Bill Clinton: ‘Fair chance’ U.S. could ‘completely lose’ its democratic system in coming years

[onthedarkside]

 

 

Bill Clinton says he’s never before been so concerned about the country’s foundational future, lamenting there’s a “fair chance” that the United States could “completely lose our constitutional democracy.”

 

The former president appeared Wednesday on CBS’s “The Late Late Show” and responded to a question from host James Corden that alluded to Donald Trump’s presidency without mentioning the ex-commander in chief by name.

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“I actually think there’s a fair chance that we could completely lose our constitutional democracy for a couple of decades if we keep making — if we make bad decisions,” Clinton, 75, said.

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Clinton’s remarks come a day after a poll found that nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. might “cease to be a democracy in the future.”

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bill-clinton-fair-chance-us-could-completely-lose-its-democratic-system/ar-AAYxNbJ

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

He's obviously right except I am very curious why he thinks democracy would be restored after a few decades. 

[vandeventer]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He's obviously right except I am very curious why he thinks democracy would be restored after a few decades. 

To start America is a Republic, and the hole that Biden is digging for America we may never get out of. He knows what he has to do so why doesn't he do it? Party first, America last? Why does he do this?

[Geoffggi]

4 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

To start America is a Republic, and the hole that Biden is digging for America we may never get out of. He knows what he has to do so why doesn't he do it? Party first, America last? Why does he do this?

Good Old Boy's syndrome ................

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

To start America is a Republic, and the hole that Biden is digging for America we may never get out of. He knows what he has to do so why doesn't he do it? Party first, America last? Why does he do this?

Such trivial nonsense. The United States is a democratic republic. That is, it functions as a democracy with certain limitations incorporated into its constitution designed to protects the rights of individuals against majority overreach.

[Caldera]

Unfortunately it would be a pretty small step from where things stand. Many news reports from the U.S. in recent years are fit for a Banana Republic, not for the leading country of the free world. 

[KhunLA]

Might ... ????

 

... it already has, long time ago ????

[mikeymike100]

“I actually think there’s a fair chance that we could completely lose our constitutional democracy for a couple of decades if we keep making — if we make bad decisions,” Clinton, 75, said.

Well having had "sex" with an intern and got caught, I guess he should know?? LOL

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

“I actually think there’s a fair chance that we could completely lose our constitutional democracy for a couple of decades if we keep making — if we make bad decisions,” Clinton, 75, said.

Well having had "sex" with an intern and got caught, I guess he should know?? LOL

Unrelated issues.

Also the problem wasn't actually the sex but lying about it under oath.

[mikeymike100]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Unrelated issues.

Also the problem wasn't actually the sex but lying about it under oath.

The reference was to making bad decisions. However you do realize it was meant to humorous? hence the LOL?

Edited June 17, 2022 by mikeymike100

[Lacessit]

IMO if social media continues to publish lies and fabrications without any semblance of fact-checking, Clinton may well be right.

TBH, I can't see any difference between Putin and Trump. One is a dictator who has shut down all independent media in Russia to promote his "special military operation" and "denazifying"  BS with the population. Trump would love to be able to do the same in America.

Admittedly Trump has not poisoned anyone, except with toxic rhetoric against his opponents. Both are identical in being thieves and sociopaths.

[kingstonkid]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Such trivial nonsense. The United States is a democratic republic. That is, it functions as a democracy with certain limitations incorporated into its constitution designed to protects the rights of individuals against majority overreach.

Venezuela was a democracy that had lots of money.  My question is why do they blame trump.  Whether he was a good president or not the socialist democrats have spent the last 5 years fixated on trump and have not tried to gain bipartisan agreement on anything.

 

It is time for the house and senatsnore to get new blood in charge.

 

It is time for younger leadership.

 

Trump is a master of illusion.  They're so worried about him they are not paying attention to the others.

[Anant72]

9 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

 

I suppose you would rush to live in the US if Trump came back to power. You could join the “Proud” boys  or the “Oath” keepers or both for good measure in order to keep America safe!  World leaders (which ones apart from Bolsonaro?) probably made fun of [Trump] but were also weary of his cozying up to Putin and his chum, the very democratic Kim Jong Un, he drooled over. Trump was the butt of jokes the world over, and rightly so, starting from those two who were playing up to his ego and naïveté. Dictators of the world unite!. As for making America great again, this just a slogan to attract morons Trump despises but uses to further his only goal: keep himself in power, like any other dictator. If, god forbid, he ever came back to power, 2024 would turn into 1984 and Joe would be the first victim. But we are not there yet. Many things may happen until then.

[vandeventer]

1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:

Venezuela was a democracy that had lots of money.  My question is why do they blame trump.  Whether he was a good president or not the socialist democrats have spent the last 5 years fixated on trump and have not tried to gain bipartisan agreement on anything.

 

It is time for the house and senatsnore to get new blood in charge.

 

It is time for younger leadership.

 

Trump is a master of illusion.  They're so worried about him they are not paying attention to the others.

I hear Liz Chaney might try to be the next leader of the Democrat party as she may only have a 10% chance of winning the house in her state AT 55 years old she might be the new blood they need but don't turn your back.

[SunnyinBangrak]

18 minutes ago, Anant72 said:

I suppose you would rush to live in the US if Trump came back to power. You could join the “Proud” boys  or the “Oath” keepers or both for good measure in order to keep America safe!  World leaders (which ones apart from Bolsonaro?) probably made fun of the red haired clown but were also weary of his cozying up to Putin and his chum, the very democratic Kim Jong Un, he drooled over. Trump was the butt of jokes the world over, and rightly so, starting from those two who were playing up to his ego and naïveté. Dictators of the world unite!. As for making America great again, this just a slogan to attract morons Trump despises but uses to further his only goal: keep himself in power, like any other dictator. If, god forbid, he ever came back to power, 2024 would turn into 1984 and street Joe would be the first victim. But we are not there yet. Many things may happen until then.

