Trump posts disturbing baseball bat photo with Alvin Bragg, threatens ‘death and destruction’

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, USEpat said:

Trump is a smart insider who knows how the political game is played.  He was part of it, contributing to both sides as a real estate developer and solicited by both sides for support.  He knows what can be bought and influenced.  As a result, Trump scares the <deleted> out of all the politicians and hangers on who feed at the government trough and who have for decades.  He's an existential threat. 

 

So, the threatened worked to take him out from the get-go with made up accusations, innuendo and false claims - many of which were created or amplified by government agencies and agents.  The opposed didn't launch a "loyal opposition," but a "resistance."  They didn't offer alternatives or compromise, but literally tore up his proposals and opinions. 

 

Is Trump a showman who deals in hyperbole? Sure.  Is he a little paranoid and defensive?  Sure.  Does he do everything by-the-book? Nope.  Is Trump a paragon of morality? Nope, but neither were Roosevelt,  Kennedy, Clinton or most other powerful, monied men.  Is Trump being constantly attacked with <deleted> by an entrenched bureaucracy scared of losing their power, money and influence?  You bet.

 

Two observations:  In New York City, in the 1980s when Trump was a mere developer, the City could not get the Wollman and Lasker ice skating rinks in Central Park fixed it seemed forever.  Trump stepped in and got them fixed in weeks. 

 

I've worked for CEOs of Fortune 200 companies.  Their personalities and approach is strikingly similar to Trump.  Partly for effect and partly from supercharged egos that fuel their success.  I never liked all the aspects of a CEO's personality or supported everything they did, but they knew how to get things done. 

 

I kinda liked low unemployment, particularly for blacks and browns, low inflation, less BS and more decisiveness (albeit with a wee bit too much "me, me, me").  Ever tried to get a visa for someone or go through the legitimate U.S. Immigration process?  I have.  And after those experiences, watching tens of thousands walking across the U.S. border with no checks and with consequence whatsoever kinda pisses me off.

 

Violent rhetoric, outrageous personal attacks and baseless lies aren't unique in American politics, but the kind of nonsense being seen now hasn't been common for more than 150 years. 

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

Trump was taken out by the people not by people he threatened. The people realized the lies, corruptions and the disregards for law and order, norms and traditions and voted him out. The institutions were strong even to withstand Trumps assaults on democracy. He served himself and not the people. 

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2 hours ago, riclag said:

I liked your comment very much it was very well articulated.

So whats your thoughts on the far left’s accusations about the Louisville Slugger bat photo?

Rupert Murdoch's  NY Post is now the far left?

[Lemsta69]

12 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I don't drink Kool aide , never even tried it before

He was referring to the Jonestown massacre in Guyana in 1978 where a crazy cult leader poisoned his followers with poisoned grape drink. 

 

Except it was Flavor Aid not Kool-Aid but somehow the latter brand has crept into the lexicon.

 

'The phrase “drinking the Kool-Aid” refers to followership at its worse. It was coined after a delusional, pseudo-guru named Jim Jones led his cult, the Peoples Temple, to mass suicide. Over 900 people, including 304 children, killed themselves by drinking from a vat of grape-flavored drink laced with cyanide.'

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceweinstein/2018/03/29/two-great-reasons-to-stop-saying-i-drank-the-kool-aid/?sh=b4da90534e3e

 

ps. apologies if you were being snarky and I misread your post ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said:

He was referring to the Jonestown massacre in Guyana in 1978 where a crazy cult leader poisoned his followers with poisoned grape drink. 

 

Except it was Flavor Aid not Kool-Aid but somehow the latter brand has crept into the lexicon.

 

'The phrase “drinking the Kool-Aid” refers to followership at its worse. It was coined after a delusional, pseudo-guru named Jim Jones led his cult, the Peoples Temple, to mass suicide. Over 900 people, including 304 children, killed themselves by drinking from a vat of grape-flavored drink laced with cyanide.'

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceweinstein/2018/03/29/two-great-reasons-to-stop-saying-i-drank-the-kool-aid/?sh=b4da90534e3e

 

ps. apologies if you were being snarky and I misread your post ????

