Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

[Gecko123]

The rumors about the types of classified top secret documents recovered are very disturbing. If true, it is difficult to imagine what would have motivated Trump to take those documents with him after he left the presidency. It sounds like the primary value of that type of info would be to foreign adversaries. What use files of this nature would have had for Trump personally is hard to fathom.

 

The man is a menace to America, freedom, democracy, and truth. He belongs in jail for inciting the January 6th riot, Georgia election interference, tax and insurance fraud in New York, violation of record keeping and espionage laws. There is a strong possibility that he has been compromised by Russia. Anyone still supporting this vile and corrupt man is a brainwashed fool.

 

 

 

[Excel]

Just now, Gecko123 said:

Anyone still supporting this vile and corrupt man is a brainwashed fool

As can be illustrated by some of the other poster's comments on here perhaps ?

[DezLez]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

What do you have in the form of evidence or proof?

Walt Disney!

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18 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

How can an individual who has lost all security clearances be allowed to have classified documents?

Because he took them before he lost his security clearances and then held on to them.  The National Archives conducted an investigation which takes time and...

 

"Mr. Trump handed over the materials after several months of back and forth between his lawyers and the National Archives, which houses presidential records and eventually makes many of them public.

The National Archives said in a statement that it obtained the boxes in mid-January and that Mr. Trump’s lawyers told the agency that “they are continuing to search for additional presidential records that belong to the National Archives.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/us/politics/trump-national-archives-documents.html

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

The rumors about the types of classified top secret documents recovered are very disturbing. If true, it is difficult to imagine what would have motivated Trump to take those documents with him after he left the presidency. It sounds like the primary value of that type of info would be to foreign adversaries. What use files of this nature would have had for Trump personally is hard to fathom.

 

The man is a menace to America, freedom, democracy, and truth. He belongs in jail for inciting the January 6th riot, Georgia election interference, tax and insurance fraud in New York, violation of record keeping and espionage laws. There is a strong possibility that he has been compromised by Russia. Anyone still supporting this vile and corrupt man is a brainwashed fool.

 

 

 

The Republicans had four very sound opportunities to put distance between themselves and Trump.

 

Two impeachments.

Certification of the election result.

Condemnation of the J 6 attack.

 

They chose Trump every time.

 

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Excel said:

As can be illustrated by some of the other poster's comments on here perhaps ?

What we don't see is a single person who amplified Trump's lies about the info being planted coming here with a mea culpa.

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4 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

The rumors about the types of classified top secret documents recovered are very disturbing. If true, it is difficult to imagine what would have motivated Trump to take those documents with him after he left the presidency. It sounds like the primary value of that type of info would be to foreign adversaries. What use files of this nature would have had for Trump personally is hard to fathom.

 

The man is a menace to America, freedom, democracy, and truth. He belongs in jail for inciting the January 6th riot, Georgia election interference, tax and insurance fraud in New York, violation of record keeping and espionage laws. There is a strong possibility that he has been compromised by Russia. Anyone still supporting this vile and corrupt man is a brainwashed fool.

 

 

 

Just because, among other things, Trump held a meeting with Putin with not only no advisers present, but not even a State Dept. translator?

[ozimoron]

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) announced on Friday that she had filed articles of impeachment against Attorney General Merrick Garland as the FBI’s search of the former president’s Florida residence roils Republicans. 

 

Greene’s resolution claims that the attorney general’s “personal approval to seek a search warrant for the raid on the home of the 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, constitutes a blatant attempt to persecute a political opponent.”

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3599038-marjorie-taylor-greene-filed-articles-of-impeachment-against-garland/

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

What we don't see is a single person who amplified Trump's lies about the info being planted coming here with a mea culpa.

Nor will we, they are lock step with Trump.

As his crimes get worse they double down their support.

 

Here we are at espionage already.

[ozimoron]

Capping an extraordinary week in Donald Trump’s post-presidency, a New York judge ordered Friday that his company and its longtime finance chief stand trial in the fall on tax fraud charges stemming from a long-running criminal investigation into Trump’s business practices.

 

https://apnews.com/article/new-york-manhattan-donald-trump-criminal-investigations-78fe83bb0cd4deeb926ee2067855bc71

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

The rumors about the types of classified top secret documents recovered are very disturbing. If true, it is difficult to imagine what would have motivated Trump to take those documents with him after he left the presidency. It sounds like the primary value of that type of info would be to foreign adversaries. What use files of this nature would have had for Trump personally is hard to fathom.

 

The man is a menace to America, freedom, democracy, and truth. He belongs in jail for inciting the January 6th riot, Georgia election interference, tax and insurance fraud in New York, violation of record keeping and espionage laws. There is a strong possibility that he has been compromised by Russia. Anyone still supporting this vile and corrupt man is a brainwashed fool.

