MFP reassures cannabis businesses amid plans to re-list as narcotic

[snoop1130]

 

The Move Forward Party (MFP) reassured registered marijuana growers and cannabis business operators that their interests will be safeguarded in the future, even if the drug is reclassified as a narcotic.

 

Deputy MFP leader Sirikanya Tansakun explained that the party’s primary objective in re-listing cannabis as a narcotic is to enable state officials, including the police and the Office of Narcotics Control Board, to fully control drug abuse.

 

Sirikanya Tansakun stated that new laws will be implemented to regulate the use, production, cultivation, import and export of the drug, which the caretaker government had not addressed. She emphasised that registered cannabis business operators and marijuana growers will continue to be protected and allowed to operate as long as they have the necessary permissions, reported Bangkok Post.

 

This statement comes in response to concerns raised by cannabis-related business operators and growers after the MFP pledged to re-list the drug as a narcotic in a memorandum of understanding signed with seven potential coalition partners.

 

By Mitch Connor

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[Pouatchee]

in other words we are taking things back under control. nothing about recreational or medical use. one step forward... no one left to sell too

Edited May 26, 2023 by Pouatchee

[timendres]

12 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

She emphasised that registered cannabis business operators and marijuana growers will continue to be protected and allowed to operate as long as they have the necessary permissions, reported Bangkok Post.

And who, exactly, will they be able to sell to if it is made illegal to use?

[NextG]

1 minute ago, timendres said:

And who, exactly, will they be able to sell to if it is made illegal to use?

That’s you just jumping to a conclusion..

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, timendres said:

And who, exactly, will they be able to sell to if it is made illegal to use?

And how much will they have to pay to get those permissions?

[timendres]

6 minutes ago, NextG said:

That’s you just jumping to a conclusion..

Not sure how a question is a conclusion.

[Gecko123]

Sounds to me like classic Thai-style political double speak:

 

No, we're not going to force you to shut down your business, but we are going to impose regulations and sharply restrict your customer base. You won't go out of business because we forced you to, you'll go out of business because the regulatory climate is more onerous and your customer base is so sharply curtailed your business will no longer be profitable.

 

I don't see how you can have cannabis re-listed as a narcotic and freely allow recreational use and cannabis tourism at the same time.

 

Lots of focus right now on the plight of cannabis vendors and growers, (and I'm not saying that they don't deserve some sympathy), but don't lose sight of the fact that there's a majority constituency out there who voted for parties opposed to recreational use of cannabis in Thailand.

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Gecko123

[NextG]

2 hours ago, timendres said:

Not sure how a question is a conclusion.

Re-listing it doesn’t necessarily mean that it will be illegal to use it. It might mean that you need a prescription or some other mechanism that won’t be too difficult for adults. Perhaps the shops more discreet. A middle ground so to speak. It’s not likely to disappear. 

[dinsdale]

Is it actually a narcotic and why is it/was it classified as such? This is the grown up conversation that's needed. Some very well connected and powerful people would like to see it criminalised again because it's been cutting in to their real narcotic business and profits. Much of the global narcotics originate in China. Very big business with very, very, very big profits. Best to demonise dope so the profits will keep flowing. Let's put it this way would you rather your kids were having a joint or yabba. Both are available. One is destructive the other isn't.

Edited May 26, 2023 by dinsdale

[JustThisOnePostOnly]

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Sirikanya Tansakun stated that new laws will be implemented to regulate the use, production, cultivation, import and export of the drug, which the caretaker government had not addressed. She emphasised that registered cannabis business operators and marijuana growers will continue to be protected and allowed to operate as long as they have the necessary permissions, reported Bangkok Post.

I find it very difficult to find fault with this statement.  But I see that many of you have succeeded?  Perhaps we're reading different statements.

 

Hard to see this as anything but good news.

 

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

3 hours ago, NextG said:

Re-listing it doesn’t necessarily mean that it will be illegal to use it. It might mean that you need a prescription or some other mechanism that won’t be too difficult for adults. Perhaps the shops more discreet. A middle ground so to speak. It’s not likely to disappear. 

Relisting it as a cat 5 narcotic means that possession and cultivation will again have to be a crime by definition. 

If they are looking for stricter controls through new regulations that is fine, but relisting it would make it illegal. 
 

If seems as if they are talking about relisting to please part of their voter base, but in reality it would be very difficult for that to happen, especially considering the hundreds of thousands of people now growing at home.  

[stoner]

ring ring ring ring ....hi is somchai there.

 

mommy...who's calling ? 

 

its the local jail we need somchai to go ahead and come back.

 

mommy.... somchai is not here right now please call again later.

[hotchilli]

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Move Forward Party (MFP) reassured registered marijuana growers and cannabis business operators that their interests will be safeguarded in the future, even if the drug is reclassified as a narcotic.

And there you have it in black and white.

Pita wants a clear unambiguous regulation that people can understand and the law can use.

Do it legally or get prosecuted.

Not the free-for-all Anutin left behind in his populist wake.

[hotchilli]

12 hours ago, timendres said:

And who, exactly, will they be able to sell to if it is made illegal to use?

Medical use... not recreational.. what do you not understand?

If they only want to sell as a recreational drug then they're in the wrong business.

[zzaa09]

12 hours ago, timendres said:

And who, exactly, will they be able to sell to if it is made illegal to use?

ThaiThink....

[hotchilli]

11 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

I don't see how you can have cannabis re-listed as a narcotic and freely allow recreational use and cannabis tourism at the same time.

