.  Aquatique is not just another, in your words, '...Huge Monsterous new mall...'.  It is proposed as a mixed-use development that will include:

     Marriott Marquis Hotel

     JW Marriott Hotel

     Autograph Collection Hotel

     Kimpton Boutique Hotel

     Vignette Collection Hotel (redone and rebranded Grand Sole Hotel)

     Legoland

     Aquarium

     Large convention center

     Residential

     Amusement park

     Wellness and health center

     Shopping center

 

      As you can see from the list, there is a shopping component but also a lot more than that.  The developer is Asset World Corporation, the property component of Chang Beverage, so likely well-financed.  It looks like four different tracts of land are involved, two on the beach side of Second Road, the Grand Sole tract, and a tract of land just to the north of Grand Sole.   Various components of the project probably will be done in phases over a number of years and could be changed along the way.  

     

  

Woopee doo.

Sooooo, Pattaya didn't have any hotels, amusement parks, golf courses, convention centers etc  etc etc before this monstrocity was proposed?

 

BTW, if this thing does attract many more people, what do you imagine is going to happen on the roads, which can't be widened and are already jammed ( before covid )?

 

I actually don't care if they build the thing, but why in THAT location. Why not along the coast towards Rayong where it wouldn't be blocking the roads for years with trucks while being constructed? I know why and IMO it isn't a responsible reason- just greed.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, newnative said:

    Keep tilting at those windmills.  Meanwhile, I think most of us here, and most visitors, appreciate the new things that have been built--the malls, the restaurants, the hotels, the hospitals, the many housing choices, the beach expansion, the recreation, including golf courses, bike trails, and several new water parks, the new attractions, and so on. 

No reason those things can't be built further along the coast where they are not changing the character of the city, but no doubt that is the reason for building the thing there- to destroy Pattaya of old.

I hope it fails and becomes another ghost building. I also hope the developers go broke.

[morrobay]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Woopee doo.

Sooooo, Pattaya didn't have any hotels, amusement parks, golf courses, convention centers etc  etc etc before this monstrocity was proposed?

 

BTW, if this thing does attract many more people, what do you imagine is going to happen on the roads, which can't be widened and are already jammed ( before covid )?

 

 

Just another place where the Thais from Bangkok can spend another 2 hours in the que traffic. Are foreign visitors going to say: oh boy a super dooper mall let's go half way around the world. And the visitors here puting up with the sorry years of construction environment will be lost for good. Same as the lost  Europeans who used to visit in the mini summer July  & August high season along the beach. A beach with pleasant promenade and cafes on beach Rd. But endless bs construction projects as well as pizza, mac's, fried chicken lost that demographic. All these developers coming in riding piggy back on the Pattaya scene are in for a fall. Don't forget synergy can also be negative: 1+1+1+1+1 = 3 

[kinyara]

Timescale wise can anyone remember how long Central and Terminal 21 took to build from start to finish ? 

[newnative]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Woopee doo.

Sooooo, Pattaya didn't have any hotels, amusement parks, golf courses, convention centers etc  etc etc before this monstrocity was proposed?

 

BTW, if this thing does attract many more people, what do you imagine is going to happen on the roads, which can't be widened and are already jammed ( before covid )?

 

I actually don't care if they build the thing, but why in THAT location. Why not along the coast towards Rayong where it wouldn't be blocking the roads for years with trucks while being constructed? I know why and IMO it isn't a responsible reason- just greed.

       To answer your previous post and this one, '...why in THAT location'...?   One word.  Synergy.  Every nice, new project that is built in that area makes that area more desirable.  Which makes other nice, new projects want to be there, too.  Which, in turn, makes it even more desirable.  Rinse and repeat. 

       The most desirable part of Pattaya runs from Central Festival in the south to Grand Centre Point 2 going up in the north.  Aquatique will sit in a prime spot about smack dab in the middle.  Right where they want to be and not out somewhere in the boonies--especially with the convention center component.  

[morrobay]

That will work if and only if there is a proportional increase in visitors for the increasing slices of the pie. Other wise it will be less revenue for all 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, newnative said:

       To answer your previous post and this one, '...why in THAT location'...?   One word.  Synergy.  Every nice, new project that is built in that area makes that area more desirable.  Which makes other nice, new projects want to be there, too.  Which, in turn, makes it even more desirable.  Rinse and repeat. 

       The most desirable part of Pattaya runs from Central Festival in the south to Grand Centre Point 2 going up in the north.  Aquatique will sit in a prime spot about smack dab in the middle.  Right where they want to be and not out somewhere in the boonies--especially with the convention center component.  

Enjoy the traffic jams then. Perhaps they'll revive the monorail 5555555555555555555555555