AwwYesNice1 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 At that deep water port the US Navy built back during the Vietnam war era, along with the full military airbase and Navy Hospital the US left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Cipher Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 15 minutes, give or take. 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 The larger question is how would Thailand react if an actual military conflict develops between China and the US over a flashpoint like Taiwan. Also impact on western expats especially Americans. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HAPPYNUFF Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 Not so very long ago, three Chinese national warships sailed, unannounced , into Sydney Harbour (thats in Australia for the geography challenged... ) Australian armed forces promptly responded by launching a wooden dinghy, armed with very large sticks and some stones,, to check on them.............Though I love my country I despair at the governments feeble efforst to protect the country. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jingthing said: The larger question is how would Thailand react if an actual military conflict develops between China and the US over a flashpoint like Taiwan. Also impact on western expats especially Americans. Detention camps, just like the Americans did to the Japanese in 1942. Kidding apart, the Chinese is setting up a major naval base in Cambodia, do they have a need for Sattathip? 5 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olmate Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, HAPPYNUFF said: Not so very long ago, three Chinese national warships sailed, unannounced , into Sydney Harbour (thats in Australia for the geography challenged... ) Australian armed forces promptly responded by launching a wooden dinghy, armed with very large sticks and some stones,, to check on them.............Though I love my country I despair at the governments feeble efforst to protect the country. Well more recently they rented the Port of Darwin to them.....no need for warships!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Denim Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jingthing said: The larger question is how would Thailand react if an actual military conflict develops between China and the US over a flashpoint like Taiwan. Also impact on western expats especially Americans. Probably do what it did during WWII. Sit on the fence as long as possible . The current government already has leanings towards China ( birds of a feather flock together , as do military dominated governments ) but remembering that they backed the wrong horse back in the 40's they would probably wish to avoid being seen getting into Chinas bed and opening their legs again. Instead, they would just acquiesce to any ' requests ' from China and dress it up as a an equal partnership amongst friendly trading partners for the mutual benefit of both. 8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, HAPPYNUFF said: Not so very long ago, three Chinese national warships sailed, unannounced , into Sydney Harbour (thats in Australia for the geography challenged... ) Australian armed forces promptly responded by launching a wooden dinghy, armed with very large sticks and some stones,, to check on them.............Though I love my country I despair at the governments feeble efforst to protect the country. Pity New Zealand won't let anyone use the haka. That would have put the wind up those pesky Chinese for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Denim said: Probably do what it did during WWII. Sit on the fence as long as possible . The current government already has leanings towards China ( birds of a feather flock together , as do military dominated governments ) but remembering that they backed the wrong horse back in the 40's they would probably wish to avoid being seen getting into Chinas bed and opening their legs again. Instead, they would just acquiesce to any ' requests ' from China and dress it up as a an equal partnership amongst friendly trading partners for the mutual benefit of both. If the conflict involved the Phillipines or Vietnam those are Asean like Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HAPPYNUFF Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 Your right, Olmate. But it wasnt the Federal Government that gave a 99 year lease to the Chinese Government for Darwin Harbour,, it was the Northern Territory local (State Government) that did the dirty deal, it being so far leaning to the political left it walks around in ever decreasing circles. The Federal Government is now taking legal steps to cancel this deal, just as they did against the Victorian, also Labor led, governent multi million dollar contracts (handouts) 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) Depend on how horny them sailors are... Edited November 27, 2021 by ezzra 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mokwit Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Detention camps, just like the Americans did to the Japanese in 1942. Kidding apart, the Chinese is setting up a major naval base in Cambodia, do they have a need for Sattathip? They need the Khra Canal so that they can get access to the Indian Ocean without going through the Straits of Malacca. Interest in the canal was revived by this Govt, but that is just coincidence. A Thai friend tells me Singapore bought Thaksin's telecom company off him as payment for NOT building the canal. I don't go that far - Temasak was prioritising telco investments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearbox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, HAPPYNUFF said: Not so very long ago, three Chinese national warships sailed, unannounced , into Sydney Harbour (thats in Australia for the geography challenged... ) Australian armed forces promptly responded by launching a wooden dinghy, armed with very large sticks and some stones,, to check on them.............Though I love my country I despair at the governments feeble efforst to protect the country. Well..if the federal government forgets to make announcement they will arrive "unannounced" ???? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-03/chinese-warships-enter-sydney-harbour-south-china-sea-claims/11172578 "Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the arrival of the warships in Sydney had been planned for some time." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Denim Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: If the conflict involved the Phillipines or Vietnam those are Asean like Thailand. Yup. My old Chinese boss told me how the Chinese like to go about getting what they want. Rather than grab the bull by the horns and go for direct confrontation , they will try to cut one leg of the chair at a time and hope it collapses on its own. Right now China is doing a lot of sabre rattling trying to scare of any potential allies Taiwan has in the hope that they will cower at the threat of war and let China take over Taiwan without interference ( as happened to Czechoslovakia ) If this does not happen then China will not invade. Having the biggest army or biggest population won't count for a hill of beans in reality. The Chinese people and the Chinese army have to eat. An attack on Taiwan would trigger such blanket sanctions in trading that the Chinese economy would collapse and people would start to starve. As unlikely as it may seem , they will get their ass handed to them on a plate. IMO 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 Should we prefer American warships? I have to admit I didn't follow every war on this earth in the last centuries. But it seems to me the Americans invaded more countries then the Chinese - obviously officially only to bring them democracy. 3 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 33 minutes ago, Jingthing said: The larger question is how would Thailand react if an actual military conflict develops between China and the US over a flashpoint like Taiwan. Also impact on western expats especially Americans. They will detain you and use you to dig the Kra Canal. It will great movie material for future generations and don't worry, you will have no problem losing weight during your time in captivity. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearbox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, Olmate said: Well more recently they rented the Port of Darwin to them.....no need for warships!!!! It is a commercial port and that was commercial transaction...I guess nobody else was willing to pay but the Chinese. The real fun would be further along the road if the Chinese try to implement the level of automation currently seen at the Chinese ports and try to get rid of the massively overpaid bogans employed there. Would keep the newspapers busy for a while. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearbox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Should we prefer American warships? I have to admit I didn't follow every war on this earth in the last centuries. But it seems to me the Americans invaded more countries then the Chinese - obviously officially only to bring them democracy. Why should any foreign warship dock in a country which used to take 40 million tourist per year? This wouldn't produce much confidence and leisurely thoughts for the average tourist. The Thai government is not that dumb to take sides in a perceived conflict where there is nothing beneficial for the country out of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Should we prefer American warships? I have to admit I didn't follow every war on this earth in the last centuries. But it seems to me the Americans invaded more countries then the Chinese - obviously officially only to bring them democracy. Still, the Chinese managed to butcher about 120 million people. The Chinese just practice the art of war domestically. https://borgenproject.org/top-12-deadliest-wars-in-history/ 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkk6060 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 It will always be about the money. Pay enough and make major economic promises and I bet the government here would be more then welcoming. Maybe even throw in a free warship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pravda Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 I can just hear a TAT spin. Next year 1,000 Chinese warships will be docked at Sattahip!