Trump has pleaded not guilty to 34 counts of falsifying business records

[Misty]

24 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Proven guilty of what and in which cases?

Lily-white, he is not.

 

"According to a 2016 USA Today analysis, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts during the previous three decades, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate. Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.^[1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.^[2] In the 1,300 cases where the record establishes the outcome, Trump settled 175 times, lost 38, won 450, and had another 137 cases end with some other outcome. In the other 500 cases, the cases were dismissed.^[1]

 

In 2016, Trump was elected as U.S. President. Numerous legal affairs persisted during and after his presidency. For example, between October 2021 and July 2022 alone, the Republican National Committee paid more than $2 million to attorneys representing Trump in his capacity as President and in his personal and business capacities.^[3]"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

[LosLobo]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Y'all are Trump silly if you think there's a snowball's chance in hell for a conviction, let alone any jail time.  At his age, he could be dead before the appeal process is done ????

 

New York grand jury only requires 12 of 16 jurors to agree there is a case to be made.

 

Good luck finding 12 people to convict in criminal court.  IF it makes it to trial.

 

DISTRACTION

The NY Grand Jury, of at least 12 of the 23 jurors, has already decided that there is a case to be made.........for the indictment.

 

The trial has yet to be finalised.

 

It could even be "bench trial" in which the judge would serve as the jury and make the final ruling.

 

 If a jury is chosen it will not be a Grand Jury but a 12 member jury of Trump's peers whose decision must be unanimous.

 

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Any ex-President is guaranteed Secret Service protection fore life.

But if found guilty and sentenced to jail time, still has to do jail but with secret service protection present in some form. Is that correct? 

[candide]

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

But if found guilty and sentenced to jail time, still has to do jail but with secret service protection present in some form. Is that correct? 

If not, no worryl! The Aryan Brotherhood will protect him! ????

[jerrymahoney]

19 minutes ago, scorecard said:

But if found guilty and sentenced to jail time, still has to do jail but with secret service protection present in some form. Is that correct? 

Well let me do some checking and see how the Secret Service handled it the previous time an ex-President had to do felony jail time.

[scorecard]

18 minutes ago, candide said:

If not, no worryl! The Aryan Brotherhood will protect him! ????

Why should he have any special protection? 

 

The millions he has scammed in his many failed business ventures and the poor naive MAGA folowers he has scammed for hundred of millions of $s got no protection.

[LosLobo]

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Wrong , which you could have read in my link earlier: Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree (Class E Felony) Falsifying Business Records | White Collar Crime Lawyers (theblanchlawfirm.com)

Keep up the good work with spreading nonsense.

To be fair, I would suggest that the poster was referring to the underlying case that the indictment was predicated on.

 

Nevertheless, any evidence and the usual disclaimer, shown below, was missing from the post:

 

"It's not for me to spend my time researching other posters claims. Try reading this at the top of the World subforum before making silly comments. "Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source".

[Pink Mist]

A troll post regarding a posted article by another poster has been removed. Continue to post such and you will face suspension.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Misty said:

4 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Proven guilty of what and in which cases?

Lily-white, he is not.

 

"According to a 2016 USA Today analysis, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts during the previous three decades, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate. Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.^[1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.^[2] In the 1,300 cases where the record establishes the outcome, Trump settled 175 times, lost 38, won 450, and had another 137 cases end with some other outcome. In the other 500 cases, the cases were dismissed.^[1]

 

In 2016, Trump was elected as U.S. President. Numerous legal affairs persisted during and after his presidency. For example, between October 2021 and July 2022 alone, the Republican National Committee paid more than $2 million to attorneys representing Trump in his capacity as President and in his personal and business capacities.^[3]"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donal

Lily-white, he is not".

I didn't say that he was.   I did ask what he has been found guilty of and thank you for confirming that, so far, he has not been found guilty of any offence. 

[billd766]

6 hours ago, vandeventer said:

All Trump wants is a fair trial.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/donald-trump-indictment-trial-fair-1.6797290

And to be found not guilty of anything at all.

[ThailandRyan]

You do understand that taking an offer or plea deal offered by the DA instead of having a court trial is the same as being convicted, right?

So in cases where Trump or his companies accepted a plea deal and paid out the sums required he/they were actually convicted.  A plea deal is what will keep him from serving time.  

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

5 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Any ex-President is guaranteed Secret Service protection fore life.

But if found guilty and sentenced to jail time, still has to do jail but with secret service protection present in some form. Is that correct? 

That would be for a judge to decide but no judge will have to make that decision because Trump will not be sentenced to jail, even if he was convicted and that won't happen either.

[Misty]

23 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Lily-white, he is not".

I didn't say that he was.   I did ask what he has been found guilty of and thank you for confirming that, so far, he has not been found guilty of any offence. 

Get ready for it. 

 

"As of November 2022, Donald Trump has been credibly accused of committing at least 56 criminal offenses since he launched his campaign for president in 2015. That total only reflects allegations relating to his time in or running for office and omits, for instance, Trump’s criminal exposure for fraudulent business dealings. "

 

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trumps-staggering-record-of-uncharged-crimes/

[Liverpool Lou]

5 minutes ago, Misty said:

Get ready for it. 

 

"As of November 2022, Donald Trump has been credibly accused of committing at least 56 criminal offenses since he launched his campaign for president in 2015. That total only reflects allegations relating to his time in or running for office and omits, for instance, Trump’s criminal exposure for fraudulent business dealings. "

 

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trumps-staggering-record-of-uncharged-crimes/

I'm ready for it but I'm still waiting, and still not one link to a case in which he has been found guilty of any criminal offence which was the point that I was making.  Anyone can make allegations but allegations are not "guilty" verdicts.