 

 

 

And to use a famous statement from his television show all I can say is Mr Trump "Your Fired" now off to a private cell......

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

What we don't see is a single person who amplified Trump's lies about the info being planted coming here with a mea culpa.

Nor will we, they are lock step with Trump.

As his crimes get worse they double down their support.

 

Here we are at espionage already.

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4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) announced on Friday that she had filed articles of impeachment against Attorney General Merrick Garland as the FBI’s search of the former president’s Florida residence roils Republicans. 

 

Greene’s resolution claims that the attorney general’s “personal approval to seek a search warrant for the raid on the home of the 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, constitutes a blatant attempt to persecute a political opponent.”

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3599038-marjorie-taylor-greene-filed-articles-of-impeachment-against-garland/

Well, she kind of has a point. Instead of Merrick Garland signing off on the search warrant, it should have been done by the Attorney General....oh wait a minute.

[Gecko123]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

I bet the "President of France" would also like to know why Trump had information on him in a document at his private residence.

There was no love lost between Macron and Trump. Their relationship deteriorated early on in Trump's presidency and never recovered. Hard to believe the file on Macron was kept for sentimental purposes. On the other hand, Macron being a key supporter of the European Union, I'm sure Russia would have been very interested in any and all intelligence on him.

[xylophone]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not inclined to disagree with people who dislike Trump.

 

I have far more inclination to challenge those who defend him with unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

I trust you will allow me to decide which posts I respond to and in what manner I choose. 

By now it will have become painfully obvious to the posters here, those who have not followed the cult leader and drunk the Kool-Aid, that the FBI search was carried out in accordance with all of the principles in law relating to such a search.......and it will also have become painfully obvious that supporters of the orange clown will not stop in their deflections away from this, which is the major reason I blocked Tippaporn, because failure to understand reality does not make for a good discussion.

[Tippaporn]

31 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

How can an individual who has lost all security clearances be allowed to have classified documents.  I will let you ponder that one.  When I retired from my former employer, I lost all of the clearances I had including computer access to data bases and everything I had overseen was audited to ensure items were not missing....sounds to me like what occurred with the former president.

As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, but all former Presidents hold security clearances for life.  If that is indeed true then that would destroy the theory of your post.

[Phoenix Rising]

12 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

The rumors about the types of classified top secret documents recovered are very disturbing. If true, it is difficult to imagine what would have motivated Trump to take those documents with him after he left the presidency. It sounds like the primary value of that type of info would be to foreign adversaries. What use files of this nature would have had for Trump personally is hard to fathom.

 

The man is a menace to America, freedom, democracy, and truth. He belongs in jail for inciting the January 6th riot, Georgia election interference, tax and insurance fraud in New York, violation of record keeping and espionage laws. There is a strong possibility that he has been compromised by Russia. Anyone still supporting this vile and corrupt man is a brainwashed fool.

 

 

 

In addition to the classified material listed in the link from my previous post is also;

 

-A document about pardoning Roger Stone, a staunch Trump ally who was convicted in 2019 of lying to Congress during its probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 election. The Stone-related material taken from Mar-a-Lago was listed in the warrant receipt as "Executive Grant of Clemency re: Roger Jason Stone, Jr."
-Material about the "President of France."

 

For a natural born grifter like trump this is pure gold.

[Phoenix Rising]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) announced on Friday that she had filed articles of impeachment against Attorney General Merrick Garland as the FBI’s search of the former president’s Florida residence roils Republicans. 

 

Greene’s resolution claims that the attorney general’s “personal approval to seek a search warrant for the raid on the home of the 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, constitutes a blatant attempt to persecute a political opponent.”

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3599038-marjorie-taylor-greene-filed-articles-of-impeachment-against-garland/

Little more than one could expect from clan mom.

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

In addition to the classified material listed in the link from my previous post is also;

 

-A document about pardoning Roger Stone, a staunch Trump ally who was convicted in 2019 of lying to Congress during its probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 election. The Stone-related material taken from Mar-a-Lago was listed in the warrant receipt as "Executive Grant of Clemency re: Roger Jason Stone, Jr."
-Material about the "President of France."

 

For a natural born grifter like trump this is pure gold.

As the Judge who sentenced Stone said at the time:

 

"Stone, who passed on a chance to address the courtroom, stood silently with his attorneys for nearly 45 minutes while the judge explained the reasoning behind her sentence. The punishment, she said, grew in large part from the severity of his attempts to stymie the Russia probe, violations of a gag order limiting his speech during the pre-trial proceedings and for making a threat to the judge through social media.

“He was not prosecuted, as some have complained, for standing up for the president,” Jackson added in her closing remarks. “He was prosecuted for covering up for the president.”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/20/roger-stone-sentenced-to-over-three-years-in-prison-116326

[candide]

I am confused. I thought documents had been planted. So now they are declassified? ????

