Omicron is here is it time to get boosted?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, jaideedave said:

YES SIR..WERE ALL GOING TO DIE...SOMETIME

 

Goes without saying. I'd just prefer it wasn't next week. If it means putting ankle bracelets on a few anti vaxers I'm all for it.

[bluehippie]

Get the 3rd shot booster now, and then when it loses efficacy as stated by Moderna recently, you can get your 4th shot booster.

Get boosted,--Pfizer and moderna will thank you.

“Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel said Thursday that the COVID-19 vaccine booster people are getting now will lose its effectiveness, and another jab will likely be recommended by the fall.”

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by bluehippie

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1 hour ago, jaideedave said:

YES SIR..WERE ALL GOING TO DIE...SOMETIME

 

But most of us would rather it be without an assist from ignoramuses.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, bluehippie said:

Get the 3rd shot booster now, and then when it loses efficacy as stated by Moderna recently, you can get your 4th shot booster.

Get boosted,--Pfizer and moderna will thank you.

“Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel said Thursday that the COVID-19 vaccine booster people are getting now will lose its effectiveness, and another jab will likely be recommended by the fall.”

 

Their shareholders certainly will, and their bank managers.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Goes without saying. I'd just prefer it wasn't next week. If it means putting ankle bracelets on a few anti vaxers I'm all for it.

Which would make zero difference now that omicron is apparently infecting the fully vaxxed by the thousands.

All your post does IMO is make you sound mean and vindictive.

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11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Which would make zero difference now that omicron is apparently infecting the fully vaxxed by the thousands.

All your post does IMO is make you sound mean and vindictive.

Except that by not getting vaccinated these ignoramuses do severely affect the ability of hospitals to perform other services.

[bluehippie]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Except that by not getting vaccinated these ignoramuses do severely affect the ability of hospitals to perform other services.

COVID-19 update 6 January 2022

06 January 2022

There have been 3,070 new cases of COVID-19 reported in South Australia today. There are currently 21,215 active cases in South Australia. 

There are 123 people with COVID-19 in hospital, including 12 people in ICU and one requiring a ventilator. 

Of those hospitalised, 73 people are fully vaccinated, 12 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, and 38 have an unknown vaccination status.

60% of hospitalized ignoramuses are fully vaccinated.

So quit with the vilification, who do you think you are!

[thaibeachlovers]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Except that by not getting vaccinated these ignoramuses do severely affect the ability of hospitals to perform other services.

??????

Are not people in hospital fully vaccinated and infected by other fully vaxxed people? That's what I've been reading on this forum.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, bluehippie said:

COVID-19 update 6 January 2022

06 January 2022

There have been 3,070 new cases of COVID-19 reported in South Australia today. There are currently 21,215 active cases in South Australia. 

There are 123 people with COVID-19 in hospital, including 12 people in ICU and one requiring a ventilator. 

Of those hospitalised, 73 people are fully vaccinated, 12 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, and 38 have an unknown vaccination status.

60% of hospitalized ignoramuses are fully vaccinated.

So quit with the vilification, who do you think you are!

You are the man!

It's good to see facts being used against the usual suspects and their fearmongering.

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50 minutes ago, bluehippie said:

COVID-19 update 6 January 2022

06 January 2022

There have been 3,070 new cases of COVID-19 reported in South Australia today. There are currently 21,215 active cases in South Australia. 

There are 123 people with COVID-19 in hospital, including 12 people in ICU and one requiring a ventilator. 

Of those hospitalised, 73 people are fully vaccinated, 12 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, and 38 have an unknown vaccination status.

60% of hospitalized ignoramuses are fully vaccinated.

So quit with the vilification, who do you think you are!

I think I'm someone who understands these statistics better than you. Hospitalizations are one thing, but residency in an ICU unit quite another. ICU occupants impose a huge cost in health systmens. And putblic health statistics consistently show that the overwhelming number of patients in ICU units are, in fact, unvaccinated. This has universally been the case in economically developed nations. Cherry-picking one set of statistics - and a remarkably incomplete set at that - does nothing to further your case.

