Electric Vehicles in Thailand

KhunLA · December 22, 2023

1 hour ago, idealistic123 said:

I'm interested in buying an electric car but know already that Thailand will only be my home for the next 3-4 years.

That's why I'm wondering if anyone has already sold an used electric car? Is there an actual used car market for these vehicles? If yes, how are the prices compared to regular cars?

Unless you just want better performance, it probably wouldn't be a good move, financially.

... 2nd hand market is really an unknown here

... new, better, same priced or cheaper is arriving every few months, so anything bought now, might be a hard sell, very hard sell, 3-4 yrs down the line.

And operating saving in such a short time won't be realized, and guessing break even at best, petrol savings vs depreciation.

On the flip side, if EV sales continue at the pace they are, and govt hold true on the EVs only in the future, the market and depreciation of ICEVs will get hit pretty hard, as they'll be on borrowed time. Not something that will happen in 3-4 yrs, maybe 5-7. Especially if ration of CS per EVs keeps at even half the pace, as there really are more than enough .... now.

josephbloggs · December 22, 2023

2 hours ago, idealistic123 said:

I'm interested in buying an electric car but know already that Thailand will only be my home for the next 3-4 years.

That's why I'm wondering if anyone has already sold an used electric car? Is there an actual used car market for these vehicles? If yes, how are the prices compared to regular cars?

I know one member on here sold his after two years for a 10% depreciation, but to be fair his was a very unique car and can't be considered normal.

Used electric cars: https://www.one2car.com/en/used-cars-for-sale?fuel_type=Electric&page_size=25&sort=registered_year.asc

Frankly some ridiculous asking prices. 800,000 baht for a four year old Nissan Leaf?? Outrageous.

For the crazy second hand prices you should just get a new one. A BYD Dolphin standard range is 699,000 THB, all the latest technology and safety, 400+ km range. An extended range is 859,000 baht with closer to 500km range - just 60k more than someone is asking for a four year old Leaf with maybe 200kms of range at best. So many more choices out there from Chinese brands.

Just go new, it is a buyer's market right now. I am shocked by the second hand prices.

vinny41 · December 22, 2023

3 hours ago, idealistic123 said:

I'm interested in buying an electric car but know already that Thailand will only be my home for the next 3-4 years.

That's why I'm wondering if anyone has already sold an used electric car? Is there an actual used car market for these vehicles? If yes, how are the prices compared to regular cars?

New cars prices start from B500,000 most new cars will include 1 years car insurance

Neta V for example as shown here

https://www.neta.co.th/en/promotion/promotion_ExclusiveDeal

https://www.facebook.com/NetaAutoThailand

If your only interested in a city car and not planning long trips check out Volt and Wuling prices start from B375,000 last time i looked

https://www.wulingthai.com/booking/air-ev

Used Car market is in early stages of development in Thailand

Byd has announce an inspection service for car sellers and buyers there was an announcement they are planning to start selling used cars sometime in 2024

https://mgronline.com/motoring/detail/9660000071390

Biggest problem at the moment for used electric cars in Thailand is for some reason Banks and Finance companies when applying for finance for used electric cars answer is computer says no

They offer finance for new EV's but not for Used EV's

Most of the Facebook groups pages state impossible to get finance for used EV's

I am sure their will be a used car market for EV's in the future

Majority of cars are purchased in Thailand using finance

josephbloggs · December 22, 2023

27 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

New cars prices start from B500,000 most new cars will include 1 years car insurance

Neta V for example as shown here

https://www.neta.co.th/en/promotion/promotion_ExclusiveDeal

https://www.facebook.com/NetaAutoThailand

If your only interested in a city car and not planning long trips check out Volt and Wuling prices start from B375,000 last time i looked

https://www.wulingthai.com/booking/air-ev

Used Car market is in early stages of development in Thailand

Byd has announce an inspection service for car sellers and buyers there was an announcement they are planning to start selling used cars sometime in 2024

https://mgronline.com/motoring/detail/9660000071390

Biggest problem at the moment for used electric cars in Thailand is for some reason Banks and Finance companies when applying for finance for used electric cars answer is computer says no

They offer finance for new EV's but not for Used EV's

Most of the Facebook groups pages state impossible to get finance for used EV's

I am sure their will be a used car market for EV's in the future

Majority of cars are purchased in Thailand using finance

Interesting that companies aren't offering finance for used EVs. I wonder why? As long as you can afford it why would they care?