[Deez]

Same group who cried "Russian collusion" and impeach him for a phone call. After he has been gone for 1 1/2 years they discovered he had "top secret' material? Just when they are about to get slaughtered in elections?  So pathetic, just like those cheering it on.  US has turned into a banana republic

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, but all former Presidents hold security clearances for life.  If that is indeed true then that would destroy the theory of your post.

As far as I know, and correct me if I’m wrong, but lots of people have security clearance, it doesn’t give them any rights to remove top secret documents from the place those documents belong and keep them at their own homes. 
 

 

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Deez said:

Same group who cried "Russian collusion" and impeach him for a phone call. After he has been gone for 1 1/2 years they discovered he had "top secret' material? Just when they are about to get slaughtered in elections?  So pathetic, just like those cheering it on.  US has turned into a banana republic

They have known since the minute he left office that the held top secret documents. He just wouldn't give them back so they seized them. It's as simple as that, no conspiracy here, sorry.

[Walker88]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Looks like this is his defense.........

 

On Friday night, Mr Trump's office issued a statement maintaining that he had used his authority while president to declassify the documents.

 

 

 

This is the reality:

 

If Trump did in fact order the declassification, he still needed to make sure his staff took the necessary next steps to modify the classification markings on the documents before he could actually handle and store the records (as a private citizen) as if they were unclassified. Under security classification rules, a classification marking on a document has to be treated as valid and binding unless and until a subsequent marking replaces it. Appropriate government staffers would have needed to cross out the classification markings in the headers and footers, and stamped “declassified” on the record noting when it was declassified, by whom and under what authority. Since that does not appear to have been done with the classified documents reportedly identified to date, the documents remain classified and had to be treated as classified for handling and storage purposes. 

 

https://www.justsecurity.org/82619/expert-explainer-criminal-statutes-that-could-apply-to-trumps-retention-of-government-documents/

Not only did he not follow proper protocols---which involves running requests by intel chiefs to make sure no 'sources and methods' are outed----it seems 45 didn't bother to tell anybody he 'declassified' all this material.

 

Why, it's ALMOST as if he was just advised of this possible excuse this week, and ALMOST doesn't even count in horseshoes.

 

And the questions remains: Why would he have needed these 27 boxes of documents? A couple of White House ashtrays and drink doillies wasn't enough?

[JCauto]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

This warrant is useless for shedding any light on the reason for the raid as it doesn't include any predicate.

Can you explain to us why Trump demanded that the DOJ release the warrant when he himself had a copy and had already provided it to Breitbart? Is he senile too?

Or just lying and manipulating his ardent followers who slurp up massive contradictions from the horse's mouth without the slightest compunction? 

Remember what he did just a bit earlier this week and his quotation about it.

 

"On the campaign trail in 2016, Trump bashed Hillary Clinton after some members of her staff invoked the amendment during a congressional investigation.

"You see the mob takes the Fifth," he said during one rally in Iowa. "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?""

Must be dizzying to spin so wildly and in so many directions all at once.

[Walker88]

33 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, but all former Presidents hold security clearances for life.  If that is indeed true then that would destroy the theory of your post.

POTUSs NEVER have a security clearance, not even as POTUS. Getting elected is considered proper vetting. Everyone else fills out an SF86 and goes through a long check. In the agency that also involves a poly, plus repeat polys at anytime security so chooses.

 

Never having had a clearance, POTUSs are not suddenly given one after getting beat. As a courtesy, sometimes intel is shared with an ex-POTUS, especially if that ex might have special insight.  Nobody is ever going to think 45 has insight into anything, so no intel is ever going to be shared with him.

[animalmagic]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

It's an inventory of items taken.  So where within that inventory do you find the reason for the raid?

 

Try pages 6 & 7 where it mentions the TS/SCI (Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmentalised Information), Top Secret & Confidential classifications of document seized.

[JCauto]

46 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) announced on Friday that she had filed articles of impeachment against Attorney General Merrick Garland as the FBI’s search of the former president’s Florida residence roils Republicans. 

 

Greene’s resolution claims that the attorney general’s “personal approval to seek a search warrant for the raid on the home of the 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, constitutes a blatant attempt to persecute a political opponent.”

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3599038-marjorie-taylor-greene-filed-articles-of-impeachment-against-garland/

Is that correct? I thought she would surely say "cuticles of impeachtreement" or something along those lines. She must have gotten a coach to teach her how to say the proper words before she gets up to the mic. How wonderful it must be to have such fine people representing one's side as this!

[Chomper Higgot]

Let’s pretend concerns about Trump and access to state secrets is a sudden new shock shall we?!

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/spies-keep-intelligence-from-donald-trump-1487209351

[xylophone]

6 minutes ago, JCauto said:

"If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?""

Words straight out of the orange liar's mouth, and spoken more than once.........yet here he is a few years later taking the Fifth Amendment. 

 

It is to laugh.