[Tony125]

 

From USA Today 

COVID-19 boosters offer 'potent' protection against omicron, study says, recommending Pfizer and Moderna

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-19-boosters-offer-potent-protection-against-omicron-study-says-recommending-pfizer-and-moderna/ar-AASwJPl?li=BBnb7Kz

[Chomper Higgot]

19 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Which would make zero difference now that omicron is apparently infecting the fully vaxxed by the thousands.

All your post does IMO is make you sound mean and vindictive.

Infection and outcome of infection are not the same thing.

 

It’s not vaccinated people who are filling up ICU units.

 

Despite their lower absolute umbers, it’s the unvaccinated that are winding up seriously I’ll in hospital:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/23/covid-patients-in-icu-now-almost-all-unvaccinated-says-oxford-scientist

 

‘Let’s go Darwin’.

 

 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

19 hours ago, bluehippie said:

COVID-19 update 6 January 2022

06 January 2022

There have been 3,070 new cases of COVID-19 reported in South Australia today. There are currently 21,215 active cases in South Australia. 

There are 123 people with COVID-19 in hospital, including 12 people in ICU and one requiring a ventilator. 

Of those hospitalised, 73 people are fully vaccinated, 12 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, and 38 have an unknown vaccination status.

60% of hospitalized ignoramuses are fully vaccinated.

So quit with the vilification, who do you think you are!

From the article you have linked: 

 

“There are 123 people with COVID-19 in hospital, including 12 people in ICU and one requiring a ventilator. 

Of those hospitalised, 73 people are fully vaccinated, 12 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, and 38 have an unknown vaccination status.”

 

First observation, the vaccination status of 38 of the 123 cases is unknown. 
 

So before you start calculating percentages to make your argument over 30% of the data set is uncertain. Moreover, there is zero data on the vaccination status of the 8 people who are reported dead.

 

But such obvious gaps in the data didn’t stop you reaching for your calculator, so you gave us:

 

“60% of hospitalized ignoramuses are fully vaccinated.“

 

Firstly let’s correct your math, 73 fully vaccinated out of 123 total cases is 59,3% (rounding up to help your argument is a tell).

 

 

Let’s assume you don’t understand uncertainty created by missing data and go with your inflated 60%.

 

From the article you linked and are basing your argument on:

 

“Currently 92.7% of eligible South Australians aged 12+ have received their first dose of the vaccine, 88.5% have received their second dose “

 

If the vaccines were having no positive impact the percentage of fully vaccinated patients in hospital would be 88.7%.

 

Forgive me if pointing out the gaping holes in your understanding of the information in the article you choose to post causes you any embarrassment, it’s not personal.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

From the article you have linked: 

 

“There are 123 people with COVID-19 in hospital, including 12 people in ICU and one requiring a ventilator. 

Of those hospitalised, 73 people are fully vaccinated, 12 are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, and 38 have an unknown vaccination status.”

 

First observation, the vaccination status of 38 of the 123 cases is unknown. 
 

So before you start calculating percentages to make your argument over 30% of the data set is uncertain. Moreover, there is zero data on the vaccination status of the 8 people who are reported dead.

 

But such obvious gaps in the data didn’t stop you reaching for your calculator, so you gave us:

 

“60% of hospitalized ignoramuses are fully vaccinated.“

 

Firstly let’s correct your math, 73 fully vaccinated out of 123 total cases is 59,3% (rounding up to help your argument is a tell).

 

 

Let’s assume you don’t understand uncertainty created by missing data and go with your inflated 60%.

 

From the article you linked and are basing your argument on:

 

“Currently 92.7% of eligible South Australians aged 12+ have received their first dose of the vaccine, 88.5% have received their second dose “

 

If the vaccines were having no positive impact the percentage of fully vaccinated patients in hospital would be 88.7%.

