Omicron guidelines set, mild and asymptomatic cases to be isolated at home or state facilities

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, wensiensheng said:

Strange. Every other article that I have read about omicron has said that the symptoms differ from other variants in that fever is specifically NOT a symptom. And yet in Thailand they specifically say that omicron symptoms are the same and DO include fever.

I have heard both... it is apparent symptoms do vary between people. Another point is the loss of taste or smell is not an Omicron symptom... so I can put my small  jar of Tiger Balm away. 

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The department has divided Omicron cases into asymptomatic, probable cases and mild cases, who can be isolated at home or in community facilities, and the severe cases who need to be hospitalised.

So what's with the "instantly" being sent to a hospital and being handed a large bill?

 

[jacko45k]

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

do share

 

yes maybe

So you agree with me.... no need to expound then.

[smedly]

7 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Exactly, 2 of my 3 grown adult children in the US picked up Omicron.  The duaghter, 22, cleared it in 3 days after coming down with it and testing positive.  Son, in the military, 24, Has had it now for 7 days and he says it is like a bad case of the flu that he can not shake.  He has been isolated from his unit and is taking medicines prescribed.  Just this morning, our time here, he started feeling better.  So yes as with any cold, flu, virus or whatever, even being vaccinated it can affect folks differently.  Both of them are vaccinated with Pfizer.  Daughter just yesterday was boosted with Moderna.  The oldest a surgical ICU Nurse Practitioner in a major hospital is seeing the majority of patients presenting with it as an upper respiratory infection and inhalers are being prescribed to assist.  Those more serious are the younger ones and those not vaccinated.  She has even seen those vaccinated and elderly being affected to the point of needing to have a respiratory therapist give them breathing treatments with medication using the BIPAP machines to force the medication down into the lungs to help them breathe better.  She says that as busy as they are this is no way near as severe as the Delta wave.

want to hear my story of having a really bad flu 30 years ago

 

 

we all need to take stock of what is going on now, I read somewhere recently from a virologist that we are now dealing with a completly different disease - I believe him

[smedly]

4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

So you agree with me.... no need to expound then.

that severely cut post could get you to my ignore list - not impressed 

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Exactly, 2 of my 3 grown adult children in the US picked up Omicron.  The duaghter, 22, cleared it in 3 days after coming down with it and testing positive.  Son, in the military, 24, Has had it now for 7 days and he says it is like a bad case of the flu that he can not shake.  He has been isolated from his unit and is taking medicines prescribed.  Just this morning, our time here, he started feeling better.  So yes as with any cold, flu, virus or whatever, even being vaccinated it can affect folks differently.  Both of them are vaccinated with Pfizer.  Daughter just yesterday was boosted with Moderna.  The oldest a surgical ICU Nurse Practitioner in a major hospital is seeing the majority of patients presenting with it as an upper respiratory infection and inhalers are being prescribed to assist.  Those more serious are the younger ones and those not vaccinated.  She has even seen those vaccinated and elderly being affected to the point of needing to have a respiratory therapist give them breathing treatments with medication using the BIPAP machines to force the medication down into the lungs to help them breathe better.  She says that as busy as they are this is no way near as severe as the Delta wave.

I'm afraid underplaying Omicron as just a cold is a false and dangerous premise as is saying its far more virulent.

 

Its got teeth for some and is killing people daily, a common cold does not kill, Omicron can. Its milder yes and we can learn to live with it. However this mild cold nonsense does not help and is not the reality.

 

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, smedly said:

we all need to take stock of what is going on now, I read somewhere recently from a virologist that we are now dealing with a completly different disease - I believe him

Yes, that appears true... and Governments are struggling to adapt and falling back on the policies applied to the prior strains. Until they are very  very sure that is the case, likely they fear getting it wrong. Australia has changed policy, England appears to have shifted and not applying more restrictions.... bit of a Russian roulette at the moment.

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm afraid underplaying Omicron as just a cold is a false and dangerous premise as is saying its far more virulent.

 

Its got teeth for some and is killing people daily, a common cold does not kill, Omicron can. Its milder yes and we can learn to live with it. However this mild cold nonsense does not help and is not the reality.

 

 

That's what my post indicated, at least I thought it did.  Especially with my Daughters experiences treating it on the front lines.

