Anutin: Thailand's handling of the pandemic "best in the world"

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, khunPer said:

When looking at facts - i.e. number of deaths with Covid-19 per million - is he actually fairly correct, even some may not appreciate it.

 

Thailand has 322 deaths per million population as per today.

 

Lets compare with death per million in some major Western countries...

Canada: 940

France: 2.083

Germany: 1,445

Italy: 2,530

Sweden: 1,648

Switzerland: 1,498

UK: 2,342

USA: 2,868

and the World in average: 756

 

If tests per million had any significant value, then Denmark would be number one in the World, no other country comes near to the number of Danish's tests with 10,441,550 tests taken per million inhabitants; number two on the list is Italy with only 2,975,910 tests per million. For Denmark that number means that whole population have been tested more than 10 times, yet 10-20 percent of the population have never been near a test-site.

 

So how well has Denmark then performed during the pandemic in the figure that matters, namely number of deaths per million?
Denmark should be outstanding, if tests has major protection value, but unfortunately the fact is 730 death per million population.

 

Note that Thailand - number 146 down the list in Covid-tests per million - has only 322 death per million population.

However with Denmark's high testing numbers what it does do is give a much more accurate picture of the true covid death toll. In Thailand the actual death toll from COVID-19 is likely to be higher than the number of confirmed deaths – this is due to limited testing.

 

The only way to give a better comparison with Denmark for instance is to look at the excess deaths and there we can see the difference.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

[Thailand]

He is the number one advocate for the recently legalised Cannabis, perhaps he is testing it out too often?

[pomchop]

I miss Taksin....at least he was competent and got elected rather than seizing power via a coup.

[Blumpie]

I'm pretty drank but even drunk as hell this headline is preposhteroush (sic).  

[khunpa]

41 minutes ago, khunPer said:

When looking at facts - i.e. number of deaths with Covid-19 per million - is he actually fairly correct, even some may not appreciate it.

 

Thailand has 322 deaths per million population as per today.

 

Lets compare with death per million in some major Western countries...

Canada: 940

France: 2.083

Germany: 1,445

Italy: 2,530

Sweden: 1,648

Switzerland: 1,498

UK: 2,342

USA: 2,868

and the World in average: 756

 

If tests per million had any significant value, then Denmark would be number one in the World, no other country comes near to the number of Danish's tests with 10,441,550 tests taken per million inhabitants; number two on the list is Italy with only 2,975,910 tests per million. For Denmark that number means that whole population have been tested more than 10 times, yet 10-20 percent of the population have never been near a test-site.

 

So how well has Denmark then performed during the pandemic in the figure that matters, namely number of deaths per million?
Denmark should be outstanding, if tests has major protection value, but unfortunately the fact is 730 death per million population.

 

Note that Thailand - number 146 down the list in Covid-tests per million - has only 322 death per million population.

The question is, which country (Denmark or Thailand) would be most likely to come up with the true numbers? 

[trainman34014]

Thailand........' Hub of Arrogant Obnoxious Chest Beating Hi So's '........they are certainly Number 1 at that !

[Cake Monster]

Is there anything more Vomit inducing than this Buffoon bigging things

1 hour ago, Misterwhisper said:

What an obnoxious, arrogant, deluded, narcissistic and self-aggrandizing man. He disgusts me.

 

Good job!

 

Millions out of work.

Crime sharply increasing.

Xenophobia on the rise.

Households ever deeper in debt.

A once flourishing tourism industry destroyed to the point of non-recovery.

 

Should I go on?

You forgot the ever increasing Public Debt to GDP Ratio

Is there anything more Vomit inducing than this Man bigging things up. 

[Cleareye]

Next prime minister for sure. He has all the right qualifications: arrogance, ignorance, inflated ego, irresponsibility, dishonesty, xenophobia...

[Thailand]

5 minutes ago, Cleareye said:

Next prime minister for sure. He has all the right qualifications: arrogance, ignorance, inflated ego, irresponsibility, dishonesty, xenophobia...

And unhealthily wealthy!

[khunPer]

34 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

However with Denmark's high testing numbers what it does do is give a much more accurate picture of the true covid death toll. In Thailand the actual death toll from COVID-19 is likely to be higher than the number of confirmed deaths – this is due to limited testing.

 

The only way to give a better comparison with Denmark for instance is to look at the excess deaths and there we can see the difference.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Thanks for your comment.

 

Yes, excess mortality is indeed relevant, but you need to look at the accumulated numbers to compare, and what other factors might be relevant. For example there has been little to no influenza in Denmark during the Covid pandemic. In Denmark an influenza epidemic, like the one in 2017-2018, can kill more people during one season (2,822), than the Covid pandemic did in one year (total deaths in two years are 4,250). During the Covid-pandemic there have been recorded between 1 and maximum less than 25 influenza-cases per week, not death, so specified influenza don't appear in the stats. For the season 2019-2020, where Covid arrived in 2020 by the time influenza normally would peak, the number of influenza deaths were 119, in average it would be 700 or more.

 

The point is that it's extremely difficult to compare data when there are no significant differences.

 

However there are significant differences in the number of Covid test per million between Denmark and all other nations - five times as many as number two in the cahrt - but that is not shown in similar lower number of deaths. And what about Italy, which is number 2 on the chart for number of performed Covid tests per million population; they should also be performing way lower than Thailand...

 

 

My point in my first comment is that even if some may not fancy khun Anutin - and even he sometimes makes some odd statements - then statistics talks in his favor here, Thailand has not performed that bad during the Covid-pandemic, when it comes to health and deaths...????

