8 hours ago, yogi yogi said:

the story i read on yahoo. didnt mention vacced or not vacced it just said over sixty

Originally who said over 60. Later they changed it to unvaccinated over 60.

12 hours ago, lavezzi said:

wait, normal flu has new variants every year.

We are getting vaccinated with 2 doses and boosters too.

New variants will pop every 6/12 months.

 

Covid already has high transmissibility and now the new varaint has high transmissibility? 

What's new?

 

While we should warn and keep pressure on unvaccinated to get it we also should stop terrorizing the world.

 

 

What's new?

It's said to have mild symptoms.

Therefore, why not let it spread. Then we will have natural immunity at low risk?

9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

So as far as we know, nobody has died of this variant as yet - seems even the 61 on the plane to europe were so mild they did not know they had it - but we are shutting borders, stopping flights, closing businesses structures, imposing masks, adding more travel tests. etc.

 

It's nuts.

 

Way it's going someone will sneeze soon and the stock markets will fall 5%

Actually, locking down international borders immediately, is the smart thing to do. Its exactly what should have happened at the beginning after the discovery in Wuhan. Better to wait a couple of weeks to do the tests and find out how dangerous it is before letting your population be exposed to it. Hopefully Omicron is mild and not dangerous then we can continue with opening up properly. No need to wait for people to start dying before we then try to stop it, which was the first and unsuccessful method. 

Dr Yong is simply repeating what has been said by many over the last few days. 

10 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The point I was making with the flu vaccine is that this is updated yearly and it may be likely that covid vaccines will need to be the same to fend of variants

Of course they will. Big Pharma is here to help.  ????

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

likely to replace the Delta variant as the dominant strain if it continues to spread quickly and easily

likely

may

if

quickly & easily

 

Do you really need an expert to state above?

 

He's at it again ... stating the bleeding obvious

12 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I said before this may be a good thing. Delta became dominant over Beta and Beta has disappeared. Omicron (which should have been named Xi) becomes dominant aver Delta and hopefully Delta dissapears. Again hopefully Xi Omicron is mild and this thing might fizzle out. Of course Omicron might mutate later into a more deadly strain albeit less transmissable. Let's hope for the former.

Corect, a lot of speculation in the absence of scientific data at this time.

 

Nevertheless, what is less ambiguous is that the current evidence suggests is that most people will need a new improved vaccine and/or 6 monthly booster shots over at least the next 1-2 years.  The problems here are the production and equitible distribution of the vaccines; and the huge demand on medical personnel to get people vaccined.   As all of us who have been vaccinated know - we front up at a vaccine site, we sit down to be registered by health support staff in front of a computer, we wait in line to be vaccined by a nurse (with a doctor close by just in case there are problems), while behind the scenes medical technicians prepare the vaccines and needles.  Is Thailand. and other countries, graduating enough medical personnel to continue this process over the next few years?  And what is happening with  the multitude of people who have had their elective surgeries postponed due to COVID-19?

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The new coronavirus variant, known as Omicron, is likely to replace the Delta variant as the dominant strain if it continues to spread quickly and easily, said Dr. Yong Poovorawan, chief of the Centre of Excellence in Clinical Virology at Chulalongkorn University today (Wednesday).

I can see why he holds such an esteemed position at the Centre of Excellence in Clinical Virology.

May or may not , vaccine works or works not , just as sick or not , all guessing work atm . We all want to know and it will show , but at this moment it is too soon to say . Yes , sure , would be great if it is more transmission but less sick , but it is way to early to tell . People like this should be banned , since same like anti vaxxers they create fuel if it goes other way around . Just tell the truth , it is too early to tell , we check and recheck , and as soon as 1st results come in , then say it looks ok but with a certain degree of not sure . Wait a week or 2 , we will know more .

13 hours ago, lavezzi said:

wait, normal flu has new variants every year.

We are getting vaccinated with 2 doses and boosters too.

New variants will pop every 6/12 months.

 

Covid already has high transmissibility and now the new varaint has high transmissibility? 

What's new?

 

While we should warn and keep pressure on unvaccinated to get it we also should stop terrorizing the world.

 

 

Approx 50 new mutations whereby 30 of them are on the Spike Protein. 

 

Too much information?

9 minutes ago, Venom said:

Of course they will. Big Pharma is here to help.  ????

Well , who do you want to come help , your local plumber ?

So it spreads fast but is weaker. I see that as a win.

9 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Do the figures actually support Delta being more deadly than previous variants?

Deaths follow infections by about 2 weeks.  We'll know more soon.  But right now, we know it's more transmissible, already accounting for 75% of new cases in South Africa.  And going after younger people.  If it's more transmissible, it's going to infect more people, putting more in hospitals, etc.

 

Hospitalizations are up, as are ICU beds.  Not good.  If more of the world was vaccinated, this might not be an issue, but since that's not the case, trouble could be ahead.

 

We'll know a lot more in a week or so.

1 hour ago, tonysilly said:

This doctor is silly!! Thailand does not have 1 case and he already has us on lock down #3. Where do these nutty professors come from!!!

The doctor is silly?  I'd say he knows a lot more about this than any of us here on this forum.  Better safe than sorry, as they say.  And so far, this new variant isn't looking good.

2 minutes ago, cheapcanuck said:

So it spreads fast but is weaker. I see that as a win.

That's not been determined yet.  A single report by one doc with a few patients isn't very representative.

From @Bkk Brian

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1466136354308476939

NEW: updated chart showing today’s numbers from Gauteng in South Africa: • Now with test positivity, for those who have asked whether this is driven by increased testing • And stating in the title that hospital admissions are a lagging indicator, as many have requested

 

13 hours ago, lavezzi said:

wait, normal flu has new variants every year.