I agree that buying new is the way to go as so many options, free insurance, better tech etc, and so cheap. Not sure I would be recommending a Wuling Air as they don't seem safe to me (personal opinion). Neta V is excellent though, a real bargain.

Pretty much all BYD models have superb safety and NCAP ratings.

Bandersnatch · December 30, 2023

Apologies that this video is in Thai. If it offends you, try watching with the sound off. The first 2 minute summary is all you need to watch

The video is about PTT’s newest station, with EV support designed in and not added as an afterthought. I particularly like the solar roof canopy, 6 fast EV chargers, BYD showroom, healthy food options.

Pib · December 30, 2023

I hope PTT does a better job of keeping their EV charging stations operational at above fancy/flagship PTT station.

Last week the wife and I did a "sight seeing" trip from our Bangkok home to Surphan Buri City over to Ayutthaya City and then back to our Bangkok home.....see the picture below with the blue marks showing our trip route...major highways for the whole trip. The trip was only around 230Km with no need to recharge with my BYD Atto which has a 480Km range; however, we did stop at three PTT stations along the way to take a bathroom/snack break/etc., and during these stops I wanted to do some DC Fast Charging "tests"....see if the charging stations worked. I'm already signed up with the charging app and have used it successfully 3 or 4 times as several PTT charging stations....however, on this trip there would be zero success at three charging stations.

All three stations had PTT EV Station Pluz charging stations with all charging stations being inop/broke/closed. At one PTT charging station someone had taped a torn piece of cardboard with the words of "broke" in Thai and at the other PTT station when I tried to use the charger I would get an "invalid QR code message" when scanning the QR code on the charging station and in the app the station didn't even appear...a PTT employee came over and told me the charging station is broke. I only wanted to use these chargers for a few minutes just as a "test" while we did our bathroom/snack break. And just before we got home (within the Bangkok area again) we stopped at a PTT station to buy some stuff at a restaurant before going home which was just a few kilometers away...I decided to charge for a few minutes as a test while the wife got the food but couldn't because in the PTT app the charger was identified as Closed (not booked...just identified as Closed in the app)....I have used this charger several times in my charging tests and it worked fine...but on this day it was coded as "closed." I checked the app the next day and that charging station was no longer identified a closed but available/operations.

Yeap, on our trip the three PTT charging stations I wanted to use just for a few minutes as a test I couldn't because they were inop.

TallGuyJohninBKK · December 30, 2023

1 hour ago, Pib said:

I hope PTT does a better job of keeping their EV charging stations operational at above fancy/flagship PTT station.

Funny thing, the wife and I just returned from a holiday vacation trip to Hua Hin...and while there, got a Grab taxi driving a BYD EV, which was a nice ride and nice vehicle, my very first time sitting in one.

I had my wife ask the taxi driver if he had any difficulty finding local places to charge his vehicle, and he replied he had no problem finding enough charging places locally.

On the way back to BKK, I did notice that a lot of the bigger gas/fuel stations along the highway now had/have various forms of "EV charging" signs up on their sign posts.... But, unlike you, I didn't stop our airport bus to see whether any of them were actually working! :tongue:

Pib · December 30, 2023

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I had my wife ask the taxi driver if he had any difficulty finding local places to charge his vehicle, and he replied he had no problem finding enough charging places locally.

On the way back to BKK, I did notice that a lot of the bigger gas/fuel stations along the highway now had/have various forms of "EV charging" signs up on their sign posts.... But, unlike you, I didn't stop our airport bus to see whether any of them were actually working!

TG,

Yea....I expect the taxi driver knows of every charging station in his drive/work area and I expect taxis also have access to chargers made only available to the taxi company they rent their taxi from (for those that rent vs own). But when a person, like you or me, might go on a long trip in their personal EV and must rely on charging apps to find operational "DC Fast Chargers" (i.e., fully charge your EV in 1 hr or less) along a several hundreds kilometers trip then that's when it can stressful especially if you are in a province that does not have any large city (i.e., in the country, sticks, etc).....the further you get from the Metro Bangkok area, Pattaya, places like that which have plenty of DC Fast Chargers the number of Fast Chargers go way down and the distance between them can start getting up to the 50Km ballpark before the next "one each" DC Fast Charger is located---and you just hope it works or is not being used when you arrive.

