Cabinet divisions break out over U.K. plan to override Brexit treaty

[TropicalGuy]

15 minutes ago, LoeiI said:

Yeah damn democracy, are you a soldier by the way ?

Another Agitator Impervious to Reason & Facts. Accordingly Also Dismissed. ????

[LoeiI]

1 hour ago, TropicalGuy said:

Rees -Mogg speaks Clear Rational Truth . Smartest Guy in the Room. Should be and perhaps will be PM. Will go with his views every time against various bitter & twisted petulant false anti- UK <deleted> narratives????????

 

NI a Massive Financial Drain on UK.Demographics will eventually see it join Ireland. 

Yeah right the honourable member for the 19th Century, 53 years old and still getting his bum changed and put to bed by Nanny ????????

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

No interest in Customs Procedures only Outcome & Political Fix.

Meanwhile there is no effective customs control of goods entering the UK.

 

But you bit the bait and got wound up about the NI protocol despite the economy of NI out pacing that of the rest of the UK.

[TropicalGuy]

8 hours ago, robblok said:

Yes I understand things like that, however you don't just tear up agreements your OWN party negotiated. Anyway its not the EU that is at fault its your government. 

 

If the UK does break its word i hope tough financial sanctions will follow. Its just crazy to do such things.

Govts & Politicians Everywhere “break their word, including & especially EU in this case. Treaties are honored only when all parties remain satisfied. Twas ever thus.????

[TropicalGuy]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Meanwhile there is no effective customs control of goods entering the UK.

 

But you bit the bait and got wound up about the NI protocol despite the economy of NI out pacing that of the rest of the UK.

It is obviously not????????

[LoeiI]

16 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Another Agitator Impervious to Reason & Facts. Accordingly Also Dismissed. ????

Cheers ???????? never been called an Impervious Agitator before sounds cool tho ???????? 

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14 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Govts & Politicians Everywhere “break their word, including & especially EU in this case. Treaties are honored only when all parties remain satisfied. Twas ever thus.????

Really? Share with us some examples of treaties broken by the UK in the 20th and 21st centuries. How about the EU? This is nonsense.  Only roque nations make a practice of that. The article goes into some detail about very concerned the UK govt is about breaking international law by violating the terms of the treaty.

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, TropicalGuy said:

That’s why I said read the whole article including statements by UK Agricultural Minister forming the clear basis for the 20% figure????????

You are distorting what is explained in this article. Are you sure you have read it all?

 

The (unsubstantiated) statement was not about all border checks, it was about SPS checks (sanitary) and about a particular type of check (document checks, which are actually electronic transactions)

 

Quote:

"Mr McMahon’s statement does not say that 20% of all EU checks take place in the Irish Sea. He says that, based on a calculation, 20% of documentary SPS checks take place in NI – i.e. that one fifth of a certain subcategory of a certain type of check take place here.

When asked to provide details of how this calculation was made, a DAERA spokesperson said: “The AERA Committee was advised that from Jan-March 2021, evidence received from the EU TRACES database indicated that the volume of checks for products of animal origin at NI POE constituted approx 20% of the EU total.”

 

Moreover, the EC did not confirm this percentage

"From our SPS statistics (TRACES system), we can see that Rotterdam performs 33% of physical checks on food products of animal origin, while Belfast only performs 2% and Larne 1.5%. From this point of view, official controls at Rotterdam are definitely more numerous, and more in line with the minimum frequency rates for physical checks laid down in EU legislation."

 

On top of it, the 0.5% population argument is moot as a significant share of goods checked are not for the NI market and are ultimately going to Eire.

 

In brief, it is unsubstantiated, and concerns only SPS checks, and among SPS checks, only documentary checks (which, as the EC explains in the article, are electronic transactions)

Edited June 10, 2022 by candide

[GrandPapillon]

6 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

On the other hand, perhaps the " butterflies" have their hands full trying to persuade their partners to cave in to Russia over Ukraine?

the main EU partners will eventually cave in to Russia, that's a given, and just a question of time ????

 

[GrandPapillon]

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I thought Brexit was done?

 

 

thank god it is not, we need the entertainment ????

 

[robblok]

15 hours ago, baboon said:

What does that even mean? Proud to have emerged from the vagina of a British woman? I didn't exactly have a choice.

I have been talking with French and German friends who also emerged from French and German vaginas and hey! We seem to get along just fine.

Getting along being the point, despite the poison of the UK press. Let your hate die with you.

Nationalist are just people who haven't accomplished much themselves in their life so they need to be proud to be from a certain country as they can't be proud about what they have done themselves.

 

For instance when the Dutch win some soccer or Olympic medals loads of people feel proud to be Dutch then, I never really got that. I mean did they score the goals or did they win the medals? It's misplaced pride and only leads to conflict.

 

Try to be happy in your own life that all we can do. I don't really care where people are from as long as we get along have similar hobbies or ideas (and of course understand each other). 

 

I rather have a friend from the UK even a Brexiteer that likes working out with me then a bar fly Dutch. Its not about where someone is from but how much you got in common.

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or it could be, these Conservative MPs know that Johnson’s plans are against International Law.

Maybe.

 

But only if they haven't read Article 16.

[RayC]

55 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Govts & Politicians Everywhere “break their word, including & especially EU in this case. Treaties are honored only when all parties remain satisfied. Twas ever thus.????

"I am standing on a platform of increased duplicity and dishonesty" Who could resist voting for a politician like that?????

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

And i was taking a pot shot at the ancient thinking of Brexiteers linking it to the empire. You ultra conservative living in the past. Perfectly reasonable too.

Nobody has linked it to Empire. Except you. It's all in your mind.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Nobody has linked it to Empire. Except you. It's all in your mind.

Nobody linked it to Eu to sulking teen girl its all in your mind.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Try to come to terms with the reality, Washington is dictating to the UK the limits of what the UK can and cannot do wrt NI and the Good Friday Agreement.

Really? How do you come to that conclusion?

 

'Irish' Joe Biden making a few uneducated comments about it?  

[FritsSikkink]

16 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You must realise that situations change and if a Political party in Ireland wins an election , they may want something different to the previous Government, and so something needs to change .

   This is caused by the Irish electing a troublesome  Political party , instead of an agreeable one 

A party is troublesome because they don't want to be ruled by England?

[JonnyF]

19 minutes ago, robblok said:

Nationalist are just people who haven't accomplished much themselves in their life so they need to be proud to be from a certain country as they can't be proud about what they have done themselves.

You must have quite a low opinion of the majority of the Thai population. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

You must have quite a low opinion of the majority of the Thai population. 

This thread is not about Thailand or Thai people.

[FritsSikkink]

15 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, thats right .

The E.U is causing problems between the U.K.,  Northern Ireland and Ireland .

If you hadn't invaded Northern Ireland, it wouldn't be your problem.

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

This thread is not about Thailand or Thai people.

We were discussing nationalism which is very much related to Brexit, the subject of this thread.

 

I was pointing out that if you have disdain for Nationalists, it must apply to all Nationalists not only British ones.

 

It's amusing how certain people only dislike nationalists if they come from a certain country. Not naming names of course ????.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

If you hadn't invaded Northern Ireland, it wouldn't be your problem.

English people went to Ireland to grow food and cultivate plantations and they voted to be part of the U.K 

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

A party is troublesome because they don't want to be ruled by England?

No one is "ruled by England " , even England isn't ruled by England 

[JonnyF]

16 minutes ago, robblok said:

Nobody linked it to Eu to sulking teen girl its all in your mind.

Mine was clearly said tongue in cheek.

 

So you are saying that you were also joking and you don't really think the Brits that you so despise are obsessed with Empire? If so, we are in agreement.

[baboon]

13 hours ago, RayC said:

That has nothing to do with it. Some simple "'Yes'/'No' answer" questions:

 

Were the objections of the DUP to a border down the Irish Sea known before the Brexit Agreement was signed?

 

Could the reactions of the DUP to the UK disregarding the DUP's objections be foreseen?

 

Did the UK government enact any legislation to deal with the DUP's objectives immediately before or shortly after the signing of the Brexit Agreement?

 

Therefore logically,

 

Can the EU be blamed for the chaotic situation we now find ourselves in?

And the bonus question: which current British Prime Minister said “There will be no border down the Irish Sea - over my dead body!”

[TropicalGuy]

11 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

If you hadn't invaded Northern Ireland, it wouldn't be your problem.

Everywhere’s done invading & been Invaded. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, baboon said:

And the bonus question: which current British Prime Minister said “There will be no border down the Irish Sea - over my dead body!”

I dunno.............was it Margaret Thatcher ?

[TropicalGuy]

31 minutes ago, RayC said:

"I am standing on a platform of increased duplicity and dishonesty" Who could resist voting for a politician like that?????

Disappointing no doubt that the fraud Starmer nor any acolyte will never be PM ????????

[TropicalGuy]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Really? Share with us some examples of treaties broken by the UK in the 20th and 21st centuries. How about the EU? This is nonsense.  Only roque nations make a practice of that. The article goes into some detail about very concerned the UK govt is about breaking international law by violating the terms of the treaty.

 

 

EU behaviour over NI Protocol clearly in breach of “UK sovereignty” &  “good faith” treaty provisions. 

[TropicalGuy]

10 hours ago, RayC said:

Maybe. But the short-term omens don't look great and the payback period for these perceived economic benefits seems to stretch further and further into the future by the day.

 

How so? What positive difference has it made to the UK?

Control of borders & laws