1 hour ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Thailand  has excelled the USA in almost every aspect of its covid protocols. The USA has failed in so many ways its sad

The US has suffered severely from COVID.  So your point is well taken but I can not agree with it.  The US has certainly exceeded Thailand in testing, vaccine development, vaccine deployment and variety of therapeutic treatments.  They also have donated vaccines to other countries unlike Thailand.  Oh yes, the US economy has not crashed either.  So for these and other reasons I think your statement is not correct.  I trust the US numbers and medical technology much more than what is filtered here in Thailand.

23 minutes ago, LALes said:

All the bars in Pattaya and Jomtien have been open for e few weeks now.  Does the Govt know this?  Saying that the bars will remain closed would indicate that the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing.  Not a new concept here.

The govt knows how many restaurant licences have been issued.

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

The govt knows how many restaurant licences have been issued.

Good point but like its testing numbers, its turned a blind eye

5 minutes ago, koratkarlos said:

The US has suffered severely from COVID.  So your point is well taken but I can not agree with it.  The US has certainly exceeded Thailand in testing, vaccine development, vaccine deployment and variety of therapeutic treatments.  They also have donated vaccines to other countries unlike Thailand.  Oh yes, the US economy has not crashed either.  So for these and other reasons I think your statement is not correct.  I trust the US numbers and medical technology much more than what is filtered here in Thailand.

It's a mixed bag in the U.S. You can't discount that the U.S. has been the hardest hit of any other country in the world! Why? Insane, divisive politics where basic things like mask wearing and vaccinations have become political footballs. Seriously, health ministers might suffer some normal criticism in Thailand but in the U.S. a great man of public service and science like Fauci receives constant death threats. 

 

On the vaccination front, Thailand is not a rich country. You would expect rich countries to be successful in widely vaccinating quickly but Thailand and most countries in the world are NOT playing on any kind of level playing field! Looking at the reality, the Thailand vaccination program has been very good. 

Piles Varient with ingrown Toenail variant will be next and Gov Control will see Anutin banning the Easter Bunny on the borders of Myanmar … All starving Thais must do so quietly but must sign a document to say how fantastic the Gov has handled the plumdemic better than every country in the world “;0)

13 minutes ago, Jiggo said:

I know of one, the staff had the vax without his knowledge in the end....must be others out there... 

Congratulations.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's a mixed bag in the U.S. You can't discount that the U.S. has been the hardest hit of any other country in the world! Why? Insane, divisive politics where basic things like mask wearing and vaccinations have become political footballs. Seriously, health ministers might suffer some normal criticism in Thailand but in the U.S. a great man of public service and science like Fauci receives constant death threats. 

Fauci a Great Man … 55555555 … Let me try and keep my porridge down … The guy s biggest fraud going … He funded Wuhan Lab and Lies to cover his Poo 55555 

1 hour ago, WEBBYB808 said:

That speaks volumes.   So, you think if we can prevent one loss of life, then we shouldn't.   I said," Wouldn't  you agree that if we can prevent even one loss of life, then we should do that?"  Unless you are a money and pleasure first kind of person?

Be realistic. EVERYTHING is a cost-benefit analysis.

 

For example, we could mandate that any vehicle be limited to 5kph. If we did, it is unlikely anybody would die in road accidents. Worldwide that might save a million people a year and millions more serious injuries. We don't do that, however, because it would make road travel or goods delivery almost impossible.

 

For Covid, there are things that have no or minimal cost, such as mask wearing, temp checks, even vaccines (no, they do not cause autism). I might prefer not to wear a mask, and certainly enjoy seeing people's faces (women, at least), but I accept the current requirement. I appreciate that it saves lives, and since the cost to me is next to nothing, I am happy to follow the rules.

 

Where it becomes more difficult is determining just how open society should be to find the middle ground between virus spread and economic need. That is an almost impossible calculus, and no matter what is decided, a good many people are not going to be happy. Add to this the fact that this is the first worldwide pandemic in the modern era, so there is no blueprint. It's learn as we go. Yes, there are some inconsistencies and things that seem, or are, not logical, but again, the right answer is not easy to determine. The practice so far, at least in most places, has been to impose mitigation measures aimed at not over-stressing the healthcare system. That would seem the right move, but occasionally requirements are imposed in a hamfisted way.