Isn't that a prime example of gaslighting ?

Gaslighting being 

 

"Psychologists use the term “gaslighting” to refer to a specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is trying to get someone else (or a group of people) to question their own reality, memory or perceptions. And it's always a serious problem, according to psychologists."

 

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24 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Isn't that a prime example of gaslighting ?

Gaslighting being 

 

"Psychologists use the term “gaslighting” to refer to a specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is trying to get someone else (or a group of people) to question their own reality, memory or perceptions. And it's always a serious problem, according to psychologists."

 

No. Your interpretation of an event is being questioned. Not the reality of it, not your memory of it, and not your perceptions.

And just to forestall what I'm guessing would be an attempt to make perceptions mean what it doesn't (I'm too familiar with your M.O.)

Here it is:

"the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.

"the normal limits to human perception"

the state of being or process of becoming aware of something through the senses.

"the perception of pain"

https://www.google.com/search?q=perceptions&oq=perceptions&aqs=chrome..69i57.2796j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No. Your interpretation of an event is being questioned.

I have lost track a bit, as I haven't been paying much attention .

What event are you referring to and what is my interpretation of that event ?

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14 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have lost track a bit, as I haven't been paying much attention .

What event are you referring to and what is my interpretation of that event ?

The Jonestown massacre. The people who killed themselves weren't being gaslighted. They were just being deceived.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The Jonestown massacre. The people who killed themselves weren't being gaslighted. They were just being deceived.

I did mean that I was being gaslighted .

A poster was comparing myself to a Jonestown suicide person 

[ThailandRyan]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The Jonestown massacre. The people who killed themselves weren't being gaslighted. They were just being deceived.

Much like Trumps followers.

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9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I did mean that I was being gaslighted .

A poster was comparing myself to a Jonestown suicide person 

Still not the case. Possibly you are being libelled but not gaslighted. Was anyone trying to tell you that some event you believed happened didn't? Or that you got the facts wrong?  It's not about your interpretation of the meaning of the event.

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20 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I did mean that I was being gaslighted .

A poster was comparing myself to a Jonestown suicide person 

I'm sure you meant it. I'm also sure that's not what gaslighting means.

[placeholder]

21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I did mean that I was being gaslighted .

A poster was comparing myself to a Jonestown suicide person 

Just to help you out a bit, look up the Hitchcock movie Gaslight. That's where the term comes from.

[heybruce]

13 hours ago, USEpat said:

Trump is a smart insider who knows how the political game is played.  He was part of it, contributing to both sides as a real estate developer and solicited by both sides for support.  He knows what can be bought and influenced.  As a result, Trump scares the <deleted> out of all the politicians and hangers on who feed at the government trough and who have for decades.  He's an existential threat. 

 

So, the threatened worked to take him out from the get-go with made up accusations, innuendo and false claims - many of which were created or amplified by government agencies and agents.  The opposed didn't launch a "loyal opposition," but a "resistance."  They didn't offer alternatives or compromise, but literally tore up his proposals and opinions. 

 

Is Trump a showman who deals in hyperbole? Sure.  Is he a little paranoid and defensive?  Sure.  Does he do everything by-the-book? Nope.  Is Trump a paragon of morality? Nope, but neither were Roosevelt,  Kennedy, Clinton or most other powerful, monied men.  Is Trump being constantly attacked with <deleted> by an entrenched bureaucracy scared of losing their power, money and influence?  You bet.

 

Two observations:  In New York City, in the 1980s when Trump was a mere developer, the City could not get the Wollman and Lasker ice skating rinks in Central Park fixed it seemed forever.  Trump stepped in and got them fixed in weeks. 

 

I've worked for CEOs of Fortune 200 companies.  Their personalities and approach is strikingly similar to Trump.  Partly for effect and partly from supercharged egos that fuel their success.  I never liked all the aspects of a CEO's personality or supported everything they did, but they knew how to get things done. 

 

I kinda liked low unemployment, particularly for blacks and browns, low inflation, less BS and more decisiveness (albeit with a wee bit too much "me, me, me").  Ever tried to get a visa for someone or go through the legitimate U.S. Immigration process?  I have.  And after those experiences, watching tens of thousands walking across the U.S. border with no checks and with consequence whatsoever kinda pisses me off.