[khunPer]

48 minutes ago, khunpa said:

The question is, which country (Denmark or Thailand) would be most likely to come up with the true numbers? 

Actually, you cannot trust the Danish numbers - they are politically manipulated - which you can find more about if you Google news from Denmark; in fact the government's Covid-handling is becoming a scandal...

[big dendrobenaes]

4 hours ago, 2long said:

146th

1 & 46

4+6 = 10

So we have 1 + 10

1x0 = 0

So we have 1 and a zero, and the zero doesn't count for anything

Therefore we are left with 1, 1st, the best.

It's simple! ????

just what kinda maths is all this ?????

[Saanim]

2 hours ago, Willy Wombat said:

Too bad there is not decent media in Thailand to hold him accountable for his comments 

Frankly, do you know a country with a decent media?

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

He said that the vaccine program exemplified this and in response to questions about how long it will continue he pledged that the program will continue until Thailand is as safe as it can get. 

Like so many of his colleagues, a man who could have had a great career in stand up comedy. . 

[Henryford]

Best in the world for destroying their tourist industry, sure.

[Bkk Brian]

23 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Thanks for your comment.

 

Yes, excess mortality is indeed relevant, but you need to look at the accumulated numbers to compare, and what other factors might be relevant. For example there has been little to no influenza in Denmark during the Covid pandemic. In Denmark an influenza epidemic, like the one in 2017-2018, can kill more people during one season (2,822), than the Covid pandemic did in one year (total deaths in two years are 4,250). During the Covid-pandemic there have been recorded between 1 and maximum less than 25 influenza-cases per week, not death, so specified influenza don't appear in the stats. For the season 2019-2020, where Covid arrived in 2020 by the time influenza normally would peak, the number of influenza deaths were 119, in average it would be 700 or more.

 

The point is that it's extremely difficult to compare data when there are no significant differences.

 

However there are significant differences in the number of Covid test per million between Denmark and all other nations - five times as many as number two in the cahrt - but that is not shown in similar lower number of deaths. And what about Italy, which is number 2 on the chart for number of performed Covid tests per million population; they should also be performing way lower than Thailand...

 

 

My point in my first comment is that even if some may not fancy khun Anutin - and even he sometimes makes some odd statements - then statistics talks in his favor here, Thailand has not performed that bad during the Covid-pandemic, when it comes to health and deaths...????

Nothing to do with the flu being a factor, there was little or no flu in every country in the world including Thailand that put in place covid measures. The fact is excess deaths proves that Denmark was able to capture far more covid deaths than Thailand in its official count due to its testing and puts into perspective the true cost in Thailand for mortality.

[Willy Wombat]

11 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Frankly, do you know a country with a decent media?

Yes

[frankie machine]

always the jokester, this guy

[Neeranam]

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Really ? Thailand is 146th in test per million ! I guess if you consider 146th as first place then he's right

What has number of tests got to do with handling the virus?

[bluemoon58]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This clown would say or do anything, to deflect from his historic failure of the vax program, the highly selective shutdowns, the favoritism toward cronies, and the collapse of the economy and tourism

And let's not forget he called us "dirty farang" right at the start. How this muppet keeps his job is beyond me! 

[khunpa]

Great work! Especially when needing to beg for vaccines from other countries.

[vandeventer]

2 hours ago, Misterwhisper said:

What an obnoxious, arrogant, deluded, narcissistic and self-aggrandizing man. He disgusts me.

 

Good job!

 

Millions out of work.

Crime sharply increasing.

Xenophobia on the rise.

Households ever deeper in debt.

A once flourishing tourism industry destroyed to the point of non-recovery.

 

Should I go on?

And just think, maybe our next PM.

[Saanim]

41 minutes ago, Willy Wombat said:

Yes

Please share your knowledge...

[madmitch]

Other Governments around the world have supported those who have been out of work due to the pandemic. Most Thais have received <deleted> all from this Government, though of course the.likes of CP have increased their profits massively.

 

There's more to handling a pandemic than just the numbers of infections and deaths and though they may have good, if certainly inaccurate, figures, they've failed abysmally in the other aspects.

[Saanim]

36 minutes ago, frankie machine said:

always the jokester, this guy

An OP like this, what may possibly go wrong? (Surely not the number of clicks...) 

[Saanim]

4 minutes ago, madmitch said:

Most Thais have received <deleted> all from this Government

A misinformation - it should be deleted...

[new2here]

My take is that while I think their response was not flawless by any means, I ALSO don’t think it was a total failure either.

 

I agree with the general sentiment that their response might be best measured as “as good as any other”

 

Again, I am NOT overlooking any missteps they made — and YES, they did make some… but… i must also acknowledge that this was (and arguably still is) an unprecedented event and one where there was no modern record of a previous event that a government could “go back to” and review and use the past planning as their blueprint.

 

But I do have to give credit that they did do somethings right… So I wouldn’t necessarily say they get a big “atta boy” pat on the back, i don’t think they should be condemned as a total failure either.. I think the truth from the macro level is that it’s a mixed result. 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Please share your knowledge...

I think any country that does not impose strict censorship and allows in depth investigative journalism has the basis for a broad range of good and bad media outlets. Many countries fit that description, not Thailand however.

[Scouse123]

This guy has more imagination than Walt Disney.....????????????

[Chongalulu]

5 hours ago, bdenner said:

Is there no end to the arrogance in this man?

A classic example of the Dunning- Kruger Effect.