That's is what they are stopping...

The Anutin runaway train bit, where Thais jumped on the last carriage.

It was always about the medical usage.. until it was hijacked by the free-for-all recreational users and sellers.

[redwood1]

Put all the reefer addicts in prison , problem solved.....One toke should be one life  sentence.....2 tokes should be 2 life sentences and so on.... 

[nobodysfriend]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

new laws will be implemented to regulate the use, production, cultivation, import and export of the drug,

 

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

registered cannabis business operators and marijuana growers will continue to be protected and allowed to operate

They want to control the production and use of the plant better by putting up new regulations .

Who will enforce these new regulations ...? I guess all will stay pretty much the same , with some minor changes maybe ...

[h90]

14 hours ago, timendres said:

And who, exactly, will they be able to sell to if it is made illegal to use?

No one but they need it keep silent till the government is formed

[quake]

2 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Put all the reefer addicts in prison , problem solved.....One toke should be one life  sentence.....2 tokes should be 2 life sentences and so on.... 

Sounds like you need a long toke on a well stacked bong. 

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by quake

[sammieuk1]

This genie will never fit back in the bottle like or lump it ????

[dinsdale]

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

And there you have it in black and white.

Pita wants a clear unambiguous regulation that people can understand and the law can use.

Do it legally or get prosecuted.

Not the free-for-all Anutin left behind in his populist wake.

Are we talking medical dope or dope for smoking. Two completely different things.

[hotchilli]

53 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Are we talking medical dope or dope for smoking. Two completely different things.

Cannabis for recreational use will become illegal, that is the plan.

 

[stoner]

3 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Put all the reefer addicts in prison , problem solved.....One toke should be one life  sentence.....2 tokes should be 2 life sentences and so on.... 

you went totally overboard with this. 

 

one toke ok life sentence i can get on board with that. but 2 tokes 2 life sentences. i would prefer lethal injection at that point. not sure too many places do a firing squad anymore but if they did that would be the most preferred method.

[bamnutsak]

3 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Cannabis for recreational use will become illegal, that is the plan.

It's one of many "options".

 

I don't think there is a "plan" as of today. There isn't even a Government yet, let alone a cabinet, let alone the opening of a Parliamentary session.

 

A Cannabis Control Act did pass the first reading OVERWHELMINGLY last year. That might be a good place to start with legislation?

 

373 MPs voted in support of the bill, with 7 against. 23 MPs abstained.

 

 

 

There are several options.

 

Re-listing Cannabis Flower as a Narcotic is a long-shot, ~ 5 % chance.

 

Medical only (probably not available to resident foreigners or tourists), control ceded to DTAM.

 

Personal use (called "free use" in the Thai Cannabis vernacular), with very strict controls, tracking seed to shelf and sale and limited retail outlets.

 

 

The MVF message seems to be "Look, this isn't a major issue for our government. There are many, many, many larger issues which need to be addressed. We'll sort the Cannabis issue and we'll consider the ramifications on existing producers and sellers so as to minimize the negative effects on them."

 

 

 

 

[h90]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Medical use... not recreational.. what do you not understand?

If they only want to sell as a recreational drug then they're in the wrong business.

How many doctors will prescribe it? What will it be minus 95% or minus 98%? No recreational and no self medication and too expensive to do it the right way.
That is from the producers point of view banning with some cosmetic.

[h90]

21 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

It's one of many "options".

 

I don't think there is a "plan" as of today. There isn't even a Government yet, let alone a cabinet, let alone the opening of a Parliamentary session.

 

A Cannabis Control Act did pass the first reading OVERWHELMINGLY last year. That might be a good place to start with legislation?

 

373 MPs voted in support of the bill, with 7 against. 23 MPs abstained.

 

 

 

There are several options.

 

Re-listing Cannabis Flower as a Narcotic is a long-shot, ~ 5 % chance.

 

Medical only (probably not available to resident foreigners or tourists), control ceded to DTAM.

 

Personal use (called "free use" in the Thai Cannabis vernacular), with very strict controls, tracking seed to shelf and sale and limited retail outlets.

 

 

The MVF message seems to be "Look, this isn't a major issue for our government. There are many, many, many larger issues which need to be addressed. We'll sort the Cannabis issue and we'll consider the ramifications on existing producers and sellers so as to minimize the negative effects on them."

 

 

 

 

The reasonable thing to do would be: ban every advertisement for it. Put some tax on it and put a harsh title on the law so the hypocrites are happy.

[bamnutsak]

They'll also have to figure out what to do about all the folks who registered for small, home grows.

 

As of 7:00 AM. on Monday, June 13th, the FDA reported statistics on the usage of the application that the total number of registrations has reached 735,932 names. About 713,544 cannabis registration certificates were issued and 22,388 were for hemp certificates. A total of 35,7511,572 system logins were reported so far.

 

Obviously not all those who registered are growing but it does need to be addressed in any changes.

Edited May 27, 2023 by bamnutsak

[h90]

4 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Put all the reefer addicts in prison , problem solved.....One toke should be one life  sentence.....2 tokes should be 2 life sentences and so on.... 

And why would you do that? You should only punish someone who does harm to someone else or at least endanger someone (like drunk driving). Someone smoking at home. Punish him because it is a sin or why?

[bamnutsak]

1 minute ago, h90 said:

The reasonable thing to do would be: ban every advertisement for it. Put some tax on it

Advertising is currently banned by edict from the MoPH.

 

AFAIK, VAT must be paid at the retail POS.