Ruskies and Manners.

[Tish 2]

Hi,i'm 73 (and look it) and live in Jomtienski.I walk twice a day,usually on beach rd and on every occasion it seems i have to give way to the people coming the other way.This would not bother me if i got a "thanks" or a smile but it never happens.This morning i jumped off the pavement for a young lady wheeling her suitcase.NOTHING.

Not had much dealings with Russians but on two occasions,both times asking for directions with Russian lady scooter drivers (Vietnam and Sri Lanka) they both said "hop on" and took me to my destinations. Both destinations took some finding but the girls refused to give up until they got me there and both refused payment and left with a big smile.

My point is,i know they can be very kind but why the blank stares and lack of acknowledge for the person being polite?

Is it just a cultural thing?

 

[BritManToo]

Stop and stand your ground usually works.

They won't walk into you.

Edited January 29, 2023 by BritManToo

[richard_smith237]

14 minutes ago, Tish 2 said:

Is it just a cultural thing?

There you go... 

 

In the same manner you may get over the top gushing reacting from others in other cultures, whereas with some cultures we find the interaction a little more surly...    

 

There are characteristics of the nations of some countries that I find objectionable... its just cultural and they ‘way people are’.

 

As you mentioned, a nod of recognition would be enough for you, others would find anything less than a verbal thanks impolite. 

 

The same can be argued of Thai’s going through a door you’ve held open for them. 

 

Every culture and nation has its differences where ‘culture’ is used to explain or write off something we don’t find so polite. 

 

 

 

[Hummin]

Ever been queuing together with Chinese?

[stoner]

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The same can be argued of Thai’s going through a door you’ve held open for them.

you still do that ? 

[OneMoreFarang]

That's easy. The other person has to walk around me.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

31 minutes ago, stoner said:

47 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The same can be argued of Thai’s going through a door you’ve held open for them.

you still do that ? 

Yeah... why wouldn’t I ?

 

I walk through a door and if someone is close behind me I slow to leave the door open for them, if someone is coming towards me (close by) I stop and leave the door open for them....   I very rarely receive a thanks... but don’t do that for thanks... I do it because I’m not an ignorant ayhole !!

 

Conversely so, when following someone through a door here (Bangkok) its more common for people to walk through and allow the door to swing closed behind them, than it is to be socially aware and adjust to keep a door open for someone.

 

I don’t see it as impolite - I just see it as many Thai’s being so insular and within themselves they are not aware of things going on around them.... That said, there are plenty who behave different and carry more  westernised habits in plug areas.

 

Its something that happens, but never something that would bother me... they same as surly Russian’s or over zealous Americans....  its just a difference thats all. 

 

[BritManToo]

39 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Ever been queuing together with Chinese?

Travelling from CM airport to China (I was the only non-Chinese on the flight), the Air hostess said "rows 1-10 please" and they all charged the gate, I stood aside, the 4 air hostess at the gate just ran away and let them fight it out. It was actually very funny if you weren't standing in front of them.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, BritManToo said:

Travelling from CM airport to China (I was the only non-Chinese on the flight), the Air hostess said "rows 1-10 please" and they all charged the gate, I stood aside, the 4 air hostess at the gate just ran away and let them fight it out. It was actually very funny if you weren't standing in front of them.

It actually makes you realise how civilised Thailand is compared to many other countries... 

 

Getting up before the plane has stopped and clambering for luggage seems to be a national sport in some countries !!!....   As is crowding the luggage carousel as close as possible...  The collective mentality is often baffling !... 

 

 

[connda]

3 hours ago, Tish 2 said:

My point is,i know they can be very kind but why the blank stares and lack of acknowledge for the person being polite?

Is it just a cultural thing?

It is.

[metisdead]

As this topic appears to be related to Pattaya, moving to the Pattaya forum. 

[zzaa09]

There's a universal stand for what might pass as manners? 

I've been enlightened. 

[Leaver]

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

Ever been queuing together with Chinese?

 

That's never happened, ever, to anyone.  The Chinese don't queue. 

[Leaver]

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

t actually makes you realise how civilised Thailand is compared to many other countries... 

 

Except for all the murders over loss of "face." 

[Leaver]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That's easy. The other person has to walk around me.

 

 

 

That photo depicts an opportunity to go through, rather than around.

 

One must use everything at their disposal to their advantage, including lack of size. Something that many members tell bar girls here.  

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by Leaver

[Seppius]

On thing living on and off in Thailand for 30 odd years has taught me, Patience

[Leaver]

1 minute ago, Seppius said:

On thing living on and off in Thailand for 30 odd years has taught me, Patience

 

Ahh, yes, patience, otherwise known to Thai's as, shut up farang, and obey, or leave. 

[jacko45k]

16 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Travelling from CM airport to China (I was the only non-Chinese on the flight), the Air hostess said "rows 1-10 please" and they all charged the gate, I stood aside, the 4 air hostess at the gate just ran away and let them fight it out. It was actually very funny if you weren't standing in front of them.

I was doing pre-boarding on an Air Asia flight (paid some extra to board first and get seats at the front)... and there were oranges on my allocated seats. A Chinese lady was using them to 'reserve' seats for her group. I of course sat there and made her argue to get her orange back! Don't remind me of my tantrum once when Russian ladies tried to jump in front of me at the check-out in Tesco/Lotus!