Some people often post ""zoomed-out maps of Thailand showing it covered with chargers....makes it look like there is a charger on every soi...every few kilometers....but as you zoom-in in many rural areas/off major roadways then the number of chargers goes way, way down...and many of then are 7 to 22KWH slow chargers (i.e., fully charging an EV could take 10 hours which no traveler is going to use unless having no other choice) vs DC Fast Chargers (50-150KWH ballpark which can fully charge a EV in 1 hour or less. 7-22KWH are more for home/local area use, hotel overnight use, etc.

But with above being said, there seems to be enough DC Fast Chargers available for any long trip "as long as a person plans ahead to say recharge with at least 25% charge remaining and that plan having scoped out more than one DC Fast Charger in the general area where a person plans to recharge since some chargers may be inop/in use when you arrive. Depending on where a person trip goes he may have access to many DC Fast Chargers along the way....but if the trip involves travel in the more rural areas of Thailand then more careful planning may be required due to fewer DC Fast Chargers.

Right now I've registered with 4 charging apps that gives me access to around 87% of the DC Fast Chargers in Thailand but if none or few of those chargers are along your particular trip or you let your charge get too low it can create the "EV range anxiety" that we hear about all the time. In some countries that EV Range Anxiety can be worst than others....like it common in the U.S. which is a BIG country with lots of rural communities......l......o.......n.......g rural roads where chargers are few. BUT here in Thailand...a much smaller country when compared to the U.S. mainland... for those of us who live in cities like Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, etc., and mainly travel to other cities then with just a little planning then range anxiety should be minimal to non-existent for your trip of a few hundred kilometers. And Thailand is adding more and more DC Fast Chargers everyday...at a very healthy clip....I just hope Thailand does a good job of keeping them operational 24 hours a day/7 days a week.

And yea....the ride in an EV can definitely be nice compared to a typical ICE vehicle. I have a 2009 Toyota Fortuner 3.0L diesel and now a BYD Atto 3 EV. Since I've got the EV I only drive the Fortuner every few weeks to exercise it a little, top-up the ol' 12V lead acid battery. Today was one of those days I only drove the Fortuner and after driving my BYD Atto 3 driving the Fortuner was definitely NOT as nice of a ride as compared to the Atto. The Atto is a smoother/quieter ride....the Atto has more get-up-and-go....and the Atto electric fuel cost is 78%/less cheaper per kilometer compared to the Fortuner diesel fuel cost per kilometer. But I still like the Fortuner in numerous ways that I won't go into.

Assuming my BYD Atto doesn't give me any problems down the road/over the coming years at this point in time I don't see myself ever buying another ICE vehicle like my 15 years old Fortuner which still runs great and looks great...I have taken good care of it since day 1....but now I only drive it every few weeks. Now don't get me wrong, ICE vehicles will still be with us for decades to come but they have probably reached a peak in total sales as EVs sales are growing fast in many countries like Thailand. Sales growth in every country will vary and I expect BIG countries like the U.S. that sales growth will be slower when compared to other countries like Thailand especially since Thailand is offering very good EV subsidies/tax reductions for at least several more years.

Oh yea, there are also a lot of videos on Youtube which try to make EV appear as a fad, say EV sales are tanking, EV batteries fail all the time, etc., but I think the great, great majority of such videos are made my folks/lobby groups who want to keep ICE vehicles sales and fossil fuel sales as high as possible as long as they can as EVs is the main factor which is causing a reduction in ICEV, gas sales. Just my opinion...everyone has one among other things.

Cheers and Happy Holidays

Andrew Dwyer · December 30, 2023

I registered for the ReverSharger app which is chargers at BYD Showrooms, Malls and Shell stations.

Requires a debit/credit and your tax information if you are to make a booking at Malls or Shell. The booking includes a fee of 10 baht an hour for DC and 50 baht an hour for AC.

You choose your length of preferred booking from 15 minutes up to 8 hours .

Charges seem to be, for DC, 7.5 baht per kw at pumps, 8 baht at BYD and 10 baht at malls.

For AC , at cafes, restaurants or guesthouses etc, the price varies from 5 baht an hour to 50 baht an hour with an overtime fee from 100 to 500 baht an hour, prices set by locations.

Some BYD Showrooms chargers are only available from Friday 10 pm to Monday 7 am , others don’t specify any times so maybe 24 hrs (?).

Initially i was keen to add another charging app to my list but this one seems a little vague with the strange booking process and fees, also the limited availability of chargers at some BYD showrooms.

But, have registered now so might just pull into a showroom sometime to see what the actual experience is like, not a fan of the booking idea.

Of course, some might be already put off by the request for tax information !! ( although if just using BYD locations that might not be required ? ).

JBChiangRai · December 30, 2023

6 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

I registered for the ReverSharger app which is chargers at BYD Showrooms, Malls and Shell stations.

Requires a debit/credit and your tax information if you are to make a booking at Malls or Shell. The booking includes a fee of 10 baht an hour for DC and 50 baht an hour for AC.

You choose your length of preferred booking from 15 minutes up to 8 hours .

Charges seem to be, for DC, 7.5 baht per kw at pumps, 8 baht at BYD and 10 baht at malls.

For AC , at cafes, restaurants or guesthouses etc, the price varies from 5 baht an hour to 50 baht an hour with an overtime fee from 100 to 500 baht an hour, prices set by locations.

Some BYD Showrooms chargers are only available from Friday 10 pm to Monday 7 am , others don’t specify any times so maybe 24 hrs (?).

Initially i was keen to add another charging app to my list but this one seems a little vague with the strange booking process and fees, also the limited availability of chargers at some BYD showrooms.

But, have registered now so might just pull into a showroom sometime to see what the actual experience is like, not a fan of the booking idea.

Of course, some might be already put off by the request for tax information !! ( although if just using BYD locations that might not be required ? ).

I registered too and was surprised to find they were already showing my previous car there in the list. I think the app and chargers are supplied by EA Anywhere.

TallGuyJohninBKK · December 31, 2023

17 hours ago, Pib said:

I expect taxis also have access to chargers made only available to the taxi company they rent their taxi from (for those that rent vs own).

Yea... I didn't think to ask the taxi driver guy about that possibility!

The Grab taxi guy we had sounded like he bought his own EV...because he wanted to....not because he had to or was required by Grab, etc etc...

He was a youngish guy, and seemed to be of the opinion that EVs are the future....

Gweiloman · December 31, 2023

35 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Yea... I didn't think to ask the taxi driver guy about that possibility!

The Grab taxi guy we had sounded like he bought his own EV...because he wanted to....not because he had to or was required by Grab, etc etc...

He was a youngish guy, and seemed to be of the opinion that EVs are the future....

I met a Thai tour guide a while back who bought a MG ZS EV. He piled up about 180,000 kms in a space of 2 years and he reckoned the car has paid for itself already just in fuel savings. He was so satisfied with his EV purchase that he recently purchased a BYD Atto 3 as well. He is not selling his MG though as having two’s better than having one, ain’t it?

Yellowtail · December 31, 2023

20 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I met a Thai tour guide a while back who bought a MG ZS EV. He piled up about 180,000 kms in a space of 2 years and he reckoned the car has paid for itself already just in fuel savings. He was so satisfied with his EV purchase that he recently purchased a BYD Atto 3 as well.

Fuel cost to drive 180,000km in my gen-2 Fortuner would *cost 501,226 Baht. What does a new MG ZS EV cost?

*Based on long term average milage of 10.77 km per liter of B7 at 29.99 per liter.

20 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

He is not selling his MG though as having two’s better than having one, ain’t it?

If you can only drive one or the other, wouldn't it take twice as long to save enough fuel to pay for both?

Bandersnatch · December 31, 2023

15 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

I registered for the ReverSharger app which is chargers at BYD Showrooms, Malls and Shell stations.

I also registered and I’m please to see that BYD is currently charging ฿8/kWh which would explain why on New Year’s Eve 4 chargers at my local dealer are free.

When I registered it asked me to enter my 17 digit vin

I was pleasantly surprised that the vin on the Seal has a QR code to allow copy the code and paste it in

Edited December 31, 2023 by Bandersnatch

Andrew Dwyer · December 31, 2023

45 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

I also registered and I’m please to see that BYD is currently charging ฿8/kWh which would explain why on New Year’s Eve 4 chargers at my local dealer are free.

When I registered it asked me to enter my 17 digit vin

I was pleasantly surprised that the vin on the Seal has a QR code to allow copy the code and paste it in

I didn’t copy the VIN number, does it mention what discount and rewards you get ?

Gweiloman · December 31, 2023

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Fuel cost to drive 180,000km in my gen-2 Fortuner would *cost 501,226 Baht. What does a new MG ZS EV cost?

