Brake failure! Eight tourists survive after pick-up overturns on Phetchabun hill - PYB son not so lucky

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INN reported on an accident on a hill leading down from the popular resort area of Phu Thap Buek in Phetchabun, NE Thailand yesterday.

 

A black Vigo suffered brake failure and the driver lost control as they descended the hill.

 

Despite the pick-up overturning and possessions being scattered everywhere, no one was killed in the accident.

 

One was seriously injured, two had medium injuries and 5 escaped with minor injuries. 

 

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Meanwhile the same media also reported on a man in a pick-up who was not so lucky.

 

This was Jaturaporn, 28, who drove his vehicle into a pond after failing to negotiate a bend in the road in Thung Song, Nakhon Sri Thammarat, southern Thailand.

 

Divers found the vehicle in four meters of water but there was no driver.

 

Jaturporn was found ten meters away after a one hour search. The deceased is the son of a local village leader or phu yai ban. 

 

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[NE1]

Brake failure or just driving too fast for the road conditions .

[KhunLA]

So the brakes didn't actually fail, they just failed to stop the truck before it overturned.????

 

Thai Brake failure = driving too fast for condition, in the real world ... shh

[blackshadow]

HAVING DRIVEN FOR over 50 years I HAVE never had BRAKE failure during any of my journies ,,,,

It is a complete lie when thais come up with this excuse.......same goes for MICRO SLEEP !!!!

[worgeordie]

Brake fade, going down hill in top gear with foot on

the brake , brakes don't stop you when needed, you

should always used gears to slow down, when descending,

not the brakes.

regards Worgeordie

 

[msbkk]

To be fair this is a very difficult road even for experienced drivers. Steep declines with sharp curves. A lot of accidents happen there. And you have to use a low gear, otherwise brakes will overheat. Vehicles must be in good condition and drivers on full alert to be able to drive this road.. I went there several times riding my motorbike.

[toofarnorth]

20 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Brake fade, going down hill in top gear with foot on

the brake , brakes don't stop you when needed, you

should always used gears to slow down, when descending,

not the brakes.

regards Worgeordie

 

About to say the same , drop it in to a lower cog or if auto. next one down , as many of us say , the locals really have trouble driving.  When the wife's ma and pa come here they like me to drive them around . I haven't asked 'er indoors why .......I might not get the answer that I want to hear.

[taotoo]

39 minutes ago, blackshadow said:

HAVING DRIVEN FOR over 50 years I HAVE never had BRAKE failure during any of my journies ,,,,

It is a complete lie when thais come up with this excuse.......same goes for MICRO SLEEP !!!!

Yes, but then you probably don't drive down a long, steep hill in top gear with your foot on the brake pedal, then get surprised when you reach the bend at the bottom and pressing it down further doesn't do anything. These "brake failure" excuses could actually be real.

 

oops it's already been said, twice

[tracker1]

I wonder if there is ever any mechanical investigation into any of these so called brake failures or just an acceptable excuse ? I think it's the later !

 

[rwill]

How dare they blur out the license plate.  Those numbers must be really lucky.

[Mr Meeseeks]

3 hours ago, NE1 said:

Brake failure or just driving too fast for the road conditions .

I'll bet on the latter.

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, NE1 said:

Brake failure or just driving too fast for the road conditions .

Brake failure also seems to cover the inability to actually slow down or stop.

[GreasyFingers]

58 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

I'll bet on the latter.

Even Thais do not drive fast on that road. Try it one day.

[RocketDog]

3 hours ago, toofarnorth said:

About to say the same , drop it in to a lower cog or if auto. next one down , as many of us say , the locals really have trouble driving.  When the wife's ma and pa come here they like me to drive them around . I haven't asked 'er indoors why .......I might not get the answer that I want to hear.

' inlaws' maybe?

[Ralf001]

3 hours ago, taotoo said:

Yes, but then you probably don't drive down a long, steep hill in top gear with your foot on the brake pedal, then get surprised when you reach the bend at the bottom and pressing it down further doesn't do anything.

 

sounds like brake fade..... not failure.

[kokopelli]

Regarding brake fade, that was a common occurrence when drum brakes were in use but now almost all autos use disc brakes in the front which are resistant to fade.  Although if the pads are worn down to nothing then there could be failure.  Brake failure in Thailand is just an excuse for something else.

 

 

 

 

 

[digger70]

4 hours ago, taotoo said:

Yes, but then you probably don't drive down a long, steep hill in top gear with your foot on the brake pedal, then get surprised when you reach the bend at the bottom and pressing it down further doesn't do anything. These "brake failure" excuses could actually be real.

