Is Thailand doing enough for Ukrainian refugees?

[Grusa]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Such compassion.

That's a posh tent, for a refugee!

[realfunster]

3 hours ago, MasterBaker said:

they are not a refugees, never claimed refugee status and haven't been accepted as such by Thailand. SWIFT works in Ukraine, should not be a problem to access funds. Required travel insurance will cover repatriation

 

My word, I have read some heartless comments on here over the years but this takes the biscuit for totally lacking any human compassion. How the hell do you envisage they can travel home at the moment ? Let's hope their their travel insurance company office is not located in Mariupol, that would slow down their claim more than a bit wouldn't it ? Do you even think the country of Ukraine is "functioning" at the moment or perhaps a chance that much infrastructure has collapsed, things are not really normal and people perhaps have other things to concentrate on like avoiding artillery shells and fighting Russian tanks ?

 

There's a big clue in the OP, if you bothered to read it or perhaps the mere mention of the word 'refugee' left you triggered.

"It is a different situation for the Ukrainians who are here, as it would be unsafe for them to be forced to return home now. "

[DefaultName]

Please help the Ukrainians.

 

Russians though?  OK, these particular Russians may not have had anything to do with the war, but putting pressure on ALL Russians is the only way to influence Putin.

 

 

My hope is that one of the oligarchs is inconvenienced enough to "do something" about Putin - just like Putin has "done something" about those he disagrees with.  Live by the sword.............

[bbko]

What are the Ukrainian & Russian embassies doing to help their people?

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3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Not sure why Ukraine should be helped at all.  Amazing how their bad press of just a few years ago, has turned into, they are the victims now.

 

"the enemy of my enemy, is now my friend" comes to mind.

If by bad press you mean the loons who claimed that servers in the Ukraine were the ones targeting US elections and not the Russians, that a Ukrainina company was responsible for the fraud in counting  ballots, or that Joe Biden was in corrupt cahoots with the Ukrainian govt, then you don't have much of a point.

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Maybe you haven't heard the news. Ukraine is at war an invader. There are 10 million refugees and displaced persons out of a population of 40 million. 

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Particularly clueless meme. The West has already accepted 3.5 million refugees. And is massively helping the Ukrainian govt resist the invasion

Edited March 24, 2022 by Scott

[KhunLA]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Particularly clueless meme. The West has already accepted 3.5 million refugees. And is massively helping the Ukrainian govt resist the invasion

Ukraine actually didn't need much help, as Putin underestimated his enemy.  Only committing 200k soldiers, and matched what Ukraine has.  Not smart when you're the invading force.  Ukraine had more than enough armament left over from pounding the east for a few years to defend themselves.

 

Remember, they / Ukraine are, were, one of the top dealer of deaths, supplying arms to whoever had the money.  

 

Why Russian troops didn't swoop in for an easy victory.  They are running a bit low now, but so is Putin, actually on the border.  Both restocking ????

[KhunLA]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe you haven't heard the news. Ukraine is at war an invader. There are 10 million refugees and displaced persons out of a population of 40 million. 

Did Ukraine take in any refugees from all the countries their weapons were used against in global conflicts ?

[KhunLA]

24 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe you haven't heard the news. Ukraine is at war an invader. There are 10 million refugees and displaced persons out of a population of 40 million. 

10 million ... really ????  That's a lot.  Guessing a lot of them are glad they have a good reason to leave, and will now be accepted into the EU, without the immigration hassle.

 

So much for fighting for the homeland, and they seem happy to let Putin have it.  Guess the new regime isn't for everyone.

 

I don't pay attention to a lot any more, covid, putin, russia, Thai or US politics.  Only what affects me & mine, which is only US economy, actually the worst it is there, the better for me here.  Might actually get decent COLA next year, though doubtful. 

[Road Warrior]

    i agree 100% WITH  daveAustin 

[Joe Farang]

7 hours ago, Tarteso said:

Is Thailand doing enough for Ukrainian refugees?
 

Is Thailand doing enough for Burma refugees? ????

Is the West doing enough for Burma refugees?

 

Is the West doing enough for Afghanistan?

 

Afghanawhere !