*Based on long term average milage of 10.77 km per liter of B7 at 29.99 per liter.

If you can only drive one or the other, wouldn't it take twice as long to save enough fuel to pay for both?

Petrol costs around Thb 35 per litre and if I’m not mistaken, petrol cars are generally less economical than diesels?

As to why he wants 2 EVs, I didn’t ask why. Could be that he charges a different daily rate or if the tour group is bigger than 3 persons, he employs a second driver guide or maybe as a backup in case trouble develops with one or he has to send it into a workshop for some panel work or maybe his gf sold her ICEV and needs a car or, or, or…

Bandersnatch · December 31, 2023

Best Selling passenger vehicles in November

By segment - mixed EV and ICE:

Edited December 31, 2023 by Bandersnatch

Bandersnatch · December 31, 2023

10 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

I didn’t copy the VIN number, does it mention what discount and rewards you get ?

No, I will have to wait and see :dry:

Yellowtail · December 31, 2023

20 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Petrol costs around Thb 35 per litre and if I’m not mistaken, petrol cars are generally less economical than diesels?

Same model vehicle one with a 3L petrol and the other a 3L diesel, yes. But not a big fuel-hog like a 'tuna compared a little car. The petrol MG ZS apparently gets (per carguide.com) 14.1-14.9km per liter. So, using your 35 per liter for petrol and 14.5km per liter, the cost of petrol to drive 180,000km would be 434,483, about 15% less that what it would cost to drive the 'tuna.

Per the MG website, it looks like the base ZSEV is 949K and the base ZS petrol is 689K

Using the numbers above, you'd only start saving money driving the ZSEV vs the ZS petrol after driving 107,714km.

All of the savings discussed assumes the driver pays nothing for electricity, which is not likely.

In the six and a half years I've been driving the Fortuner, I've averaged 1,091km per month. Assuming my driving habits were similar, it would take over eight years to justify the extra cost of the ZSEV vs the ZS petrol.

Again, all this assumes I can get all the electricity I want for free.

20 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

As to why he wants 2 EVs, I didn’t ask why. Could be that he charges a different daily rate or if the tour group is bigger than 3 persons, he employs a second driver guide or maybe as a backup in case trouble develops with one or he has to send it into a workshop for some panel work or maybe his gf sold her ICEV and needs a car or, or, or…

I think people that want EVs should buy them, but unless they are driving over 10,000km a month, anyone thinking they are going to save significant money buying an EV is going to be sadly disappointed, unless of course they don't actually run the numbers. As long as they don't run the numbers, they can believe whatever they like.

I might buy an EV the auto show in April, certainly going to have a look.

Gweiloman · December 31, 2023

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Same model vehicle one with a 3L petrol and the other a 3L diesel, yes. But not a big fuel-hog like a 'tuna compared a little car. The petrol MG ZS apparently gets (per carguide.com) 14.1-14.9km per liter. So, using your 35 per liter for petrol and 14.5km per liter, the cost of petrol to drive 180,000km would be 434,483, about 15% less that what it would cost to drive the 'tuna.

Per the MG website, it looks like the base ZSEV is 949K and the base ZS petrol is 689K

Using the numbers above, you'd only start saving money driving the ZSEV vs the ZS petrol after driving 107,714km.

All of the savings discussed assumes the driver pays nothing for electricity, which is not likely.

In the six and a half years I've been driving the Fortuner, I've averaged 1,091km per month. Assuming my driving habits were similar, it would take over eight years to justify the extra cost of the ZSEV vs the ZS petrol.

Again, all this assumes I can get all the electricity I want for free.

I think people that want EVs should buy them, but unless they are driving over 10,000km a month, anyone thinking they are going to save significant money buying an EV is going to be sadly disappointed, unless of course they don't actually run the numbers. As long as they don't run the numbers, they can believe whatever they like.

I might buy an EV the auto show in April, certainly going to have a look.

You could well be right. I didn’t bother checking his maths, just repeating what he told me. But I understood where he was coming from. As a driver guide, most of his days are spent driving from one place to another, all over the country. He is undoubtedly saving a fortune on fuel given the mileage he does. Probably saves a lot on maintenance as well (engine oil, transmission oil, general servicing etc).

One thing that you are overlooking is that a petrol version and an EV version of the same vehicle might not be identical in all aspects, especially the performance and comfort levels. Not sure if you have test driven an EV. It’s hard to explain the nuances to someone who hasn’t but most EV drivers I know would not purchase an ICE after having driven EVs.

