Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

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Just now, tilaceer said:

"Are you telepathic?"
Telepathic is not the adjective I would have used.

Thinking of another kind of "pathic"?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

As I said, trump tactics, still avoiding the point made.

You've lost me .

What point was I avoiding ?

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Berkshire said:

If I can speculate for just one second.....which President would sell nuclear secrets to Saudi Arabia for $10 billion?

Biden--Nope 

Obama--Nope

Bush I and II--Nope

Clinton--Nope

Reagan--Nope

Carter--Nope

Nixon--Probably not.

 

Trump?

You bet your ass.

Not Joe - he would want much more.

[Tug]

Just lock him up allready we need to stop wasting time and energy on this criminal let’s focus on the accomplishments of our present competent administration we are moving forward at last if you dident get it on trumps  first day in office when the russans we’re in the Oval Office or the helinsky debacle ect ect ect on and on just lock that scoff law up allready

[Phoenix Rising]

22 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I did actually say that it could be a Political move .

I didnt say it was , just a possibility .

Its not beyond the realms of a possibility that left wingers would use the law to stop Donald getting elected again 

Like I said, straws.

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1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Not Joe - he would want much more.

 

We know that Trump's hotels have taken money from the Saudis who booked large numbers of suites. That's a matter of record.

What has Biden taken from foreign governments?

 

[Bkk Brian]

44 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Need to see the content first .

Trump still receives classified documents from the security agencies as all former POTUS's have  protection by security agents .

   Will have to wait until the content is revealed though......................unless the content is so secret they cannot tell anyone 

Biden Bars Trump From Receiving Intelligence Briefings

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/us/politics/biden-trump-intelligence-briefings.html

 

Can you prove a link to your claim that Trump receives classified documents still?

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Like I said, straws.

Are you saying that its a complete impossibility  that anti Trump people would try and use the law to stop him being re elected ?

   Recent events when the Left have been doing everything possibly to try and  get Donald jailed, seem to suggest that the Left would indeed try and get Donald arrested for having documents in his possession .

   Although I am not saying they did , just its a possibility  

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Biden Bars Trump From Receiving Intelligence Briefings

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/us/politics/biden-trump-intelligence-briefings.html

 

Can you prove a link to your claim that Trump receives classified documents still?

Link behind a pay wall and I cannot access it 

[Phoenix Rising]

14 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

You Dems. are trying to get Trump for Jan.6 nothing else. The RAID on his house was to get more info on anything he did wrong while he was President. This was another stupid Democrat plan to get Trump before he announces his plan to run in 2024 Well it backed fired and this has made him stronger than ever to run in 2024. Go Trump!!!

"You Dems. are trying to get Trump for Jan.6 nothing else."

 

No, you totally misunderstand.......again. "Us dems" will try to "get trump" for any and all crimes he's committed, and in no way is that limited to his attempted coup (which, to be fair, probably* is the big whopper).

That includes blackmailing foreign governments for his own political benefit, possibly colluding with foreign dictators and handing over state secrets, tax evasion, bribery, blackmail, rape, assorted other sexual misconduct, serial lying, having tiny hands, being orange. 

 

*Note that I'm saying "probably" because in no way would I be surprised if I woke up tomorrow and found out he's sold the nuclear codes to Russia.

[Bkk Brian]

26 minutes ago, Jerno said:

I'm far from Trump supporter but it's not "Espionage" that he did.  He apparently declassified documents, took them home but perhaps didn't follow step by step procedure when declassifying,  Declassification Forms not signed or whatever.  He will get a slap on the wrist penalty, though many hoping and erroneously expecting jail time.

So what did he do, wave a magic wand and say everything I take home is declassified and expect the due process to go through by itself?

 

Because National Archives disagree as they retrieved from Mar-a-Lago 15 boxes of records containing classified information earlier this year.

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Link behind a pay wall and I cannot access it 

Sure but first back up your claim:

"Trump still receives classified documents from the security agencies" with a link then I'll happily oblige.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Phoenix Rising]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Are you saying that its a complete impossibility  that anti Trump people would try and use the law to stop him being re elected ?

   Recent events when the Left have been doing everything possibly to try and  get Donald jailed, seem to suggest that the Left would indeed try and get Donald arrested for having documents in his possession .

   Although I am not saying they did , just its a possibility  

"Are you saying that its a complete impossibility  that anti Trump people would try and use the law to stop him being re elected?"

Since you're saying "use the law" and not "abuse the law" the my reply would be 'not at all'.

