18 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Very sad, but no surprise. I fear nightlife here will never be the same again. I hope I'm wrong.

Been like that since the Thaksin Shinawatra days.. Bars have never been the same again .. 

9 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

I really dont think so many are waiting on a decision.

They have all heard so many decisions that they are sick of it.

 

Agreed. And those of us who follow AN, will also realise that "decisions" are all absolutely final and binding.....until they're not! ????

1 minute ago, VBF said:

Agreed. And those of us who follow AN, will also realise that "decisions" are all absolutely final and binding.....until they're not! ????

Most definitely this is why I have decided on waiting until at least 2023 .. 

 

People think I’m silly but time and time again my worst feelings have come right.. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Death threats aren't opinions. If you don't acknowledge that toxic political divisiveness as well as misinformation about vaccines is a huge problem in the U.S. that literally kills people, we have nothing to discuss. 

It will come down to the fact, that we both have different sources of information that we assume being truthful.  

 

 

Just now, Paiman said:

It will come down to the fact, that we both have different sources of information that we assume being truthful.  

 

 

Many sources are total garbage so the equivalency you imply is nonexistent. 

5 minutes ago, NicholasTH said:

Most definitely this is why I have decided on waiting until at least 2023 .. 

 

People think I’m silly but time and time again my worst feelings have come right.. 

 

Unfortunately so have mine...never have I so wanted to be wrong but.....????

54 minutes ago, steven100 said:

while I understand where your coming from,   I told my Thai friends about this tonight,   and they went ballistic,  in fact the friendship has been soured because of this decision ....

Thai's see it this way ...

farang infected with Covid19 in condo on floor 7, room 722 ....

old lady or young thai boy in room 727 gets infected and dies.    But farang won't say nothing because of the hospital bill and 10 days quarantine.

In other words,    you are selfish and only think about yourself,  you don't care about anyone else in the building and the fact transmission is simple and other could die because of your arrogance.  

 

what is your opinion  ??

 

Thats the Thais most likely got infected somehow else

2 minutes ago, VBF said:

Unfortunately so have mine...never have I so wanted to be wrong but.....????

There is no enjoyment in this whatsoever.

 

holidays are about having fun this isn’t fun whatsoever..

 

especially Thailand track record on an International level.. 

 

even I was looking at Phuket and you was looking at spending roughly 4,500.00 British Pounds = 202,394.45 Thai Baht

Now imagine how many people are doing this now .. 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Many sources are total garbage so the equivalency you imply is nonexistent.

Many sources are indeed biased. It needs an intellectual inquisitive & curious mind to find the truth.

3 hours ago, WEBBYB808 said:

It wasn't  spreading until they allowed the bars to open under the radar, and the pleasure  before saftey  seekers started showing up in Thailand  and neglecting  to follow protocol.   I still see these geniuses  walking around maskless.  Greed and pleasure  before saftey  of neighbors  and self!

What no ‘fire and brimstone’? ????

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

while I understand where your coming from,   I told my Thai friends about this tonight,   and they went ballistic,  in fact the friendship has been soured because of this decision ....

Thai's see it this way ...

farang infected with Covid19 in condo on floor 7, room 722 ....

old lady or young thai boy in room 727 gets infected and dies.    But farang won't say nothing because of the hospital bill and 10 days quarantine.

In other words,    you are selfish and only think about yourself,  you don't care about anyone else in the building and the fact transmission is simple and other could die because of your arrogance.  

 

what is your opinion  ??

 

Steven, you’re being a bit dramatic, somewhat paranoid and succumbing to the Thai government’s rhetoric on this?

 

I have a very close friend whose teenage son caught Covid. He just isolated in his bedroom and his mother took him his meals. She didn’t catch it.

 

The house was about 80m2 over 2 floors and they shared the sole bathroom?  I know of plenty of similar cases and situations in my home locality? So in case you’re still wondering, it doesn’t pass through walls?

1 hour ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Congratulations.

Why its not my birthday

12 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

Fully expected this to happen.  You can kiss away any entertainment to be sanctioned for opening until June, and that may be wishful thinking.  Thailand is now on a full-throttle downward dive into oblivion.

 

I got covid on New Years Eve after getting the Pfizer jabs last year.  Don't know what flavor because I self tested, not wanting to end up in a Gulag (or even a Stalag) by being officially tested by the local Commissars. 

 

Anyway, I've done the right thing and stayed home like a good little Comrade and done my best to prevent myself from initiating the destruction of mankind.

 

Now day 5 or 6, a runny nose, the odd sneeze, healthy appetite, and restful unbroken sleep.  If I had to rate it against my worst case of influenza in about 1995 that laid me up for a fortnight and I lost 15kg in weight, the covid I'm experiencing doesn't even rate as a mild Cold.  I'm actually disappointed.

 

 

Only conjecture but it sounds like it could have been delta.  You were vaccinated so very mild symptoms.  With Omicron they usually end 3 days after symptoms like clockwork.  That is, if you feel it at all.  

I know, it's gone from something to be fearful of to just going "oh shoot, I need to isolate now".  I don't fear it anymore.  

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

but from an ethical stance they are correct .....

Please explain the logic and ethics of the xenophobic rules and/or beliefs that it is ok for a Thai to self isolate at home whilst a falang should pay to go to a private hospital?

 

I’d be interested in hearing both your and your friends reasoning?