Edited January 5, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Thats what my post indicated, at least I thought it did.  Especially with my Daughters experiences treating it on the front lines.

yep I was agreeing with you, sorry should have made that clearer

[cheapcanuck]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

will be isolated at home or at facilities designated by the state.

Humm...put the infected in internment camps...is what they are really saying.

[vandeventer]

15 hours ago, Petey11 said:

I know of infected persons, at least 2 thinking it's ok to pop down 7 eleven or go and grab some take out food. I personally had a yakking at them. This is the problem with home isolation, not only in Thailand but everywhere.

Your not going to stop Omicron get over it, no country can!

[robblok]

16 hours ago, Petey11 said:

I know of infected persons, at least 2 thinking it's ok to pop down 7 eleven or go and grab some take out food. I personally had a yakking at them. This is the problem with home isolation, not only in Thailand but everywhere.

Indeed and idiots like that are the ones that make them mandate state isolation because some idiots cant follow simple rules.

[robblok]

17 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Your not going to stop Omicron get over it, no country can!

Your attitude is what will make home quarantine unavailable. 

[snowgard]

7 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

UK today 218,000 cases, 45 deaths  - survival rate on that ( if stays same) is 99.97%. up. It's all nonsense now. 33% of all those going into uk hospitals with covid are going in due other things than covid now but recorded as covid hospital admissions. Ttoal scare mongering and pingdemic foolishness

Now they just be infected. Wait 14-30 days and you will see how many survive or died!!! 

[Captor]

17 hours ago, fangless said:

So why the $£$£ are their all these restrictions.  The bloodly flu is worse!

And The road death is worse!

[superal]

17 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Some infected ladies in isolation were asking to come to my place for fun and profit. 

You mean they want to play cards or connect 4 for money ?????

[Sametboy2019]

14 hours ago, Puccini said:

Do the PCR tests performed in Thailand automatically identify the SARS-Cov-2 variants of persons who test positive?

Apparently it picks up all coronaviruses

[khunjeff]

13 minutes ago, Sametboy2019 said:

14 hours ago, Puccini said:

Do the PCR tests performed in Thailand automatically identify the SARS-Cov-2 variants of persons who test positive?

Apparently it picks up all coronaviruses

The PCR test should be positive for people infected with omicron, yes, but I think what @Puccini was asking was whether the PCR test would also identify the specific variant when it gives a positive result, and to that the answer is no - additional tests need to be run on the sample.

 

"Fewer than half of UK labs have the required technology to detect suspected Omicron cases. This means that in some areas, it may be detected more quickly than in others.

 

Confirming that a suspected case is Omicron requires a full genetic analysis, which takes between four and five days."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59460252

[Sametboy2019]

44 minutes ago, khunjeff said:

The PCR test should be positive for people infected with omicron, yes, but I think what @Puccini was asking was whether the PCR test would also identify the specific variant when it gives a positive result, and to that the answer is no - additional tests need to be run on the sample.

 

"Fewer than half of UK labs have the required technology to detect suspected Omicron cases. This means that in some areas, it may be detected more quickly than in others.

 

Confirming that a suspected case is Omicron requires a full genetic analysis, which takes between four and five days."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59460252

If the test picks up all coronaviruses then would it not pick up the common cold?

[chilly07]

19 hours ago, Petey11 said:

I know of infected persons, at least 2 thinking it's ok to pop down 7 eleven or go and grab some take out food. I personally had a yakking at them. This is the problem with home isolation, not only in Thailand but everywhere.

Yes family near us didn't tell neighbours they had Covid until ambulance came and none of them had bothered to get injections. Now all the neighbours are panicking and getting tests

[herfiehandbag]

15 hours ago, Sametboy2019 said:

We know that tourists get taken to the hospital and hit with a big check. Anyone have any knowledge of what happens if you live here and are Farang?

Make it known, from the start, that you do not have the money to pay those sort of bills.

 

I'll bet the enthusiasm for conveying you to a "partner hospital" will fade rapidly.

[sandyf]

2 hours ago, Sametboy2019 said:

If the test picks up all coronaviruses then would it not pick up the common cold?

The test is covid specific, copy of mine from quarantine.

[Mr Derek]

7 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The test is covid specific, copy of mine from quarantine.

Well, either it's Covid-19 specific, as this implies, or it "targets genes common to all coronaviruses" as stated in the information above. One of those is untrue. Which is it?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if nobody really knows. That's how nuts this whole situation is. Governments, WHO, academia, pharma, the media, and human society in general are by now bankrupt of all credibility.