 

"Recent events when the Left have been doing everything possibly to try and  get Donald jailed, seem to suggest that the Left would indeed try and get Donald arrested for having documents in his possession ."

Recent events have shown no such thing. Recent events have strongly indicated that trump did indeed illegally take secret documents out of the WH.

Is it your opinion that such a possibly very serious crime should not be investigated and law breakers punished according to the law?

 

"Although I am not saying they did , just its a possibility"

Again, straws.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

He's already made a statement on Friday.

Trump himself said on his Truth Social platform Friday, "It was all declassified."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-allies-say-declassified-mar-lago-documents-experts-say-unclear-w-rcna42311

I look forward to him proving this claim.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So what did he do, wave a magic wand and say everything I take home is declassified and expect the due process to go through by itself?

 

Because National Archives disagree as they retrieved from Mar-a-Lago 15 boxes of records containing classified information earlier this year.

Yes, they found the letters from Kin jong Ill and also records of gifts hes received and been given and they should have been kept somewhere else other than in his house 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Sure but first back up your claim:

"Trump still receives classified documents from the security agencies" with a link then I'll happily oblige.

I read it earlier on line  , I cannot recall exactly where though 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, they found the letters from Kin jong Ill and also records of gifts hes received and been given and they should have been kept somewhere else other than in his house 

15 boxes of love letters and gifts yea right. Love letters were certainly there but I don't think the affair was quite as strong as that....lol

 

National Archives and Records Administration said it had retrieved from Mar-a-Lago 15 boxes of records containing classified information earlier this year.

[Tippaporn]

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

  

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

You folks just don't get it that there are people in this world who actually are after the real truth.  Whether it goes against Trump or not.  Some here believe anything.  Anything at all as long as it confirms their Orange Man Bad bias.  And if one doesn't agree and doesn't hop on the already overcrowded band wagon then that must mean we're all loony conspiracy theory nuts or Trump sycophants.  Much of the world vehemently rejects your false pronunciations.

Riddle me this, Lacessit.  Why did Newsweek come out with an article quoting two anonymous high level DOJ sources who said they were cleared to state that the DOJ had no knowledge of the raid.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/newsweek-blasted-incorrectly-claiming-merrick-garland-didnt-know-about-fbis-trump-raid

And Garland doesn't immediately issue a denial.  And it took him how long to finally make a public statement?  But not answer any questions?  Nothing to see here, right?

But do give some educated thought to your idea that anyone who sticks up for what they believe is right is automatically a Trump sycophant.  Is that the scientific method you've been taught?

 

Gee I don't know. Perhaps because Newsweek is noted for errors of fact, and has not employed fact-checkers since 1996?

 

Garland sets his own schedule, why should he listen to the bleatings  of Fox talking heads and Republican politicians? Why should he answer gotcha questions from a right-wing rump of the media? Is that the way you think the legal process should work?

 

The scientific method teaches respect for facts, evidence, and only accepting hypotheses after they have been tested to destruction. Sadly, I don't see any respect for those attributes from pro-Trump supporters on this thread, it is all what-aboutism, look over there, and it's a lefty conspiracy.

Sticking up for Trump is a bit like saying Stalin was good for the Ukrainians in 1931.

All the facts and evidence say he has been a disaster for America, except for the very rich.

So you're saying that high ranking DOJ officials talking to Newsweek never happened?  Or what about their story do you claim they got wrong?  And if you say they got it wrong then what reporting tells you that?  And how would fact checkers be able to check whether or not Newsweek actually talked to these to DOJ officials?

You've had an unprecedented raid on a former U.S. President which has never happened in all of U.S. history, a man who had the record votes of 75 million people, in a hyper political environment where millions believe the government is weaponising it's IC against it's political opponents, and the AG sets his own schedule for addressing the American people by waiting four days after the event?  You pass this off as Garland simply not responding to the bleating of Fox talking heads and Republican politicians?  Pray tell how should a public servant of the people respond to the people in such a momentous and historical event in your mind?

The scientific method should include all facts, not just the ones you want.  The latter would be goal seeking.  To declare in such absolute terms that all facts and evidence, all mind you, say Trump has been a disaster for America shows extreme bias.  Very unscientific in my opinion.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I was giving an example of what was found !!!!!!!!!!!

There was nothing of significance interest found .

Didnt find messages to Putin sending the nuclear codes or anything 

How do you know there was nothing significant found in those 15 boxes of classified information? I thought there has been an ongoing investigation into this ending up with the raid.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Eric Loh]

The finger prints on the documents and CCTV surveillance tapes will be a treasure trove of evidence for FBI. Expecting a wider exposure of many beside Trump. 