Edited April 9, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Proven guilty of what and in which cases?

The man has skirted the law his entire career. At one point he was involved in 3,600 lawsuits. Do you honestly believe a man who is being sued by that many small contractors is not guilty of more crimes than can be comprehended? Or, do you think he is an innocent babe, who is simply disliked? 

[stevenl]

31 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I'm ready for it but I'm still waiting, and still not one link to a case in which he has been found guilty of any criminal offence which was the point that I was making.  Anyone can make allegations but allegations are not "guilty" verdicts.

Doesn't a please deal change that?

[Liverpool Lou]

31 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

5 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Proven guilty of what and in which cases?

The man has skirted the law his entire career. At one point he was involved in 3,600 lawsuits. Do you honestly believe a man who is being sued by that many small contractors is not guilty of more crimes than can be comprehended? Or, do you think he is an innocent babe, who is simply disliked? 

"Do you honestly believe..."

What I am 'honestly' saying is that contrary to many suggestions here, he has never faced and been found guilty of any criminal charges.   If he has been found criminally guilty (and personal desires for him to be guilty of something don't count) show me where.  

Edited April 9, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[Pink Mist]

A grammar police troll post has been removed

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I'm ready for it but I'm still waiting, and still not one link to a case in which he has been found guilty of any criminal offence which was the point that I was making.  Anyone can make allegations but allegations are not "guilty" verdicts.

Here an example: Judge fines Trump $2 million for misusing charity foundation | AP News

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

That would be for a judge to decide but no judge will have to make that decision because Trump will not be sentenced to jail, even if he was convicted and that won't happen either.

So it’s you that had the forum crystal ball today. 
 

Out of curiosity, do you recall making any predictions that the Defendant would never be indicted, or arrested?

 

 

[spidermike007]

32 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Do you honestly believe..."

What I am 'honestly' saying is that contrary to many suggestions here, he has never faced and been found guilty of any criminal charges.   If he has been found criminally guilty (and personal desires for him to be guilty of something don't count) show me where.  

Trump has been found guilty hundreds of times, in cases where he defrauded people. You can argue it was his company that lost the lawsuit. But, who runs the company, and who decides when to commit the fraud, or crime leading to a lawsuit? 

 

https://www.azcentral.com/pages/interactives/trump-lawsuits/

 

And that does not take into account all the cases he lost as president, when he engaged in illegal actions. 

 

At last count, the Institute for Policy Integrity at the New York University School of Law found that the Trump administration has lost 79 of 85 cases involving federal agencies on deregulatory or policy issues — a historically low 7.1% win rate. (Most administrations have a 70% win rate). As The Washington Post noted, more than a few of these are cases we’ve brought on behalf of municipalities and organizations, successfully forcing the Trump administration to reverse course on illegal policymaking.

 

https://democracyforward.org/updates/trump-loses-93-percent-of-cases-we-know-because-we-win/

 

 

[LosLobo]

 

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I'm ready for it but I'm still waiting, and still not one link to a case in which he has been found guilty of any criminal offence which was the point that I was making.  Anyone can make allegations but allegations are not "guilty" verdicts.

I agree that the criminal defendant has not been held accountable in the past, based on your criteria and possibly you are only being the "devils advocate" here!

 

With respect and no reference to you, my suggestion to DT supporters, is "past performance is no guarantee of future results."

[Credo]

12 hours ago, vandeventer said:

All Trump wants is a fair trial.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/donald-trump-indictment-trial-fair-1.6797290

His idea of fair does not align with what the rest of the world sees as fair.   

 

[Credo]

12 hours ago, vandeventer said:

You say so but in New York???

Geography isn't the pivotal point.  Of course, he can get a fair trail in NY.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

19 hours ago, vandeventer said:

You say so but in New York???

How do you feel about other places, say for example Georgia?

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Can't you see that this and his other, very obvious character flaws make him unfit to even hold public office never mind the presidency? Honestly I'm really interested in just what is it about this guy that makes you suspend reality and ignore integrity, honesty and severe character flaws? Do you not think a POTUS should have integrity, honesty and standards?  Do you honestly believe he is emotionally qualified to become the next POTUS?     

Dislike of the other side is strong enough to make me support him, despite his obvious flaws.

 

Do you not think a POTUS should have integrity, honesty and standards?

Yes, which is why it's a shame that the US has had the presidents it had since I can't remember the last one that had all those qualities.

IMO the best was Kennedy, and apparently he left Trump in the dust in his quest to bed women not his wife. Since then, war mongers, outright criminals, liars etc.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump has been found guilty hundreds of times, in cases where he defrauded people. You can argue it was his company that lost the lawsuit. But, who runs the company, and who decides when to commit the fraud, or crime leading to a lawsuit? 

Are you are claiming the hundreds of times involves different companies? If so he must have been rather busy running them all!

Would it not be more realistic to say that he left managers to run them?

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Misty said:

Get ready for it. 

 

"As of November 2022, Donald Trump has been credibly accused of committing at least 56 criminal offenses since he launched his campaign for president in 2015. That total only reflects allegations relating to his time in or running for office and omits, for instance, Trump’s criminal exposure for fraudulent business dealings. "

 

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trumps-staggering-record-of-uncharged-crimes/

and of those 56 cases, how many has he been convicted for? They have had enough time to try him for at least some of them since he left office.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Here an example: Judge fines Trump $2 million for misusing charity foundation | AP News

The case was settled, so not found guilty in a court of law of a crime.

Ergo, never found guilty of a crime.

Edited April 9, 2023 by thaibeachlovers

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you are claiming the hundreds of times involves different companies? If so he must have been rather busy running them all!

Would it not be more realistic to say that he left managers to run them?

You mean his kids?