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 minute ago, gearbox said: Why should any foreign warship dock in a country which used to take 40 million tourist per year? This wouldn't produce much confidence and leisurely thoughts for the average tourist. The Thai government is not that dumb to take sides in a perceived conflict where there is nothing beneficial for the country out of this. or like back in WW2 when they sided with Japan thinking that'll keep'em all safe! - translated that to Now; and it's side with the PLA Navy berthed alongside, as it'll keep'em safe from the CCP new Hyper Missile Nukes if the PLA is still lingering nearby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticFox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) Reality: If the US and five-eye countries finally provoke a war with China over Taiwan (I'm betting they will before the end of the decade if not sooner) then the waters surrounding Thailand will be a Chinese "lake" and Thailand itself will become an autonomous region under Chinese patronage. Thailand's northern border is less than a couple hundred kilometers from China as the crow flies. Thailand will follow the same lines of appeasement as it did in WWII. Strategically for Thailand - aligning with the West in a fight with China would be suicidal. They would quickly lose that "We've never been conquered" moniker it likes to wear. Edited November 27, 2021 by ArcticFox 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 minute ago, ArcticFox said: Reality: If the US and five-eye countries finally provoke a war with China over Thailand (I'm betting they will before the end of the decade if not sooner) then the waters surrounding Thailand will be a Chinese "lake" and Thailand itself will become an autonomous region under Chinese patronage. Thailand's northern border is less than a couple hundred kilometers as the crow flies. It will never happen. China is not capable of winning any conventional war against the US. They are a military power mostly because of the threat of mutual destruction through the use of nuclear weapons. The US military budget remains much larger than that of China. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, ArcticFox said: Reality: If the US and five-eye countries finally provoke a war with China over Taiwan (I'm betting they will before the end of the decade if not sooner) then the waters surrounding Thailand will be a Chinese "lake" and Thailand itself will become an autonomous region under Chinese patronage. Thailand's northern border is less than a couple hundred kilometers from China as the crow flies. Thailand will follow the same lines of appeasement as it did in WWII. Strategically for Thailand - aligning with the West in a fight with China would be suicidal. They would quickly lose that "We've never been conquered" moniker it likes to wear. Why would they do that? And with they I mean: Why would the Chinese want such a war? And why would the Americans want such war? It would be stupid. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticFox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, ozimoron said: It will never happen. China is not capable of winning any conventional war against the US. They are a military power mostly because of the threat of mutual destruction through the use of nuclear weapons. The US military budget remains much larger than that of China. Team America - World Police 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, ozimoron said: It will never happen. China is not capable of winning any conventional war against the US. They are a military power mostly because of the threat of mutual destruction through the use of nuclear weapons. The US military budget remains much larger than that of China. Japan was throwing some serious punches with a relative modest budget. The Chinese propaganda machine just released a 3 hours epic war movie where they beat the Americans in a battle during the Korean War, it hit new box office records. The CCP are slowly brainwashing the general population for war. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Why would they do that? And with they I mean: Why would the Chinese want such a war? And why would the Americans want such war? It would be stupid. China need Taiwan to be part of the mother land before the big 100 years celebration of the CCP in 2047. It takes time for wounds to heal and the dust to settle, so expect they go kinetic 10-15 years prior to this date. The clock IS ticking. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticFox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said: Why would they do that? And with they I mean: Why would the Chinese want such a war? And why would the Americans want such war? It would be stupid. China wants its One China policy and Taiwan reunification. The US used to acknowledge that but now they are constantly poking China just as China pokes Taiwan. I've got no dog in that fight - but I can read where it's heading. And with the current hypersonic missile technology using conventional payloads, the superiority of surface ships to project power has pretty much come to an end globally if those ships end up pointed at China or Russia. But most Westerners need to cheer for their own side. I get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearbox Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: China need Taiwan to be part of the mother land before the big 100 years celebration of the CCP in 2047. It takes time for wounds to heal and the dust to settle, so expect they go kinetic 10-15 years prior to this date. The clock IS ticking. China and Taiwan would probably be unified peacefully at the request of Taiwan. The seeds of that were sown by Donald Trump with his chips war on China. Prior to that the Chinese were happy to buy chips designed and produced anywhere else, how they are hell bent on getting at the top of the food chain on this. Taiwan's wealth is based on semiconductors and the export of them mainly to China. If the Chinese come ahead in that area expect Taiwan to become much poorer, and would be a matter of time a new "unification" party to come into existence. Of course in that scenario another possibility is a dictatorship and "our son of a ...", this has happened before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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