 

Forgive me if pointing out the gaping holes in your understanding of the information in the article you choose to post causes you any embarrassment, it’s not personal.

 

 

And that article says nothing about the percentage of those in the ICU that are unvaccinated. Typically, it's most of them.

[Rimmer]

Some baiting bickering and name calling posts and replies removed

[Tony125]

 

Sinopharm protein-based booster stronger against Omicron than earlier shot - study

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sinopharm-protein-based-booster-stronger-095029525.html

[Tony125]

 

Pfizer: Vaccine targeting Omicron will be ready in March

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/pfizer-vaccine-targeting-omicron-will-be-ready-in-march/ar-AASDEgX?li=BBnb7Kz

 

They are tweeking their shots to be more effective against Omicron

[Tony125]

 

WHO warns against treating COVID as "endemic" like the flu

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/warns-against-treating-covid-endemic-135306075.html

[Tony125]

 

A Booster Vaccine Red Flag: Getting Too Many Could Backfire

 

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/99a220f2-4735-3171-82a1-069def598f62/a-booster-vaccine-red-flag-.html

[Tony125]

On 1/7/2022 at 5:28 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

That's interesting, as in NZ there are a lot of obese people, but far as I know, ZERO government action to "encourage" people to lose weight. The number of fat kids I see around is IMO a shame on society. They did mutter a bit about a sugar tax some time ago but that came to nothing.

I'm a bit chubby myself, but the Dr has never talked to me about losing weight, so I doubt there is anything from the government to tell Drs to do something about it.

Government seems more interested in jabbing people than in improving their general health to boost natural immunity.

I wonder if any action in other countries to reduce obesity, given the cost to the health systems of fat people eg diabetes, heart problems etc.

 

The worst pandemic facing America right now isn't COVID-19. It's obesity. Why that matters

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/worst-pandemic-facing-america-now-100727306.html

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On 1/7/2022 at 9:57 AM, Tony125 said:

Although obesity is linked to higher rates to many diseases (heart, high blood pressure, diabeties, stroke, ect) as well as Covid  just being in good shape, eating well, lower body weight will not protect you from Covid. Below is a link to a 41 year old champion kickboxer , low body fat in great shape who thought he didn't need a vaccine because he was strong and had  natural immunity. He died from Covid.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/12/27/belgium-anti-vax-boxing-champion-dies-of-covid-after-discharging-himself-from-hospital-15830527/

Well, statistically speaking it does provide strong protection. Just not absolute protection. But neither does vaccination. On the other hand, there is this constant refrain from anti-vaxxers that it's somehow the fault of the obese. But as research on the digestive biome increasingly shows. obesity is not so much a simple result of overeating, but of disturbances in the biome caused by antibiotics, other medications, additives in foodstuff, and chemical contamination, that result in digestive imbalances.

[Credo]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, statistically speaking it does provide strong protection. Just not absolute protection. But neither does vaccination. On the other hand, there is this constant refrain from anti-vaxxers that it's somehow the fault of the obese. But as research on the digestive biome increasingly shows. obesity is not so much a simple result of overeating, but of disturbances in the biome caused by antibiotics, other medications, additives in foodstuff, and chemical contamination, that result in digestive imbalances.

What we hear from anti-vaxxers is an endless litany of reasons to minimize the impact of the pandemic.   Obesity is a reality.  Maybe these acutely knowledgeable people could give us a 6 or 8 month warning before the next pandemic so we can all get into shape.  Of course, if you're just plain old or unfortunately have cancer, then you're screwed, but, hey, you probably weren't living by the secretive and always moving anti-vaxxer code.   

The vast majority of people who are victims of the pandemic had little or no control over their eventual fate.   Most are people who had little choice but to go to work each day to support their family.  I wish they would stop with the victim-blaming and it's not much more than just that.