To hell with them all. For some time now I listen only to my own judgement.

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Mr Derek

[Mr Meeseeks]

7 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

The answer is "because they can".  Same applies all over the world. 

 

Scotland as of yesterday had one single case in ICU - but full on Stalinist totalitarianism, including purges of dissenters being undertaken by the Stazi police.

Hopefully the end of the traitorous Socialists in the SNP including wee Nippy.

Edited January 5, 2022 by Mr Meeseeks

[sandyf]

12 minutes ago, Mr Derek said:

Well, either it's Covid-19 specific, as this implies, or it "targets genes common to all coronaviruses" as stated in the information above. One of those is untrue. Which is it?

 

I think the text was misleading.

All coronaviruses have an RNA target, that does not mean they would all look the same. Any test would look for a specific target and in this case it is SARS - COV2.

I have another certificate issued in The UK and that one states the test is intended for the detection of SARS-Cov-2 genomic RNA extracted from the upper respiratory tract.

I have had 7 PCR tests and all presented slightly differently.

 

Although the common cold is usually caused by rhinoviruses,^[93] in about 15% of cases the cause is a coronavirus.^[94] The human coronaviruses HCoV-OC43, HCoV-HKU1, HCoV-229E, and HCoV-NL63 continually circulate in the human population in adults and children worldwide and produce the generally mild symptoms of the common cold.^[87] The four mild coronaviruses have a seasonal incidence occurring in the winter months in temperate climates.^[95][96] There is no preponderance in any season in tropical climates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Infection_in_humans

[sandyf]

31 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Hopefully the end of the traitorous Socialists in the SNP including wee Nippy.

It may come as a surprise to you but people voted for the SNP, just as they did for BOJO and the gang of thieves.

[Dumbfounded]

Who wants to spend 2022 mostly in self or forced isolation? Ok so you test positive but are asymptomatic so you do the self isolation and then go back out to the shops/restaurants and get reinfected but still asymptomatic are you going to rinse & repeat? The way Omicron is so contagious would seem to make that quite possible. If I have to live like that I want to be stuck in the Hugh Hefner mansion with his nurses

[internationalism]

On 1/5/2022 at 2:50 PM, Mr Meeseeks said:

Hopefully the end of the traitorous Socialists in the SNP including wee Nippy.

"S" in SNP stands for scotland, not for socialism. "N" stands for nationalist, something opposite to what internationalist socialism stands for. 
 

i have tested positive on arrival or exaggerated my symptoms for 2 reasons. I wanted to end up in hospital, and not in offered me hospitel, to be sure my insurance would cover me. I have dhippaya and they suppose to cover asymptomatic. That what they said a year ago, when i was buying their policy. How is there in practise i dont know and dont want to find the hard way, as the other did. 
secondly, i had recent bacterial lung infection, which required 4 nights hospitalisation on antibiotic drip. 
My case turns up very mild, so far., but can turn for the worse at anytime. 
hospital is definitely not getting me off to hospitel. Home isolation was never mentioned. 
i have refused all medication (bar a bottle of kamomille, for which i hope i wont be ripped off - in pharmacy 20ml special edition is only 145b), because their mark up is up to 3500% (that is for favipiravir).

with added meds to my bill it might turn above 100k cover from dhippaya. 
I have carefully chosen my hotel, which is associated with a moderately priced hospital (80k for mild symptomatic). Some other hospitals (i have contacted them directly and indirectly) charge 100-300k for same. 
but out of this ordeal i might turn out reacher by 200k from yet another insurance windfall  (i hope before before they file for bankruptcy within days or weeks). 

[Oracle2022]

On 1/5/2022 at 8:03 AM, Bkk Brian said:

I'm afraid underplaying Omicron as just a cold is a false and dangerous premise as is saying its far more virulent.

 

Its got teeth for some and is killing people daily, a common cold does not kill, Omicron can. Its milder yes and we can learn to live with it. However this mild cold nonsense does not help and is not the reality.

 

 

The common cold kills people. Some of the same people who die from flu, and die from Covid.

 

Can you die from a common cold? (theconversation.com)

 

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[josephbloggs]

On 1/4/2022 at 8:52 PM, kotsak said:

 

So, does that mean they will let a foreigner self isolate?

 

Yes, of course it does.