 

All of our patience is running thin after 2 years, but we still need to make wise decisions that consider the cost-benefit of everything we do.

5 hours ago, daveAustin said:

If in Thailand and you’ve got half a brain this is the logical course of action. Myriad Thais would do the same. The alternative doesn’t bear thinking about. As long as one isolates, what’s the big deal?

while I understand where your coming from,   I told my Thai friends about this tonight,   and they went ballistic,  in fact the friendship has been soured because of this decision ....

Thai's see it this way ...

farang infected with Covid19 in condo on floor 7, room 722 ....

old lady or young thai boy in room 727 gets infected and dies.    But farang won't say nothing because of the hospital bill and 10 days quarantine.

In other words,    you are selfish and only think about yourself,  you don't care about anyone else in the building and the fact transmission is simple and other could die because of your arrogance.  

 

what is your opinion  ??

 

4 minutes ago, Millcx said:

Fauci a Great Man … 55555555 … Let me try and keep my porridge down … The guy s biggest fraud going … He funded Wuhan Lab and Lies to cover his Poo 55555 

Like I said, toxically divisive. Americans know which side you are on. In a pandemic we should all be on the SAME SIDE. So many Americans have needlessly died because of the toxic politics represented above.  

Mass psychosis and hysteria nothing more... People need to wake up to this scam.

5 minutes ago, steven100 said:

while I understand where your coming from,   I told my Thai friends about this tonight,   and they went ballistic,  in fact the friendship has been soured because of this decision ....

Thai's see it this way ...

farang infected with Covid19 in condo on floor 7, room 722 ....

old lady or young thai boy in room 727 gets infected and dies.    But farang won't say nothing because of the hospital bill and 10 days quarantine.

In other words,    you are selfish and only think about yourself,  you don't care about anyone else in the building and the fact transmission is simple and other could die because of your arrogance.  

 

what is your opinion  ??

 

Scapegoating foreigners is easy to do. 

Love that "Thai Ministry of Public Healthy".

 

10 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

Fully expected this to happen.  You can kiss away any entertainment to be sanctioned for opening until June, and that may be wishful thinking.  Thailand is now on a full-throttle downward dive into oblivion.

 

I got covid on New Years Eve after getting the Pfizer jabs last year.  Don't know what flavor because I self tested, not wanting to end up in a Gulag (or even a Stalag) by being officially tested by the local Commissars. 

 

Anyway, I've done the right thing and stayed home like a good little Comrade and done my best to prevent myself from initiating the destruction of mankind.

 

Now day 5 or 6, a runny nose, the odd sneeze, healthy appetite, and restful unbroken sleep.  If I had to rate it against my worst case of influenza in about 1995 that laid me up for a fortnight and I lost 15kg in weight, the covid I'm experiencing doesn't even rate as a mild Cold.  I'm actually disappointed.

 

 

Thank you. The whole thing is overblown to a ridiculous degree. And that applies doubly to the weak Omi variant.

 

But, some seem to embrace panic and fear. And many have bought into the Apocalypse. 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Scapegoating foreigners is easy to do. 

but from an ethical stance they are correct .....

3 minutes ago, steven100 said:

but from an ethical stance they are correct .....

Depends on if they express the same outrage towards a Thai that decides to self isolate. 

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

a great man of public service and science like Fauci

Just for the records, I totally disagree with that statement.

 

He is a dangerous Pharma whore.

Just now, Paiman said:

Just for the records, I totally disagree with that statement.

 

He is a dangerous Pharma whore.

There's that toxic divisiveness again. 

Very sad, but no surprise. I fear nightlife here will never be the same again. I hope I'm wrong.

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Scapegoating foreigners is easy to do. 

not really a scapegoat thing .... it's simple ethical behaviour.   The person is secretly hiding a disease or virus they know full and well they have contracted and then accidently pass it on to another tenant a few doors down.   

