Biden speech denouncing Trump, 'MAGA ideology' sparks threats, calls for violence

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, ullman said:

Another desperate attempt to divert attention away from the disaster of the Biden admin. Talk about anything but the problems voters are focused on in inflation hobbled America with out of control crime, illegal immigration, fentanyl deaths, energy disaster, Another desperate attempt to false flag Americans into violence to hopefully win votes. MAGA is having a good laugh now, check out the recent rally's in PA, Biden humiliated himself and American's as usual. The dumb libs are stoking Trump and MAGA popularity into a huge win in November. Thanks Joe, ya fool!

 

That can't be right.  Trump said he was going to stop crime, solve the opioid crisis, stop illegal immigration and make America energy independent.  Are you suggesting that Trump doesn't keep his promises?

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, ullman said:

Another desperate attempt to divert attention away from the disaster of the Biden admin. Talk about anything but the problems voters are focused on in inflation hobbled America with out of control crime, illegal immigration, fentanyl deaths, energy disaster, Another desperate attempt to false flag Americans into violence to hopefully win votes. MAGA is having a good laugh now, check out the recent rally's in PA, Biden humiliated himself and American's as usual. The dumb libs are stoking Trump and MAGA popularity into a huge win in November. Thanks Joe, ya fool!

 

Then there's this:

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

That can't be right.  Trump said he was going to stop crime, solve the opioid crisis, stop illegal immigration and make America energy independent.  Are you suggesting that Trump doesn't keep his promises?

He wasn't in power long enough. He would have done the infrastructure deal if he was in longer. After another tax cut.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You come across as someone who is afraid that the longer the investigation continues the more dirt will be dug up on Trump and the more his cult will be humiliated.

LOL. They tried to get him for something even before he was elected and for his entire presidency, but never succeeded. I reckon this will go the same way.

IMO the longer it goes on the more chance of no arrest, but if he is it should be a very interesting court case, and lots of opportunity to rubbish the Dems.

Anyway, once the Dems lose the house, if he hasn't already been arrested the entire case might just quietly disappear.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 minutes ago, ullman said:

Another desperate attempt to divert attention away from the disaster of the Biden admin. Talk about anything but the problems voters are focused on in inflation hobbled America with out of control crime, illegal immigration, fentanyl deaths, energy disaster, Another desperate attempt to false flag Americans into violence to hopefully win votes. MAGA is having a good laugh now, check out the recent rally's in PA, Biden humiliated himself and American's as usual. The dumb libs are stoking Trump and MAGA popularity into a huge win in November. Thanks Joe, ya fool!

 

Indeed, thanks Joe. The GOP needed something to remind them of why they need to win the house and stop Biden's agenda.

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. They tried to get him for something even before he was elected and for his entire presidency, but never succeeded. I reckon this will go the same way.

IMO the longer it goes on the more chance of no arrest, but if he is it should be a very interesting court case, and lots of opportunity to rubbish the Dems.

Anyway, once the Dems lose the house, if he hasn't already been arrested the entire case might just quietly disappear.

If you are correct then justice will be served by having the investigation come up empty and no arrest made.

 

If you are wrong then Trump will be in deep trouble. 

 

I'm betting it will be the latter.  Either way, the investigation should continue until it is finished.

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed, thanks Joe. The GOP needed something to remind them of why they need to win the house and stop Biden's agenda.

Right.  The GOP needs to stop infrastructure spending, support for Ukraine, lower prescription drug prices, and all the other horrible things the Democrats are trying to do.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, heybruce said:

If you are correct then justice will be served by having the investigation come up empty and no arrest made.

 

If you are wrong then Trump will be in deep trouble. 

 

I'm betting it will be the latter.  Either way, the investigation should continue until it is finished.

If it comes up empty a lot of officials are going to be looking really embarrassed. It had to be a big decision taken at the very top to raid a former president when he was already negotiating about the documents.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, heybruce said:

Right.  The GOP needs to stop infrastructure spending, support for Ukraine, lower prescription drug prices, and all the other horrible things the Democrats are trying to do.

I was thinking more about the southern border fiasco disaster and the green agenda.

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. They tried to get him for something even before he was elected and for his entire presidency, but never succeeded. I reckon this will go the same way.

IMO the longer it goes on the more chance of no arrest, but if he is it should be a very interesting court case, and lots of opportunity to rubbish the Dems.

Anyway, once the Dems lose the house, if he hasn't already been arrested the entire case might just quietly disappear.