[BigStar]

On 1/29/2023 at 12:43 PM, Tish 2 said:

This would not bother me if i got a "thanks" or a smile but it never happens.

They don't owe you anything, petal.

 

I've found them mannerly enough, even pleasant at times, as when a young Russian mother in front of me at the cashier's in Lotus Express had a hard time understanding what further coins she needed to produce--and didn't have them anyway. I immediately handed the cashier a couple of baht for her, and she gave me a very gracious smile. 'Twas a nice exchange; too bad she didn't know I'm American, but perhaps she thought I might be.

 

I've encountered bad manners among other prominent nationalities, but that would be off-topic.

 

[Hummin]

12 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I was doing pre-boarding on an Air Asia flight (paid some extra to board first and get seats at the front)... and there were oranges on my allocated seats. A Chinese lady was using them to 'reserve' seats for her group. I of course sat there and made her argue to get her orange back! Don't remind me of my tantrum once when Russian ladies tried to jump in front of me at the check-out in Tesco/Lotus!

An orange is a nice guest from a cheap airline I would have thought ????

[PJ71]

On 1/29/2023 at 6:02 AM, richard_smith237 said:

There you go... 

 

In the same manner you may get over the top gushing reacting from others in other cultures, whereas with some cultures we find the interaction a little more surly...    

 

There are characteristics of the nations of some countries that I find objectionable... its just cultural and they ‘way people are’.

 

As you mentioned, a nod of recognition would be enough for you, others would find anything less than a verbal thanks impolite. 

 

The same can be argued of Thai’s going through a door you’ve held open for them. 

 

Every culture and nation has its differences where ‘culture’ is used to explain or write off something we don’t find so polite. 

 

 

 

Culture expert ????????

[Jingthing]

Russkies and manners?

Isn't that a Russoxymoron? 

[Furioso]

I don't think the Russians are particularly rude, it's definitely part of their culture to stay stoic, strong, resilient. It's just a reminder to me that so many countries around the world don't have it easy. I see the Russia ranks 74th in happiness around the world, that's pretty bad. 

[AlexRRR]

On 1/29/2023 at 1:13 PM, Hummin said:

Ever been queuing together with Chinese?

Haaaaa yes!!! just the other day at Asiatic in BKK waiting for boat back to BTS, once they dropped the rope for boarding i was pushed 1 meter sideways by a horde of low class Chinese, once got my balance back i hip and shouldered the horde back, screams of protests followed...then they settled down and quietly moved forward quickly slipping around me like wet snakes...mind you the boat ended up being half empty.... i lost my desire to tour China about 16 ys ago after a week in HK. 

[bobandyson]

On 1/29/2023 at 1:02 PM, richard_smith237 said:

The same can be argued of Thai’s going through a door you’ve held open for them. 

I do that. Open doors for people. It's just how I've been brought up. Plus, it doesn't cost me anything.

[Hummin]

28 minutes ago, AlexRRR said:

Haaaaa yes!!! just the other day at Asiatic in BKK waiting for boat back to BTS, once they dropped the rope for boarding i was pushed 1 meter sideways by a horde of low class Chinese, once got my balance back i hip and shouldered the horde back, screams of protests followed...then they settled down and quietly moved forward quickly slipping around me like wet snakes...mind you the boat ended up being half empty.... i lost my desire to tour China about 16 ys ago after a week in HK. 

China is another world. I spent most of my Time in Shanghai at my 5 star hotel. We where hired several years for an event at their National day in beginning of october. Once only I tried hit the street and the subway, never again. Anyway the hotel was a whole little world by itself, so did not miss to much really. Country side in the mountains much better, but still quite unusual to sit at a local outdoor restaurant and 100 people look at you eating. 

Edited January 31, 2023 by Hummin

[mran66]

On 1/29/2023 at 1:55 PM, BritManToo said:

Travelling from CM airport to China (I was the only non-Chinese on the flight), the Air hostess said "rows 1-10 please" and they all charged the gate, I stood aside, the 4 air hostess at the gate just ran away and let them fight it out. It was actually very funny if you weren't standing in front of them.

I was working in china for over 10yrs, traveling frequently both domestic and international due to work...concept of queueing had not reached China by those days, also not in traffic behaviour. Was not fun...

[mran66]

On 1/29/2023 at 12:45 PM, BritManToo said:

Stop and stand your ground usually works.

They won't walk into you.

You just have to play with their rules, otherwise you will for sure loose. Stand your ground, fight fire with fire. It is very deep in their culture; no manners, selfish, arrogant people for the most part, with some exceptions of course. 

 

If you try to be polite, it basically mean total submission for them.

 

Just look what is happening in Ukraine as one example of the culture.

[Negita43]

On 1/29/2023 at 6:13 AM, Hummin said:

Ever been queuing together with Chinese?

Two mutually exclusive words - although the concept of queuing is not an internationally accepted protocol!

[Hummin]

12 minutes ago, Negita43 said:

Two mutually exclusive words - although the concept of queuing is not an internationally accepted protocol!

I'm not English so my first language is not English, I'm not sure what you ment, or what you trying to explain? 

 

What is mean by queuing?
to wait in a line of people, often to buy something: Dozens of people were queueing up to get tickets. We had to queue for three hours to get in.6 days ago
https://dictionary.cambridge.org › q...
QUEUEING | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary