After today I have stopped helping anyone that needs help.

 

I was in a Pattaya restaurant this morning having breakfast when a old english fool started choking in the next table .

 

I was shocked into action without thinking as his Thai girlfriend started screaming.

 

I immediately went to the old fool and slappef  his back when he coughed up the food and then started abusing me .

 

Calling me the most abuse vile names , all whilst sitting their panting.

I stood there shocked looking at him.

The staff came over ,he said I was talking to that farang pointing at me .

So I was going to abuse him back but just went back to my table and left ,if I didn't leave I could or would of abused him.

 

Please don't ask for my help in future,if I see anyone in distress I will mind my own business 

You don't put your hands on them without some acknowledgement. You know better.

Did you give him some kind of warning ,you were going to hit him in the back ?

the shock of that while he was choking could have given the old fella a heart

attack , and you could have been up for manslaughter , so don't do anything

like that again , mind your own business like everyone else,....

 

regards Worgeordie

I must have you confused with another poster as being a health care professional. 

As you helped the guy today, I'm willing to bet that if there is a next time you're not going to just sit there and watch someone choke to death.

There are plenty of people out there who would be eternally grateful that you have saved their life.

banging on the bag is no use it just makes the person angry, you need to do the Heimlich maneuver 

OP : seems to me you were faced with a person choking on his food and you did what u considered necessary to assist in this apparent emergency. He coughed up the food, so you saved him.

You deserve applause not abuse.

But remember the old saying:

"every good deed deserves to be punished"

43 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You don't put your hands on them without some acknowledgement. You know better.

On whom?  Brits?

 

35 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I must have you confused with another poster as being a health care professional. 

Would that have been me?

 

I'd never hit anyone on the back for choking as the proper procedure is to reach around from the back and do the Heimlich maneuver. Don't know how to do it- find out as the life you save might be someone you love.

 

Perhaps he had a case of something gone down the wrong way and coughing, but not obstructed- happens to me occasionally. That might explain why he was PO about some stranger rushing in and hitting him.  

This is a small incident. Worse is when you help someone in a big way and they later turn on you. I got a woman from Uganda out of immigration jail in Thailand. I visited her and brought her food in jail week after week, negotiated with prison staff and police, paid her deportation ticket back home out of my own pocket. When I later visited her in Kampala with a view to settle in Uganda, she turned on me after finding out I wanted to go out with local women. She became hysterical at me, telling to everyone who wanted to hear that I had "used" her to get a Ugandan visa. Eventually I had to leave Uganda asap. My reward for saving her from rotting away in a Thai jail possibly for years.

 

I now better understand why the rich, who could afford often to help people, reluctantly ever do so.

1 minute ago, JackGats said:

This is a small incident. Worse is when you help someone in a big way and they later turn on you. I got a woman from Uganda out of immigration jail in Thailand. I visited her and brought her food in jail week after week, negotiated with prison staff and police, paid her deportation ticket back home out of my own pocket. When I later visited her in Kampala with a view to settle in Uganda, she turned on me after finding out I wanted to go out with local women. She became hysterical at me, telling to everyone who wanted to hear that I had "used" her to get a Ugandan visa. Eventually I had to leave Uganda asap. My reward for saving her from rotting away in a Thai jail possibly for years.

 

I now better understand why the rich, who could afford often to help people, reluctantly ever do so.

I learned long ago that no good deed goes unpunished.

 

The last time I tried to be nice to someone I didn't know was when I sold a device to a neighbour and said he could pay me when he could afford to. 3 months later paid hardly anything, though never short of fags or booze.

Lesson learned- don't be nice to people I don't know.

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

I immediately went to the old fool and slappef  his back when he coughed up the food and then started abusing me .

Errrr, if he "coughed up the food" from a slap on the back it likely wasn't obstructing his windpipe- probably just in his mouth. To push out food obstructing the windpipe takes the Heimlich maneuver to create enough pressure to do that.

Surprised it worked.

Aren't you supposed to do this?

 

 

Slapping him on the back, you might as well have just punched him in the face. Is that what actually happened?

 

 

 

 

55 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

banging on the bag is no use it just makes the person angry, you need to do the Heimlich maneuver 

Actually, the Heimlich maneuver is now recommended only as a last resort when someone is choking. Banging the person on the back should be tried before that (though only after encouraging them to cough).

 

Both the American Red Cross and UK National Health Service (NHS) recommend the following steps in order:

 

1. Encourage the patient to cough.

2. Give five slaps on the back after bending the patient forward.

3. Abdominal thrusts (aka the Heimlich maneuver) only if the previous methods fail.

 

Detailed advice from the NHS website below.

 

What should I do if someone is choking?

You tried to help a person who was obviously mentally ill. If I were you, I wouldn’t let that stop me from offering help in the future. You did the right thing and it was not appreciated.

5 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Actually, the Heimlich maneuver is now recommended only as a last resort when someone is choking. Banging the person on the back should be tried before that (though only after encouraging them to cough).

 

Both the American Red Cross and UK National Health Service (NHS) recommend the following steps in order:

 

1. Encourage the patient to cough.

2. Give five slaps on the back after bending the patient forward.

3. Abdominal thrusts (aka the Heimlich maneuver) only if the previous methods fail.

 

Detailed advice from the NHS website below.

 

What should I do if someone is choking?

Thank you for that update. I stand corrected.

In my defense it is many many years since I retired and did a first aid course ( we did them yearly ). In my time only babies were to be given a ( light ) back slap.

They might have changed the routine because the maneuver might cause some trauma eg broken ribs if done improperly.

Many things changed during my time eg we no longer did a finger sweep for CPR as it was determined that we might just push an obstruction down further.

 

However, from the OP the guy rushing in just started slapping on the back without checking to see if the victim was indeed obstructed, no encouraging to cough, and no mention of bending him over to give the slaps.

PS, doing a Heimlich maneuver on oneself if no one is around to help would still be the option as it is rather hard to slap oneself on the back.

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

banging on the bag is no use it just makes the person angry, you need to do the Heimlich maneuver 

He would probably accused the OP of trying to b*gger him!!

"An old English fool", say no more and for jebus sale don't mention the cricket.

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I stand corrected

Ditto that, I had no idea, I guess I'm relying on my memory of first aid taught at school in the 80s

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

banging on the bag is no use it just makes the person angry, you need to do the Heimlich maneuver 

yet he coughed up food.

6 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

yet he coughed up food.

Probably the anger made him cough it up. I thought everyone knew you do the Heimlich maneuver 

The headline of this post is - taken alone - utterly wrong.

 

But maybe the OP meant not to help if you dont know all or most of the circumstances surrounding the matter. Because IF you do, it is easy to determine if it is right or wrong by yourself: You will most of the time find to receive more goodwill yourself than you put into it.

 

But not only you may suffer by misjudgement, you could eventually even trigger the opposite consequences that you had in mind: You set a bird free to do it good, but after some minutes it might be eaten up by a cat.

 

But in the vast majority of times to help somebody would rather result in happiness for yourself. The unfortunate examples listed do not contradict that universal truth.

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

You don't put your hands on them without some acknowledgement. You know better.

Guy is choking to death and they need to negotiate something to proceed? 

8 minutes ago, whereyougo said:

Guy is choking to death

The OP only said he was choking, nothing about "choking to death! 

There is no need to turn it into an episode of Dr Kildare/Emergency Ward 10 etc!

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Probably the anger made him cough it up. I thought everyone knew you do the Heimlich maneuver 

My missus gives me a slap on the back, sometimes i get small items stuck in my Epiglottis, like a small hard tomato seed, or similar, and gasping for air, it works for me. 

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Probably the anger made him cough it up. I thought everyone knew you do the Heimlich maneuver 

You are wrong.

I pulled a drowning young Thai student out of a under current up at Mae Rim waterfalls many many years ago .......   not so much as a thank you from her or her assembled friends who just looked on ..........    I put it down to shock !   

Wait till he turns blue next time.