6 minutes ago, Jiggo said:

Why its not my birthday

The congrats were for you knowing a bar owner, you seemed to be very excited about that fact......like many are for some reason.

2 hours ago, Millcx said:

Fauci a Great Man … 55555555 … Let me try and keep my porridge down … The guy s biggest fraud going … He funded Wuhan Lab and Lies to cover his Poo 55555 

You drank the Kool-aid 

 

Dr. Fauci didn't fund the Wuhan lab. 

2 hours ago, Pabs said:

Mass psychosis and hysteria nothing more... People need to wake up to this scam.

Are the 5 million dead part of the scam? 

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Are the 5 million dead part of the scam? 

Not enough. The world is adding 75 or 80 million every year; we need to up our game.

William Burroughs was right, the most dangerous virus on earth is the human race.

(The above is tongue in cheek.)

But seriously, China delenda est. 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Many sources are total garbage so the equivalency you imply is nonexistent. 

Quite right.

One is science based and the other is conspiracy anti vax garbage that has led to many dying and now suffering life changing long covid.

Seems more and more people are finally realising that taking horse dewormer is not the answer and are rolling up there sleeve to get their first jab.

This will only increase as people realise that vaccination is the only way out of this mess.

Hopefully, sterilising broad spectrum vaccines will only be a few years away.

Then we will finally not have to listen to the crazees spouting their equivalence of irrelevant discredited crank based nutty professor nonsense.

 

12 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Friend was over for beers yesterday afternoon and he said massage shops were being closed again from Today.

 

Anyone heard about this ?

Massage shops in Patong remained opened even in the darkest days of Covid. they were the only place open. Figure that one out.

This virus is just going to recycle itself through the global population again and again in one vicious global circle. The implication ..... very tough times ahead for bar owners ...... 

1 hour ago, Paiman said:

Many sources are indeed biased. It needs an intellectual inquisitive & curious mind to find the truth.

It takes no intellect to know that Infowars and Marjorie Taylor Greene are garbage sources.

 

There are facts.

There are opinions.

There are lies.

.

 

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It takes no intellect to know that Infowars and Marjorie Taylor Greene are garbage sources.

 

There are facts.

There are opinions.

There are lies.

.

 

The Bogdanoff twins believed the lies and ended up dead..............

 

France's Bogdanoff TV twins die of Covid six days apart

 

Grichka and Igor Bogdanoff became France's most famous twins, hosting a TV science and science-fiction show in the 1980s on a spaceship set.

They died of coronavirus within days of each other in hospital, Grichka on 28 December and his brother on Monday.

Aged 72, the brothers had not been vaccinated against Covid-19.

Their friends said they were convinced their healthy lifestyle would protect them and they were admitted to hospital in mid-December.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59867046

Thai Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul has indicated that the reopening of pubs and bars, scheduled for January 16^th, may have to be postponed indefinitely as, in several provinces, they are being blamed for outbreaks of COVID-19 infections during the long New Year holidays.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailands-health-minister-disagrees-with-plan-to-reopen-pubs-on-january-16/

 

I think if that goes through, the number of members in this forum will start dropping drastically very quickly....

9 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Thai Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul has indicated that the reopening of pubs and bars, scheduled for January 16^th, may have to be postponed indefinitely as, in several provinces, they are being blamed for outbreaks of COVID-19 infections during the long New Year holidays.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailands-health-minister-disagrees-with-plan-to-reopen-pubs-on-january-16/

 

I think if that goes through, the number of members in this forum will start dropping drastically very quickly....

Forget tourists, i think a lot of expats may start making plans to leave Thailand. If they haven't burned their bridges already that is.

Pattaya is beginning to look old and worn really quick.

That Treetown area will be next to be sold to a Sino Thai developer when the landlord realises that the tourism tap has been turned off again.

Then Phuket will go back to monsoon shuttered mode in a few months.

 

 

In the USA and Canada there are still way too many red neck, anti vaxxers and anti maskers, who

spout on about losing their freedom some how. There is no wonder why the USA has had the most deaths

and a lot more cases of COVID than they could have had. Same in Canada, I even have a few relatives who

are still refusing to get vaccinated, and who do not believe the news on TV, as they get their trusted stories from 

some computer site.  Omicron may not be the same killer virus as Delta is, but there are still a lot of people

ending up in hospitals, including a lot of young children. I have seen news stories of medical staff getting

sick and a lot of hospitals are so understaffed that the military is stepping in to help out.  Sad situation.

I am not surprised to see delays on the re opening of bars and entertainment places. 

Provincial health authorities in Chonburi launched a hunt on Tuesday for two Indian travellers who tested positive for Covid-19. 

Hmmm….. ( with Thai accent)……if it wasn’t for farangs we wouldn’t have the Omicron virus ?

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Like I said, toxically divisive. Americans know which side you are on. In a pandemic we should all be on the SAME SIDE. So many Americans have needlessly died because of the toxic politics represented above.  
 

ALM … So falls the Demonicrats

 

12 hours ago, WEBBYB808 said:

That speaks volumes.   So, you think if we can prevent one loss of life, then we shouldn't.   I said," Wouldn't  you agree that if we can prevent even one loss of life, then we should do that?"  Unless you are a money and pleasure first kind of person?

Not at any cost. Covid obsessed people are often quite simple minded and can not see the big picture. We accept loss of life for other reasons as well so why should covid be any different? Would you accept preventing one loss of life, especially of someone very old and frail, if it cost one tenth of the annual state budget?