 

Violent rhetoric, outrageous personal attacks and baseless lies aren't unique in American politics, but the kind of nonsense being seen now hasn't been common for more than 150 years. 

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

"Trump is a smart insider who knows how the political game is played."

 

Trump is a failed businessman (I use the term loosely) who doesn't want to reveal his taxes because it would show what a fraud he is.

 

"As a result, Trump scares the <deleted> out of all the politicians and hangers on who feed at the government trough and who have for decades."

 

Trump scares the <deleted> out of people who know that running any large, sprawling, complex organization is difficult, and there are none more difficult that running the largest economy in the world.  He was and remains completely unqualified for the job.  We were lucky he didn't do more damage the first time, though the January 6 insurrection came close to catastrophic damage. 

 

"Violent rhetoric, outrageous personal attacks and baseless lies aren't unique in American politics, but the kind of nonsense being seen now hasn't been common for more than 150 years."

 

There are no better examples of this than the Faux News pundits, Alex Jones, One America, and the other right-wing extremist outlets that some people confuse with news sources.

[USEpat]

On 3/27/2023 at 6:10 AM, placeholder said:

Rupert Murdoch's  NY Post is now the far left?

Nah.  Trump and the Post are in a symbiotic relationship with the same objective - gaining ears and eyeballs.   Trump is first and foremost a showman, playing to the crowd - any crowd - with evocative teasers - anything to keep the camera/NY Post focused on him.

[Danderman123]

This trial seems to be the next one up.

 

I don't know how the presidential immunity gambit by Trump impacts this case, however.

[morrobay]

This SAP of a DA just released these migrants without bail that attacked the NYPD officers because not enough evidence. This country is in trouble.https://abc7ny.com/nyc-crime-officers-attacked-time-square-nypd/14380425/. Let us not forget salvation: And have a president who will round up these 10 million or so and Deport

[uttradit]

On 3/25/2023 at 9:32 AM, Bkk Brian said:

He's not, he's standing with a baseball bat next to Bragg's head. Get a grip, this is highly disturbing and he knows it. That's why its now deleted. Too late to show what he's really made of though.

Made of baseball bats?

[uttradit]

1 hour ago, morrobay said:

This SAP of a DA just released these migrants without bail that attacked the NYPD officers because not enough evidence. This country is in trouble.https://abc7ny.com/nyc-crime-officers-attacked-time-square-nypd/14380425/. Let us not forget salvation: And have a president who will round up these 10 million or so and Deport

Biden wants more votes. Left wingers do it the world over. Why western cities are getting worse. More welfare, more crime.

[Danderman123]

18 minutes ago, uttradit said:

Biden wants more votes. Left wingers do it the world over. Why western cities are getting worse. More welfare, more crime.

Your posts demonstrate that misinformed people support Trump.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-major-crime-down-december-2023/

 

Crime is down in New York city.

[morrobay]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Your posts demonstrate that misinformed people support Trump.

 

That's you https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/the-lefts-desperate-attempt-deflect-crime

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4 hours ago, morrobay said:

That's you https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/the-lefts-desperate-attempt-deflect-crime

That article you linked to is remarkably free of actual data. 

Homicides See Historic Decline In 2023 Despite Perceptions That Crime Is On The Rise

Murders are down 12.8% over last year across more than 175 cities, according to criminal justice data analyzed by firm AH Analytics, with AH Analytics co-founder and data analyst Jeff Asher recently writing on Substack that the data suggests that U.S. murders are on pace to log “one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded” this year.

Major cities, which some commentators have in recent years portrayed as overrun by crime, have seen significant declines in homicides, including double-digit declines in New York (11.42% as of Dec. 24), Los Angeles (15.45% as of Dec. 23) and Chicago (12.7% as of Dec. 27), per the AH Analytics murder dashboard, drawing from local law enforcement data across the country.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesfarrell/2023/12/29/homicides-see-historic-decline-in-2023-despite-perceptions-that-crime-is-on-the-rise/?sh=ffa5d6dd76e7

 

And what about rural crime? Which are overwhelmingly conservative in their politics I noticed that the Heritage article didn't address that issue. Hmmm...