We are getting vaccinated with 2 doses and boosters too.

New variants will pop every 6/12 months.

 

Covid already has high transmissibility and now the new varaint has high transmissibility? 

What's new?

 

While we should warn and keep pressure on unvaccinated to get it we also should stop terrorizing the world.

 

 

...exactly; the virus is constantly mutating within our own body..in fact it can vary from cell to cell...say two trillion.

10 minutes ago, cheapcanuck said:

So it spreads fast but is weaker. I see that as a win.

IF it really is like that , yes it is a good thing . But so far it is unknown , since it was detected in a heavy infected Delta area , so most did have Delta before . Also in SA where most of population is young , meaning less affected anyway , and having covid ( Delta) before , might have caused less effect . Way to early to tell ....

Covid deaths are in addition to everything else. Nothing to do with flu or road deaths or anything one could die of.

 

20,000 extra  deaths in Thailand alone that have seriously affected more than 100,000 others in families and loved ones, suggests to me it is still a serious threat and not to be treated flippantly.

Dr Google has been dug up again to state the bleeding obvious maybe he could answer the question of the non existent paid for Moderna that hundreds of thousands are still waiting for and denied a refund just sell you queue number to some other fool if you can ???? 

34 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

The problems here are the production and equitible distribution of the vaccines; and the huge demand on medical personnel to get people vaccined.  

And possibly entire countries where most people do not want to be vaccinated creating conditions for mutations.  As the serious mutations seem to come from countries with low vaccination numbers.

 

34 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

Is Thailand. and other countries, graduating enough medical personnel to continue this process over the next few years?

Will be interesting to see if we get a class of nurse that is solely trained to give covid vaccines.  Maybe lower entry requirements and shorter education/training periods due to specialisation.

14 hours ago, lavezzi said:

wait, normal flu has new variants every year.

We are getting vaccinated with 2 doses and boosters too.

New variants will pop every 6/12 months.

 

Covid already has high transmissibility and now the new varaint has high transmissibility? 

What's new?

 

While we should warn and keep pressure on unvaccinated to get it we also should stop terrorizing the world.

 

 

There's nothing new here, just more waffle 

4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

And possibly entire countries where most people do not want to be vaccinated creating conditions for mutations.  As the serious mutations seem to come from countries with low vaccination numbers.

 

Will be interesting to see if we get a class of nurse that is solely trained to give covid vaccines.  Maybe lower entry requirements and shorter education/training periods due to specialisation.

Giving a vaccine is as easy as it gets , if you can put a needle in a muscle you can do . Arm is normally used , but in case of untrained persons , a needle in the buttock will do also . It is put intramuscular , so any muscle will do .

1 minute ago, sezze said:

Giving a vaccine is as easy as it gets , if you can put a needle in a muscle you can do . Arm is normally used , but in case of untrained persons , a needle in the buttock will do also . It is put intramuscular , so any muscle will do .

I've got a friend who use to be a nurse, now sells medical supplies.  She was called up and put into 3 days of training to get her ready to help administer jabs.

47 minutes ago, Venom said:

Of course they will. Big Pharma is here to help.  ????

Do you think €20 a shot expensive for a potentially life saving vaccination  that also enables economies to start opening is expensive? The speed of development and production of the vaccine was also astounding and AZ supplied at cost. Pharma spends billions in research often with no return so recuperation of costs on successful ones is the justified business model . When here we were struggling to get vaccinated I would gladly have forked out £500 if offered.

12 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Even before the trials are carried out and any real facts are determined you have the msm and sites like this are already full of wild predictions and potential horror stories hitting the headlines. 
 

Strangely when it’s done this way it doesnt appear to be regarded as fake news yet it seems the perpetrators cry wolf any time anyone else has a different opinion. 

You are spot in there. Even in a BBC article they say it takes weeks to detimine if it's omnicron. 

 

13 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I said before this may be a good thing. Delta became dominant over Beta and Beta has disappeared. Omicron (which should have been named Xi) becomes dominant aver Delta and hopefully Delta dissapears. Again hopefully Xi Omicron is mild and this thing might fizzle out. Of course Omicron might mutate later into a more deadly strain albeit less transmissable. Let's hope for the former.

I agree with your logic. I have tried to explain this logic to several non-scientists and they cannot follow it. The problem is if this data is confirmed later this month, then the public might misinterpret it no longer be concerned with getting vaccinations which would be highly counterproductive. 

14 hours ago, lavezzi said:

wait, normal flu has new variants every year.

We are getting vaccinated with 2 doses and boosters too.

New variants will pop every 6/12 months.

 

Covid already has high transmissibility and now the new varaint has high transmissibility? 

What's new?

 

While we should warn and keep pressure on unvaccinated to get it we also should stop terrorizing the world.

 

 

most reports yet to be confirmed say its like a 2 day hangover, and all over, so the papers will be out in 3 weeks from SA, no need to terrorize the word, your right

32 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I've got a friend who use to be a nurse, now sells medical supplies.  She was called up and put into 3 days of training to get her ready to help administer jabs.

My niece stopped working in hospital because of covid , too much work , not enough paid for a job like that , and she was trained a master study nurse . She used to be a terminal cancer treatment nurse ... so she can handle some stuff .

2 minutes ago, sezze said:

My niece stopped working in hospital because of covid , too much work , not enough paid for a job like that , and she was trained a master study nurse . She used to be a terminal cancer treatment nurse ... so she can handle some stuff .

From what my friend said, quite a few nurses and docs got covid.  One of her friends even died.  Tough job.  But a necessary one.  Sad those who refuse to vaccinate don't care about people like this.