 

oops it's already been said, twice

They aren't brake failures they are Brain Failures.

[Crossy]

+++ on most of the above.

 

My dad, a coach driver for many years (winner of the UK National Coach Rally in 1959 - he's got a cup and plaque to prove it) always told me to go down a hill in one gear higher than it would take to go up it.

 

OK so this was in a manual diesel, but the same applies to an auto, select 3 or 2 or L and let the engine do the braking.

 

Obviously a pickup won't have a Telma or (heaven forbid) a Jake-brake but even so...

[Golden Triangle]

13 minutes ago, Crossy said:

+++ on most of the above.

 

My dad, a coach driver for many years (winner of the UK National Coach Rally in 1959 - he's got a cup and plaque to prove it) always told me to go down a hill in one gear higher than it would take to go up it.

 

OK so this was in a manual diesel, but the same applies to an auto, select 3 or 2 or L and let the engine do the braking.

 

Obviously a pickup won't have a Telma or (heaven forbid) a Jake-brake but even so...

I used to drive coaches on the continent, Italy, Germany, Austria etc, had a TELMA fitted, wonderful bit of kit.

[bunnydrops]

5 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Brake fade, going down hill in top gear with foot on

the brake , brakes don't stop you when needed, you

should always used gears to slow down, when descending,

not the brakes.

regards Worgeordie

 

I had an old 47 Dodge flatbed in the 70s. I was amazed that it still had the instruction book so I read it. I always remember where it said "Never go down a hill faster than you can go up". I'm sure with all the power in modern autos, that doesn't hold true anymore.

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, kokopelli said:

Regarding brake fade, that was a common occurrence when drum brakes were in use but now almost all autos use disc brakes in the front which are resistant to fade.  Although if the pads are worn down to nothing then there could be failure.  Brake failure in Thailand is just an excuse for something else.

 

 

 

 

 

Most pick-ups still use rear drum brakes.

[Lucky Bones]

25 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

I had an old 47 Dodge flatbed in the 70s. I was amazed that it still had the instruction book so I read it. I always remember where it said "Never go down a hill faster than you can go up". I'm sure with all the power in modern autos, that doesn't hold true anymore.

Perhaps wiser advice has never been given.

(Value on my part of hindsight).

[blackshadow]

6 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Brake fade, going down hill in top gear with foot on

the brake , brakes don't stop you when needed, you

should always used gears to slow down, when descending,

not the brakes.

regards Worgeordie

 

could also use the handbrake, gently!!!!!

[vandeventer]

20 hours ago, blackshadow said:

HAVING DRIVEN FOR over 50 years I HAVE never had BRAKE failure during any of my journies ,,,,

It is a complete lie when thais come up with this excuse.......same goes for MICRO SLEEP !!!!

The truck looks new. I haven't change my brakes in 10 years but I am always checking them. My car is a manual and I always down shift. Some people who drive automatics are very heavy on the brakes and never check them. Sadly this may be one or he was going way to fast.

[brianthainess]

21 hours ago, blackshadow said:

HAVING DRIVEN FOR over 50 years I HAVE never had BRAKE failure during any of my journies ,,,,

It is a complete lie when thais come up with this excuse.......same goes for MICRO SLEEP !!!!

Happened one time to me driving a works van, one hydraulic hose failed, loosing all brake fluid going down a hill, but i managed to control it, shifting down and using the hand brake. 

[Road Warrior]

brake failure ????  try speeding and /or incompetent driving 

[Liverpool Lou]

21 hours ago, blackshadow said:

HAVING DRIVEN FOR over 50 years I HAVE never had BRAKE failure during any of my journies ,,,,

It is a complete lie when thais come up with this excuse....

Brake fade, which causes the brakes to become ineffective, is not uncommon on hill descents such as the one reported in the OP.   Fade can be interpreted by the driver as brake failure, it is not "a complete lie by Thais".

[blackshadow]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Brake fade, which causes the brakes to become ineffective, is not uncommon on hill descents such as the one reported in the OP.   Fade can be interpreted by the driver as brake failure, it is not "a complete lie by Thais".

so use the HANDBRAKE gently !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you must have degree in brake fade

[blackshadow]

22 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Brake fade, going down hill in top gear with foot on

the brake , brakes don't stop you when needed, you

should always used gears to slow down, when descending,

not the brakes.

regards Worgeordie

 

just like my father taught me to do..........

[blackshadow]

23 hours ago, NE1 said:

Brake failure or just driving too fast for the road conditions .

driving too fast is my opinion