Bandersnatch · December 31, 2023

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I think people that want EVs should buy them, but unless they are driving over 10,000km a month, anyone thinking they are going to save significant money buying an EV is going to be sadly disappointed, unless of course they don't actually run the numbers. As long as they don't run the numbers, they can believe whatever they like.

Ok, I could have bought a Neta V for ฿500,000 or pushed the boat out and splashed ฿700,000 on an MG4 but instead I spent ฿1.6m on a BYD Seal AWD Performance.

I probably didn’t make this purchase primarily to save money. If my criteria was the cheapest car you can buy in Thailand with a 0-100kph in less than 4 seconds, then I bagged a bargain.

However, my car does provide the equivalent of 6 Tesla PowerWalls of backup power to my house now it really sounds like a bargain

I don’t have to pay to power my car if my journey is less than 600km, but this isn’t a huge saving.

I’m sure anyone buying a BMW M4 doesn’t brag about the savings so neither will I

mistral53 · December 31, 2023

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

Best Selling passenger vehicles in November

By segment - mixed EV and ICE:

Mind-boggling that the GWM Tank 500 at a price of THB 2,3 M is showing such a respectable sales figure - outselling established brands.

Missing in action in this list is the MG Maxus - plenty of those around here.

Yellowtail · December 31, 2023

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

You could well be right. I didn’t bother checking his maths, just repeating what he told me. But I understood where he was coming from. As a driver guide, most of his days are spent driving from one place to another, all over the country. He is undoubtedly saving a fortune on fuel given the mileage he does. Probably saves a lot on maintenance as well (engine oil, transmission oil, general servicing etc).

Ad indicated in my post, the guy driving that much can save some dough, particularly if they have a solar farm.

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

One thing that you are overlooking is that a petrol version and an EV version of the same vehicle might not be identical in all aspects, especially the performance and comfort levels. Not sure if you have test driven an EV. It’s hard to explain the nuances to someone who hasn’t but most EV drivers I know would not purchase an ICE after having driven EVs.

I'm not overlooking it, I just do not have the relevant information to include it. The EV would likely be quieter and perform better but would probably not be more comfortable. I've also not mentioned anything about the additional inconvenience associated with each. The it was just a quick cost analysis; I made no claim about one being better than the other.

Again, the best reason a new car is because you want a new car, and the best car to buy is one you like.

Gweiloman · December 31, 2023

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Ad indicated in my post, the guy driving that much can save some dough, particularly if they have a solar farm.

I'm not overlooking it, I just do not have the relevant information to include it. The EV would likely be quieter and perform better but would probably not be more comfortable. I've also not mentioned anything about the additional inconvenience associated with each. The it was just a quick cost analysis; I made no claim about one being better than the other.

Again, the best reason a new car is because you want a new car, and the best car to buy is one you like.

Gave you a thumbs up for your post as I fully agree.

Having previously owned premium brands such as Mercedes, Audi and Lexus (drove BMW’s but never owned one), I can genuinely hand on heart opine that my 1.7 million baht EV is as comfortable (if not more so). Even my simple farmer girl gf concurred when she sat in my sister’s Mercedes GLC.

Test drive a Haval H6 or BYD Seal. I bet you will be suitably impressed.

Yellowtail · December 31, 2023

6 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Gave you a thumbs up for your post as I fully agree.

Having previously owned premium brands such as Mercedes, Audi and Lexus (drove BMW’s but never owned one), I can genuinely hand on heart opine that my 1.7 million baht EV is as comfortable (if not more so). Even my simple farmer girl gf concurred when she sat in my sister’s Mercedes GLC.

How tall are you?

6 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Test drive a Haval H6 or BYD Seal. I bet you will be suitably impressed.

Don't like the look of the Seal, I do like the Haval and see a lot of them. There is also a dealer less than 500m from the house.

I like the look of the GoodCat but to tough getting in and out.

Gweiloman · December 31, 2023

Just now, Yellowtail said:

How tall are you?

Don't like the look of the Seal, I do like the Haval and see a lot of them. There is also a dealer less than 500m from the house.

I like the look of the GoodCat but to tough getting in and out.

1,8 metres. The Haval I have is the PHEV. 34 kWh battery, real world range of 150-180 km, depending on how heavy footed you are.

For my 2nd car, I chose the BYD Dolphin over the Good Cat because of V2L and boot space. Looks wise, my gf preferred the Meoww.

Yellowtail · December 31, 2023

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

1,8 metres. The Haval I have is the PHEV. 34 kWh battery, real world range of 150-180 km, depending on how heavy footed you are.

For my 2nd car, I chose the BYD Dolphin over the Good Cat because of V2L and boot space. Looks wise, my gf preferred the Meoww.

It does look like a chick car, but I don't care about that, I like chicks.

Andrew Dwyer · December 31, 2023

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

How tall are you?

Don't like the look of the Seal, I do like the Haval and see a lot of them. There is also a dealer less than 500m from the house.

I like the look of the GoodCat but to tough getting in and out.

I have a Haval Jolion ( the H6’s younger sister ) and a Seal, I love driving them both.

The difference between a SUV and a saloon is large but they are both excellent rides and quality in different ways.

Strangely enough the Seal has a larger storage capacity than the Jolion, which I would say is one of its downsides, the other being the fuel economy of 17.8 km/litre ( with my conservative driving ) not great for a HEV.

But i have enjoyed driving the Jolion nearly as much as i now enjoy driving the Seal .

At the end of the day enjoying owning and driving the car is the main point in my humble opinion.

Pib · December 31, 2023

19 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

I registered for the ReverSharger app which is chargers at BYD Showrooms, Malls and Shell stations.

Requires a debit/credit and your tax information if you are to make a booking at Malls or Shell. The booking includes a fee of 10 baht an hour for DC and 50 baht an hour for AC.

You choose your length of preferred booking from 15 minutes up to 8 hours .

Charges seem to be, for DC, 7.5 baht per kw at pumps, 8 baht at BYD and 10 baht at malls.

For AC , at cafes, restaurants or guesthouses etc, the price varies from 5 baht an hour to 50 baht an hour with an overtime fee from 100 to 500 baht an hour, prices set by locations.

Some BYD Showrooms chargers are only available from Friday 10 pm to Monday 7 am , others don’t specify any times so maybe 24 hrs (?).

Initially i was keen to add another charging app to my list but this one seems a little vague with the strange booking process and fees, also the limited availability of chargers at some BYD showrooms.

But, have registered now so might just pull into a showroom sometime to see what the actual experience is like, not a fan of the booking idea.

Of course, some might be already put off by the request for tax information !! ( although if just using BYD locations that might not be required ? ).

12 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I registered too and was surprised to find they were already showing my previous car there in the list. I think the app and chargers are supplied by EA Anywhere.

3 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

I also registered and I’m please to see that BYD is currently charging ฿8/kWh which would explain why on New Year’s Eve 4 chargers at my local dealer are free.

When I registered it asked me to enter my 17 digit vin

I was pleasantly surprised that the vin on the Seal has a QR code to allow copy the code and paste it in

Have you guys tried to add a "payment option" yet? I too registered for the ReverSharger app no problem but I can not add my Bangkok Bank Mastercard debit card which four other charging apps gladly accepted (i.e., PTT EV Station Pluz, Elexa by Egat, PEA, and EA Everywhere apps). I also tried a 2nd Bangkok Bank debit card with no joy. I haven't tried to see if the ReverSharger might accept one of my US credit/debit cards.

Andrew Dwyer · December 31, 2023

5 minutes ago, Pib said:

Have you guys tried to add a "payment option" yet? I too registered for the ReverSharger app no problem but I can not add my Bangkok Bank Mastercard debit card which four other charging apps gladly accepted (i.e., PTT EV Station Pluz, Elexa by Egat, PEA, and EA Everywhere apps). I also tried a 2nd Bangkok Bank debit card with no joy. I haven't tried to see if the ReverSharger might accept one of my US credit/debit cards.

It wouldn’t accept my Bangkok Bank debit card ( I put it down to it being that worse than useless UnionPay ) but it did accept my U.K. credit card.

To be honest I probably will avoid using the ReverSharger chargers unless I am in a tight spot for a couple of reasons.

I don’t like the booking idea.

The BYD showroom chargers are only on a weekend for some showrooms and at 8 baht they are not the cheapest.

But also, using my U.K. credit card will probably prompt them to freeze my card , they seem to like doing that if I have not used it for a while and have a transaction in foreign climes, which means I have to physically call the bank to in freeze it.

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