 

it is questionable,  and the Thai's who were berserk at me when I mentioned this do have some grounds and justification.   

nothing to do with scapegoats.  imo

10 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Friend was over for beers yesterday afternoon and he said massage shops were being closed again from Today.

 

Anyone heard about this ?

It has not been announced

11 minutes ago, steven100 said:

not really a scapegoat thing .... it's simple ethical behaviour.   The person is secretly hiding a disease or virus they know full and well they have contracted and then accidently pass it on to another tenant a few doors down.   

 

it is questionable,  and the Thai's who were berserk at me when I mentioned this do have some grounds and justification.   

nothing to do with scapegoats.  imo

I'm skeptical. Omicron has MOSTLY low or no symptoms. Most of the world is dealing with this with at home isolation.  A huge portion of those infected would never feel a need to even seek testing. There has been a clear trend in Thailand to blame foreigners for introduction of all phases of this virus. It's convenient xenophobia. 

32 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Be realistic. EVERYTHING is a cost-benefit analysis.

 

For example, we could mandate that any vehicle be limited to 5kph. If we did, it is unlikely anybody would die in road accidents. Worldwide that might save a million people a year and millions more serious injuries. We don't do that, however, because it would make road travel or goods delivery almost impossible.

 

For Covid, there are things that have no or minimal cost, such as mask wearing, temp checks, even vaccines (no, they do not cause autism). I might prefer not to wear a mask, and certainly enjoy seeing people's faces (women, at least), but I accept the current requirement. I appreciate that it saves lives, and since the cost to me is next to nothing, I am happy to follow the rules.

 

Where it becomes more difficult is determining just how open society should be to find the middle ground between virus spread and economic need. That is an almost impossible calculus, and no matter what is decided, a good many people are not going to be happy. Add to this the fact that this is the first worldwide pandemic in the modern era, so there is no blueprint. It's learn as we go. Yes, there are some inconsistencies and things that seem, or are, not logical, but again, the right answer is not easy to determine. The practice so far, at least in most places, has been to impose mitigation measures aimed at not over-stressing the healthcare system. That would seem the right move, but occasionally requirements are imposed in a hamfisted way.

 

All of our patience is running thin after 2 years, but we still need to make wise decisions that consider the cost-benefit of everything we do.

Well said!

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There's that toxic divisiveness again.

I don,t think there is anything wrong with expressing my opinion. Has he got more rights to express his opinion than I have?

 

If you put a different opinion equal to hostility / toxic than you might have a misunderstanding somewhere?

 

Just now, Jingthing said:

I'm skeptical. Omicron has MOSTLY low or no symptoms. Most of the world is dealing with this with at home isolation. There has been a clear trend in Thailand to blame foreigners for introduction of all phases of this virus. It's convenient xenophobia. 

Well, you have look at the factors.  The cases were low until the sandbox and mongers started  to return.   Pattaya, Chonburi,  where many if not most mongers are,  is steadily  rising with cases.

3 minutes ago, Paiman said:

I don,t think there is anything wrong with expressing my opinion. Has he got more rights to express his opinion than I have?

 

If you put a different opinion equal to hostility / toxic than you might have a misunderstanding somewhere?

 

Death threats aren't opinions. If you don't acknowledge that toxic political divisiveness as well as misinformation about vaccines is a huge problem in the U.S. that literally kills people, we have nothing to discuss. 

1 minute ago, WEBBYB808 said:

Well, you have look at the factors.  The cases were low until the sandbox and mongers started  to return.   Pattaya, Chonburi,  where many if not most mongers are,  is steadily  rising with cases.

I'm not going to dignify that with a response.

There was no way for Thailand to keep Omicron out. Period.

58 minutes ago, Paiman said:

Remember which country you are in and some additional funding can help.

Thats very true, annd realistically needed.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm skeptical. Omicron has MOSTLY low or no symptoms. Most of the world is dealing with this with at home isolation.

Absolutely agree with that one.

 

The population is more afraid of the reaction of the government than of the Virus.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not going to dignify that with a response.

There was no way for Thailand to keep Omicron out. Period.

Agreed!  But opening a flood gate after managing it so well for so long seems to be a bad choice.  I guess everyone will once again see things close up soon.