Gun Violence Rates In Rural Areas Match or Outpace Cities

As gun violence continues to fuel violent crime, some conservative politicians are not only refusing to support violence prevention measures but are also rolling back gun laws.  Many of these same officials express the  narrative that gun violence is only a problem in urban, Democrat-led cities, and media outlets focus on gun violence in cities like Chicago. 
The truth is that rural communities—particularly in red states—have increasingly faced levels of gun violence that match or outpace urban areas, says the Center for American Progress. 

https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/gun-violence-rates-in-rural-areas-match-or-outpace-cities

[Skipalongcassidy]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That article you linked to is remarkably free of actual data. 

Homicides See Historic Decline In 2023 Despite Perceptions That Crime Is On The Rise

 

You insist on links so that you cabn attack the link as being unreliable... I find most of your links to be very left wing and lacking in facts... 

 

This just in... 

"America's Most Wanted" host John Walsh blasted President Biden on Saturday, accusing him of "cherry-picking" statistics from a "couple of cities" to support his overall claims that violent crime across the nation is falling overall.

"He is cherry-picking a couple of cities but, in those cities, the crime spikes were huge last year, and they might have gone down two murders this year. That doesn't count as crimes going down," Walsh said on "One Nation with Brian Kilmeade."

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4 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

You insist on links so that you cabn attack the link as being unreliable... I find most of your links to be very left wing and lacking in facts... 

 

This just in... 

"America's Most Wanted" host John Walsh blasted President Biden on Saturday, accusing him of "cherry-picking" statistics from a "couple of cities" to support his overall claims that violent crime across the nation is falling overall.

"He is cherry-picking a couple of cities but, in those cities, the crime spikes were huge last year, and they might have gone down two murders this year. That doesn't count as crimes going down," Walsh said on "One Nation with Brian Kilmeade."

You mean this John Walsh?

Walsh was heard by Congress on February 2, 1983, where he gave an unsourced claim of 50,000 abducted and 1.5 million missing children annually. He testified that the U.S. is "littered with mutilated, decapitated, raped, strangled children,"[40] when in fact, a 1999 Department of Justice study found only 115 incidences of stereotypical kidnappings perpetrated by strangers, about 50 of which resulted in death or the child not being found.[41] 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walsh_(television_host)

 

And what part of this didn't you understand?

"Major cities, which some commentators have in recent years portrayed as overrun by crime, have seen significant declines in homicides, including double-digit declines in New York (11.42% as of Dec. 24), Los Angeles (15.45% as of Dec. 23) and Chicago (12.7% as of Dec. 27), per the AH Analytics murder dashboard, drawing from local law enforcement data across the country."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesfarrell/2023/12/29/homicides-see-historic-decline-in-2023-despite-perceptions-that-crime-is-on-the-rise/?sh=ffa5d6dd76e7

 

This is what real data looks like. Not the right wing rants of some dubious person who profits from peddling alarmism.

[Mike Lister]

I have removed a couple of posts, for the benefit of everyone, and those who are now resting, I have done so, not because of any political views I may have but because the posts were in violation of forum rules:

 

1) If you quote somebody/something, you must provide a link, telling people to go google it, is not a good answer.

 

2) Placing a laughing emoji on a moderators formal message is a very bad idea, if nothing else it makes us pay attention.

 

3) Deliberately misspelling the word Democrat with a vulgar spelling, is also a bad idea. Even worse is deleting the moderators correction notice and deliberately misspelling the word a second time, to achieve a similar effect.

 

4) Proclaiming to the forum that that the moderator only requires links, because he is aligned with a particular political camp is against forum rules, as is any comment on moderation.

 

5) When posters ignore a polite and informal PM to avoid certain behavior, ignoring it is not a good idea.

 

 

[Danderman123]

11 hours ago, uttradit said:

 Why western cities are getting worse. More welfare, more crime.

What are "western cities", and do you have data showing crime getting worse?