You do realize the US having cordial and respectful relationships with NK and Russia was a huge success for Trump. It was his art of the deal in practise, keeping everyone safer.

 

 Are you suggesting that NK resuming its frequent missile testing and the US now being in a "proxy" war with nuclear power Russia is a GOOD thing? That Biden did well? 

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You do realize the US having cordial and respectful relationships with NK and Russia was a huge success for Trump. It was his art of the deal in practise, keeping everyone safer.

 

 Are you suggesting that NK resuming its frequent missile testing and the US now being in a "proxy" war with nuclear power Russia is a GOOD thing? That Biden did well? 

Trump attempted to facilitate Putin's invasion of Ukraine by blocking weapons supplies. Trump is Putin's Manchurian Candidate.

[bocaBob]

22 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Trump attempted to facilitate Putin's invasion of Ukraine by blocking weapons supplies. Trump is Putin's Manchurian Candidate.

If you happen to be a Ukrainian, were you better off with Trump?

[candide]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You do realize the US having cordial and respectful relationships with NK and Russia was a huge success for Trump. It was his art of the deal in practise, keeping everyone safer.

 

 Are you suggesting that NK resuming its frequent missile testing and the US now being in a "proxy" war with nuclear power Russia is a GOOD thing? That Biden did well? 

NK resumed its frequent missile testing early 2019. Experts think that the pause between 2017 and 2019 was corresponding to the timing of different R&D programs.

 

In case you did not notice, during Trump's mandate, there has been a pandemic and energy price was low. It wasn't a good time for Russia to start a war with a rather large country such as Ukraine.

 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

I hear Liz Chaney might try to be the next leader of the Democrat party as she may only have a 10% chance of winning the house in her state AT 55 years old she might be the new blood they need but don't turn your back.

Impossible. Her views are very right wing. She could start a third party of real anti Trumpist republicans though.

[jingjai9]

Bill Clinton needs to reflect a bit on what part he took in diminishing democracy. First of all, during his terms in office many regulations on large corporations were relaxed enabling multiple mergers, thus lessening competition. Next, during Clinton's years in office, the Glass- Steagall act was repealed ending many banking regulations which in turn opened the doors for banks to engage in riskier investments and plod in financial endeavors that had been restricted since the Great Depression.

 

How does this threaten democracy? Corporations are more powerful than ever in 2022. 

The relaxing of regulations on banks fast forwarded the flow of money into the political system Thus creating the financial means for corporations to hire a multitude of lobbyists to do their bidding in Washington.

 

Clinton was creative in his efforts to raise money for the Democrats. In one of his classic Clintonian  bids to raise money, he auctioned off one night lodging in the Lincoln room at the White House to the highest bidder. This shed light on a new political culture emerging in the USA in the 1990s: namely that anything was fair game and open to commodification.  In his zeal to raise money, Clinton stained one of the American people's most cherished landmarks: The White House.

 

This has devolved into our current situation where we have members of Congress "whoring for corporations".  Members of Congress are beholden to the wealthy donors. When nearly 50% of Americans favor gun regulation, yet Congress takes no action and when nearly  50% of the people in the US are pro-choice, yet abortion rules seem to be tightening year by year, I would say representative democracy is being strangled.

Clinton is not responsible for all of this but he certainly got the ball rolling much faster during his eight years in office. His administration had a big role in creating the political culture we have today which many define as "less democratic."

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Anybody paying attention to the Jan 6 hearings will understand how near the US came to losing its democracy.

 

 

[vandeventer]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Impossible. Her views are very right wing. She could start a third party of real anti Trumpist republicans though.

Why is your party so scared of Trump? Biden has shown his hand and your party doesn't know where to go from here they lost direction. The only Dem. I ever like was JFK and he was center left and a great man

[BangkokReady]

16 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

there’s a “fair chance” that the United States could “completely lose our constitutional democracy.”

AKA: people might vote for the other side due to the madness of the left-wing.

[vandeventer]

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Anybody paying attention to the Jan 6 hearings will understand how near the US came to losing its democracy.

 

 

This one sided judge and jury comity that calls for testimony without any cross examination, only statements. A true kangaroo court.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

This one sided judge and jury comity that calls for testimony without any cross examination, only statements. A true kangaroo court.

 

All that testimony under oath from Republicans within Trump’s administration, even Trump’s own daughter giving evidence against her father’s lies, yes awfully ‘one sided’.

 

Let’s take the evidence to a criminal court and see how it goes.

[mikebike]

19 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

This one sided judge and jury comity that calls for testimony without any cross examination, only statements. A true kangaroo court.

 

A bit rich to complain when you are offered a 50/50 split and co-chair and McCarthy rejected it...

[DJ54]

IMO the politicians need to be accounted for by the people of the US. The party’s fighting instead 

of doing what’s best for the country and if any politicians fail to do their job fire them .. no benefits

get younger blood in the system .. thinkers not <deleted>

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Why is your party so scared of Trump? Biden has shown his hand and your party doesn't know where to go from here they lost direction. The only Dem. I ever like was JFK and he was center left and a great man

Because fascism.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/robert-paxton-trump-fascist-1560652

 

I've Hesitated to Call Donald Trump a Fascist. Until Now | Opinion

Edited June 17, 2022 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Anybody paying attention to the Jan 6 hearings will understand how near the US came to losing its democracy.

 

 

Still is.

[vandeventer]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Because fascism.

So you would prefer Marxism ?