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47 minutes ago, Credo said:

What we hear from anti-vaxxers is an endless litany of reasons to minimize the impact of the pandemic.   Obesity is a reality.  Maybe these acutely knowledgeable people could give us a 6 or 8 month warning before the next pandemic so we can all get into shape.  Of course, if you're just plain old or unfortunately have cancer, then you're screwed, but, hey, you probably weren't living by the secretive and always moving anti-vaxxer code.   

The vast majority of people who are victims of the pandemic had little or no control over their eventual fate.   Most are people who had little choice but to go to work each day to support their family.  I wish they would stop with the victim-blaming and it's not much more than just that.

I entirely agree with you. Anti-covid vaxxers use a long standing and difficult public health problem as a way to undermine adopting the far easier steps it takes to combat a viral pathogen.

[yogi yogi]

4 hours ago, Credo said:

What we hear from anti-vaxxers is an endless litany of reasons to minimize the impact of the pandemic.   Obesity is a reality.  Maybe these acutely knowledgeable people could give us a 6 or 8 month warning before the next pandemic so we can all get into shape.  Of course, if you're just plain old or unfortunately have cancer, then you're screwed, but, hey, you probably weren't living by the secretive and always moving anti-vaxxer code.   

The vast majority of people who are victims of the pandemic had little or no control over their eventual fate.   Most are people who had little choice but to go to work each day to support their family.  I wish they would stop with the victim-blaming and it's not much more than just that.

the anti vaccers have won this war.  now we all get covid.   

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, Tony125 said:

 

The worst pandemic facing America right now isn't COVID-19. It's obesity. Why that matters

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/worst-pandemic-facing-america-now-100727306.html

 

Nobody infects others with obesity simply by breathing near them.

 

And I quite expect the same people arguing against vaccines would get in line to argue against the means to combat obesity.
 

 

Edited January 14, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, Tony125 said:

 

A Booster Vaccine Red Flag: Getting Too Many Could Backfire

 

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/99a220f2-4735-3171-82a1-069def598f62/a-booster-vaccine-red-flag-.html

Already debunked in the thread addressing this very news item.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Well, statistically speaking it does provide strong protection. Just not absolute protection. But neither does vaccination. On the other hand, there is this constant refrain from anti-vaxxers that it's somehow the fault of the obese. But as research on the digestive biome increasingly shows. obesity is not so much a simple result of overeating, but of disturbances in the biome caused by antibiotics, other medications, additives in foodstuff, and chemical contamination, that result in digestive imbalances.

Hmmmmm. If energy in exceeds energy out, is it not a fact that excess energy is stored in the human body as fat?

One can make all the excuses one likes, but if one eats too much and does too little, one is going to get fat. The answer to obesity for most is in people's own hands.

 

I wasn't aware of any refrain from those opposed to vaccination per se, but rather a reluctance to take a substance that was produced years sooner than a previous vaccine and using a different technology. I myself waited till an alternative to Pfizer was available, and very happy to have done so.

[thaibeachlovers]

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Nobody infects others with obesity simply by breathing near them.

 

And I quite expect the same people arguing against vaccines would get in line to argue against the means to combat obesity.
 

 

Simply giving up sugar is a good way to lose weight. I lost 10 kg by doing so, despite making no other change to my lifestyle or diet. Of course it's not easy giving up sugar given it is added to so much processed food, but it can be done.

[thaibeachlovers]

47 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Nobody infects others with obesity simply by breathing near them.

 

And I quite expect the same people arguing against vaccines would get in line to argue against the means to combat obesity.
 

 

?????????? How many would argue against eating less and exercising more? Are we a planet of slothful gluttons now?

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Simply giving up sugar is a good way to lose weight. I lost 10 kg by doing so, despite making no other change to my lifestyle or diet. Of course it's not easy giving up sugar given it is added to so much processed food, but it can be done.

Also added in large quantities to food here in Thailand.