He had a bit of a leg up, like Barr lying to justify letting him off the hook in the Mueller investigation. There was a thread about this recently so I don;t think I need to post another link

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I was thinking more about the southern border fiasco disaster and the green agenda.

"green agenda" That sounds worse than monkeypox. If only we knew what it was but you just threw the phrase out there as a smear without bothering with an explanation of what it meant except for being word salad.

Edited September 5, 2022 by ozimoron

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

That can't be right.  Trump said he was going to stop crime, solve the opioid crisis, stop illegal immigration and make America energy independent.  Are you suggesting that Trump doesn't keep his promises?

He did to a large extent. The crime problem was and is mainly in Democratic controlled states and cities.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

He did to a large extent. The crime problem was and is mainly in Democratic controlled states and cities.

Crime tends to concentrate in cities. Cities tend to vote democrat. See anything wrong with your non sequiter?

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Crime tends to concentrate in cities. Cities tend to vote democrat. See anything wrong with your non sequiter?

See anything wrong with yours?

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

He did to a large extent. The crime problem was and is mainly in Democratic controlled states and cities.

That's not quite true though is it?

 

US elections 2020: Fact-checking Trump on crime in Democratic-run cities

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53991722

 

As for murders:

 

We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3274797-we-have-a-murder-problem-in-america-especially-in-red-states/

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

See anything wrong with yours?

Are either of my two observations incorrect?

[heybruce]

47 minutes ago, nauseus said:

He did to a large extent. The crime problem was and is mainly in Democratic controlled states and cities.

Really?  Why is the murder rate higher in Republican controlled states?   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[candide]

Trump never fails to deliver! ????

 

Trump rally highlighting January 6 case of alleged Nazi sympathizer sparks criticism

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/04/politics/trump-rally-nazi-sympathizer-january-6-rioter/index.html

 

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's not quite true though is it?

 

US elections 2020: Fact-checking Trump on crime in Democratic-run cities

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53991722

 

As for murders:

 

We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3274797-we-have-a-murder-problem-in-america-especially-in-red-states/

Your BBC link pretty much agrees with what I said except that the cities differ from this other view. Of those given below, nine of ten of them had Democratic mayors in 2020. San Bernardino was the exception. Mayors have large control of what happens in US cities:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/217685/most-dangerous-cities-in-north-america-by-crime-rate/

 

Your "Hill" link is not well supported by verifiable data and is even described as "opinion". 

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1 hour ago, nauseus said:

He did to a large extent. The crime problem was and is mainly in Democratic controlled states and cities.

Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’

Murder rates didn’t soar only in cities during the pandemic; small-town sheriffs and prosecutors are overwhelmed with homicide cases

https://www.wsj.com/articles/violent-crime-rural-america-homicides-pandemic-increase-11654864251

 

In Rural America, Violent Crime Reaches Highest Level in a Decade

The loss of jobs and the opioid epidemic are two of the biggest reasons.

https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-crime-rural-urban-cities.html

 

Edit: Just to make it clear, rural areas overwhelmingly support Trump.

Edited September 5, 2022 by placeholder

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Are either of my two observations incorrect?

Not if you agree that crime is popular with Democrats, no.

[placeholder]

An interesting take on Biden's speech from David Frum

 

Biden Laid the Trap. Trump Walked Into It.
At his Pennsylvania rally, the former president gave exactly the narcissistic display his Democratic nemesis tried to provoke.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/trump-pennsylvania-rally-republicans/671344/

 

Can you imagine how Mehmet Oz felt when Trump attacked his opponent, John Fetterman, for consuming cocaine, methamphetamine, fentanyl and heroin?

 

“Fetterman supports taxpayer funded drug dens and the complete decriminalization of illegal drugs, including heroin, cocaine, crystal meth and ultra lethal fentanyl,” he said. “And by the way, he takes them himself”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-john-fetterman-drug-use-rally-b2159287.html

 

It's bad enough for the Republcians that Trump pushed such a weak candidate over the finish line in his race to be the nominee. Now he's making sure that Oz has no chance. It's Georgia 2020 all over again.

[Bkk Brian]

37 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Your BBC link pretty much agrees with what I said except that the cities differ from this other view. Of those given below, nine of ten of them had Democratic mayors in 2020. San Bernardino was the exception. Mayors have large control of what happens in US cities:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/217685/most-dangerous-cities-in-north-america-by-crime-rate/

 

Your "Hill" link is not well supported by verifiable data and is even described as "opinion". 

The statistics Trump used were taken from the FBI and Trump of course failed to mention this:

 

But the FBI has warned against using its statistics in a way which ranks cities and oversimplifies what causes crime.