[Credo]

I suspect we will eventually find out who put the documents in the box at the WH and Trump will throw him under the bus.  

 

The point is he took documents that do not belong to him and he didn't return them when asked.  He is simply a thief, pure and simple.  

 

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, Credo said:

I suspect we will eventually find out who put the documents in the box at the WH and Trump will throw him under the bus.  

 

The point is he took documents that do not belong to him and he didn't return them when asked.  He is simply a thief, pure and simple.  

 

Being charged with theft is the least of his worries.

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

 

We know that Trump's hotels have taken money from the Saudis who booked large numbers of suites. That's a matter of record.

What has Biden taken from foreign governments?

 

Talking about biden (Big guy) and his family is frowned upon.

[coolcarer]

46 minutes ago, michael87 said:

“Recovered items that were improperly taken to Mar-a-Lago include a cocktail napkin, a birthday dinner menu, “—a cocktail napkin? Has the FBI lost its mind?

Almost as whacky as Trump or one of his staffers who decided to take them from the Whitehouse and put them in the boxes. Perhaps they were after a few freebies other than just plain old classified national security documents that were also found.

[Lacessit]

41 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

So you're saying that high ranking DOJ officials talking to Newsweek never happened?  Or what about their story do you claim they got wrong?  And if you say they got it wrong then what reporting tells you that?  And how would fact checkers be able to check whether or not Newsweek actually talked to these to DOJ officials?

You've had an unprecedented raid on a former U.S. President which has never happened in all of U.S. history, a man who had the record votes of 75 million people, in a hyper political environment where millions believe the government is weaponising it's IC against it's political opponents, and the AG sets his own schedule for addressing the American people by waiting four days after the event?  You pass this off as Garland simply not responding to the bleating of Fox talking heads and Republican politicians?  Pray tell how should a public servant of the people respond to the people in such a momentous and historical event in your mind?

The scientific method should include all facts, not just the ones you want.  The latter would be goal seeking.  To declare in such absolute terms that all facts and evidence, all mind you, say Trump has been a disaster for America shows extreme bias.  Very unscientific in my opinion.

You're entitled to your opinion, for what it is worth. Nada.

You're accusing me of extreme bias, when every post of yours exhibits it.

I'll let the American justice system decide. As for you, on ignore now.

 

[Credo]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Being charged with theft is the least of his worries.

That may be true but it seems that some posters think it's perfectly OK for people to walk out of a place with stuff that doesn't belong to them.  That is the beginning point for this criminal and this case.  I don't get to walk into your house and walk out with anything that doesn't belong to me.  If I do and feign it was an accident but refuse to return it, then I am not much more than just a common thief.  

[Bkk Brian]

2 or 3 years ago Trump attempted to secure a deal with Saudi Arabia to transfer sensitive nuclear technology. Of course it was then revealed that Trump’s son-in-law and White House adviser Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment for his Affinity Partners private equity firm from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince. This despite the fund’s advisers heavily criticizing the proposed deal.

 

Will any mention of this be in one of the classified docs? Will be interesting.

[bunnydrops]

I guess what puzzles me the most was why did the government have to go and say "pretty please" return the docs. Why wouldn't DT have just avoided this mess and just return them? What did think he would gain from keeping them? As for the he declassified the docs. Even some declassified docs that have to do with national security still need to be kept in  government hands.

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2 hours ago, michael87 said:

Yeah, if in reference to crossfire hurricane, the FBI lied repeatedly to the FISA court to secure wiretaps against Carter Paige, to spy onTrump. The FBI lawyer committing the fraud to the FISA court, non other than Kevin ClineSmith, received probation for committing a treasonous act.

Here is Kevin Clinesmith's treasonous act: he altered an email that led to continued surveillance of Carter Page. He committed forgery. In fact the act was considered so treasonous that John Durham asked that Clinesmith be imprisoned for several whole months. Oh the infamy!

And no, it wasn't to spy on Trump. Carter Page has never talked to Trump.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

41 minutes ago, Credo said:

That may be true but it seems that some posters think it's perfectly OK for people to walk out of a place with stuff that doesn't belong to them.  That is the beginning point for this criminal and this case.  I don't get to walk into your house and walk out with anything that doesn't belong to me.  If I do and feign it was an accident but refuse to return it, then I am not much more than just a common thief.  

Did you ever take your books home from school ?

The books that belong to the school ?