 

Would Ukraine still be in the media if it wasn't a white European country?

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46 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

10 million ... really ????  That's a lot.  Guessing a lot of them are glad they have a good reason to leave, and will now be accepted into the EU, without the immigration hassle.

 

So much for fighting for the homeland, and they seem happy to let Putin have it.  Guess the new regime isn't for everyone.

 

I don't pay attention to a lot any more, covid, putin, russia, Thai or US politics.  Only what affects me & mine, which is only US economy, actually the worst it is there, the better for me here.  Might actually get decent COLA next year, though doubtful. 

Congratulations. Your comments have passed from being asinine to being repugnant. Ukrainian refugees are happy to leave their homes? Fearing being blown to smithereens has nothing to do with them leaving? And because they're fleeing for their lives that means they they're happy to let Putin have Ukraine? By your dim lights, if someone mugs you does that mean they didn't actually didn't rob you but rather you gave your wallet away because you didn't care for it or its contents anymore.

Actually, I didn't need you to tell me that you don't pay attention to what's going on over there. Your cluelessness comes through very clearly.

[sawadee1947]

12 hours ago, webfact said:

closed air space

There is always the way via China.

Send the Russians home. Immediately.????

And care for the Ukranians properly. Immediately. ????

[Rampant Rabbit]

The GREAT  THAI  ARMY could help with this....take them into the woods dig a  hole and bury them..............then let  anyone mentioning it leave immediately for Australia

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You got any figures to support your ridiculous claim that Ukraine had enough arms to defend themselves?

Ukraine was one of the top dealers of death? Maybe if 20th place is someone's idea of being a top dealer

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/arms_exports/#Ukraine

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[sawadee1947]

7 hours ago, wombat said:

UK is giving immediate 3 year visas with full NHS

This "Great" Britain gave only about 100 Ukranians shelter so far.

Judge yourself???? And compare to other airline Western Countries.

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2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

But have they stopped buying Russian oil & gas, and will soon be paying in Rubles.

 

Accepting refugees, from a country, they financed and supported a coup / regime change of, for the present administration to even exist.  Please ... the west caused the problem.

 

Sound familiar, disrupt, regime change, take in refugees ....

... a billion $$$$ business.  Rinse & repeat.  WAKE UP

 

Only surprise, people aren't blaming Trump.

Thanks for providing no evidence that the West caused the problem. But then, as you confessed, 

"I don't pay attention to a lot any more, covid, putin, russia, Thai or US politics.  Only what affects me & mine, which is only US economy,"

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2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Only surprise, people aren't blaming Trump.

You just can't quit him.

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Why would Ukrainians here need any help ?  Or Russians for that matter ?  They can return home anytime they want, if they want.

Saying the Ukrainians "can return home anytime they want" is like telling someone whose house is on fire that there's nothing keeping them from returning home.

[Excel]

Just now, placeholder said:

Saying the Ukrainians "can return home anytime they want" is like telling someone whose house is on fire that there's nothing keeping them from returning home.

Well by your analogy you must assume that every house in Ukraine is now uninhabitable.

[placeholder]

Just now, Excel said:

Well by your analogy you must assume that every house in Ukraine is now uninhabitable.

By my analogy I'm saying that Ukraine is a very dangerous place to return to. Analogies are wasted on the literal-minded.

[KhunLA]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You got any figures to support your ridiculous claim that Ukraine had enough arms to defend themselves?

Ukraine was one of the top dealers of death? Maybe if 20th place is someone's idea of being a top dealer

Emphasis on 'was', until 2014 (post regime change/coup), when they started using the stockpile to plummet the east of Ukraine/Donbass, since they controlled the coal exports & 30% of the GDP, or something along those lines.

 

Your graph is based on $$$$ value, yea, them high tech toys are expensive, but Ukraine held a high spot dealing in lower tech death toys:

 

"The defense industry of Ukraine is a strategically important sector and a large employer in Ukraine. After working for several decades mostly for the arms export markets, in 2014 it has moved significantly into increased Ukrainian military procurement since the start of the war in Donbas.

 

Prior to 2014, Ukraine's export-oriented arms industry had reached the status of world's 4th largest arms exporter in 2012. Since the start of the War in Donbas, Ukraine's military industry has focused more on its internal arms market and as a result slipped to the 9th spot among top global arms exporters by 2015, 11th spot by 2018 and the 12th spot among global arms exporters by 2019"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_industry_of_Ukraine

https://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/sierraleone/context.html

 

Ukraine #s from Wiki:

 

 

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[Millcx]

NO … Why should they when they are little marionettes for Putin and Xi … 

[placeholder]

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Emphasis on 'was', until 2014 (post regime change/coup), when they started using the stockpile to plummet the east of Ukraine/Donbass, since they controlled the coal exports & 30% of the GDP, or something along those lines.

 

Your graph is based on $$$$ value, yea, them high tech toys are expensive, but Ukraine held a high spot dealing in lower tech death toys:

 

"The defense industry of Ukraine is a strategically important sector and a large employer in Ukraine. After working for several decades mostly for the arms export markets, in 2014 it has moved significantly into increased Ukrainian military procurement since the start of the war in Donbas.

 

Prior to 2014, Ukraine's export-oriented arms industry had reached the status of world's 4th largest arms exporter in 2012. Since the start of the War in Donbas, Ukraine's military industry has focused more on its internal arms market and as a result slipped to the 9th spot among top global arms exporters by 2015, 11th spot by 2018 and the 12th spot among global arms exporters by 2019"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_industry_of_Ukraine

https://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/sierraleone/context.html

 

Ukraine #s from Wiki:

 

 

Please, I'm not going to give you a grammar lesson about the use of the past tense in indirect discourse. The fact is you wrote "Remember, they / Ukraine are, were, one of the top dealer of deaths, supplying arms to whoever had the money. ? You put it in the present tense.

As for the Ukrainians attacking Donbas, you may be one of the few people in the world who believe that Russian troops were not involved in the Donbas secession. Ukraine was defending its territorial integrity.

[TimBKK]

8 hours ago, FinChin67 said:

I have donated with my friends more than Thailand did… Anyways, each for themselves what feels right. 
 

If you do, do not donate through leechees such as Red Cross or others that use suffering children in their advertisement. 
 

https://help.gov.ua/en

You are particularly wrong about the Red Cross (at least the American Red Cross):

 

”the American Red Cross, for example, uses less than 10% of its budget for administrative and fundraising expenses, therefore spending over 90% of its income on programs that benefit communities, according to Charity Navigator.”  
 

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nancyanderson/2017/12/17/3-websites-to-check-to-be-informed-before-giving-to-charity/?sh=3b73b65e13f5

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/530196605

 

Great job on the donations you’ve made though, very generous of you and your friends ???? ???? 

 

[traveller101]

Question to KhunLA:

How much are you paid for this drivel by TASS / Sputnik / Russia Today aka Putin Propaganda?

 

[jollyhangmon]

2 minutes ago, traveller101 said:

Question to KhunLA:

How much are you paid for this drivel by TASS / Sputnik / Russia Today aka Putin Propaganda?

 

 

... yeah, the shillowickis are indeed swarming today, I've noticed as well. Must be the weather.

And gettin' paid SFA (and that in russky rubbles no less, 555) clearly shows in poor quality ...

 

[starky]

Why do these bozos keep grouping tje Ukrainians and Russians together? Its the Ukrainians that have been invaded that need help and refuge. 

 There is zero conflict on Russian soil and zero stopping them returning home.

[starky]

34 minutes ago, TimBKK said:

You are particularly wrong about the Red Cross (at least the American Red Cross):

 

”the American Red Cross, for example, uses less than 10% of its budget for administrative and fundraising expenses, therefore spending over 90% of its income on programs that benefit communities, according to Charity Navigator.”  
 

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nancyanderson/2017/12/17/3-websites-to-check-to-be-informed-before-giving-to-charity/?sh=3b73b65e13f5

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/530196605

 

Great job on the donations you’ve made though, very generous of you and your friends ???????? 

 

Australian red cross has a terrible reputation witheld millions of bushfire donations and underpaid staff for over a decade resulting in them having to pay 25 million in costs. To name just a couple.