"These rough rankings provide no insight into the numerous variables that mould crime in a particular town, city, county, state, tribal area, or region," it says on its website.

"Consequently, they lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting communities and their residents."

 

Regarding the murder rates from the opinion piece in the Hill article, it was an opinion based on statistics ie facts if you had gone to the links they provided:

 

In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.  there is a large piece of the homicide story that is missing and calls into question the veracity of the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states. And sometimes, murder rates are highest in cities with Republican mayors.

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem

 

 

[LosLobo]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

An interesting take on Biden's speech from David Frum

 

Biden Laid the Trap. Trump Walked Into It.
At his Pennsylvania rally, the former president gave exactly the narcissistic display his Democratic nemesis tried to provoke.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/trump-pennsylvania-rally-republicans/671344/

 

Can you imagine how Mehmet Oz felt when Trump attacked his opponent, John Fetterman, for consuming cocaine, methamphetamine, fentanyl and heroin?

 

“Fetterman supports taxpayer funded drug dens and the complete decriminalization of illegal drugs, including heroin, cocaine, crystal meth and ultra lethal fentanyl,” he said. “And by the way, he takes them himself”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-john-fetterman-drug-use-rally-b2159287.html

 

It's bad enough for the Republcians that Trump pushed such a weak candidate over the finish line in his race to be the nominee. Now he's making sure that Oz has no chance. It's Georgia 2020 all over again.

Trump had immunity from defamation when he was POTUS but he knows now that he  has full liability for his words and actions when out of office, from the E. Jean Carroll rape defamation case. The case resumes early next year. He is obviously delusional and believes he will always be above the law.

 

 

[placeholder]

Just now, LosLobo said:

Trump had immunity from defamation when he was POTUS but he knows now that he  has full liability for his words and actions when out of office, from the E. Jean Carroll rape defamation case. The case resumes early next year. He is obviously delusional and believes he will always be above the law.

 

 

For what it's worth. Fetterman would have a pretty good shot at successfully suing Trump for defamation, even though in the USA the standard is much higher for public figures than in most other countries. Trump's accusation of Fetterman taking heroin, amphetamines, fentanyl, and heroin has no basis in evidence and are clearly inspired by malice. But it's extremely unlikely that Fetterman would bother to.

[LosLobo]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

For what it's worth. Fetterman would have a pretty good shot at successfully suing Trump for defamation, even though in the USA the standard is much higher for public figures than in most other countries. Trump's accusation of Fetterman taking heroin, amphetamines, fentanyl, and heroin has no basis in evidence and are clearly inspired by malice. But it's extremely unlikely that Fetterman would bother to.

Yes, I read that about the criteria for a public person before I posted. I agree the intention of malice is abundantly clear.

[nauseus]

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The statistics Trump used were taken from the FBI and Trump of course failed to mention this:

 

But the FBI has warned against using its statistics in a way which ranks cities and oversimplifies what causes crime.

"These rough rankings provide no insight into the numerous variables that mould crime in a particular town, city, county, state, tribal area, or region," it says on its website.

"Consequently, they lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting communities and their residents."

 

Regarding the murder rates from the opinion piece in the Hill article, it was an opinion based on statistics ie facts if you had gone to the links they provided:

 

In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.  there is a large piece of the homicide story that is missing and calls into question the veracity of the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states. And sometimes, murder rates are highest in cities with Republican mayors.

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem

 

 

I'm afraid that this repetitive 'source' annotation attached to the figures does not fill me with confidence.

Source: Calculations based on publicly available state crime reports and local news sources

 

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I'm afraid that this repetitive 'source' annotation attached to the figures does not fill me with confidence.

Source: Calculations based on publicly available state crime reports and local news sources

 

You missed : "We pulled the data from yearly crime reports released by state governments, specifically the Departments of Justice and Safety. For states that didn’t issue state crime reports, we pulled data from reputable local news sources."

 

It filled plenty of other news outlets with confidence to cite the report, however unsurprisingly not you. 

[EVENKEEL]

I'm quite sure SNL will have a spoof with a Satan looking guy with the full on demonic background giving a funny speech. Should be good.

[nauseus]

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You missed : "We pulled the data from yearly crime reports released by state governments, specifically the Departments of Justice and Safety. For states that didn’t issue state crime reports, we pulled data from reputable local news sources."

 

It filled plenty of other news outlets with confidence to cite the report, however unsurprisingly not you. 

No. Not me. There is no way to check this "data" properly, with references like that.