Trump liable for fraud, judge finds in New York civil case

[spidermike007]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t think it’s an either or.

 

I believe Donald Trump will spend the rest of his life fighting court battles.

 

With a bit of luck attending court will be a chance for him to get out of his cell, if so, I expect an end to his delaying tactics.

I hope and I pray he gets locked up. Don't forget. He has already spent his entire career in court. He defrauded thousands of small contractors. He was involved in over 3,000 lawsuits, at the time he became president. 

 

Hopefully they will finally put an end to the orange madness. 

[Lacessit]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That just makes him a good businessman ????

Yeah, like more than half a dozen business bankruptcies do.

I have to admit he's good at extracting donations from people whose IQ's fall in the idiot, moron and imbecile ranges.

[BusyB]

3 hours ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

If you are that sure that Trump is the real victim here then you should dig deep into your pockets and give all your savings to help this poor billionaire get justice. Remember they aren't coming for him, they're coming for you. He's just in the way. 

Brilliant post.

[KhunLA]

53 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Your rambling again. They can and they will. They will use the evidence collected by this case against Trump.

It's usually the other way around, and civil cases are filed after the criminal cases.

[metisdead]

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[pacovl46]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

That just makes him a good businessman ????

Trump was NEVER a good businessman and without his daddy's money he'd be fricking nothing! 

[Iamloki]

10 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Maybe shouldn't have run for president?

Maybe shouldn't have done a lot of things...

I think this is just the tip of the iceberg...

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

It's usually the other way around, and civil cases are filed after the criminal cases.

But not always.

 

Evidence, testimony from civil cases can and often does get used in following criminal cases.

 

A smart prosecutor can use this to their advantage, a smart respondent to a civil case may choose not to contest the case due to the risk of exposing themselves to criminal prosecution.

 

 

[Paradise Pete]

 

Looking forward to when they seize Trump Tower.

 

You know, the one that on 9/11, just hours after the collapse of the World Trade Center, Trump was bragging that it was now the tallest building in the financial district.

 

[xylophone]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

That just makes him a good businessman ????

Sarcasm.............I hope ozimoron!!!!!

 

Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million for Illegally Using Trump Foundation Funds 

Trump Ordered to Pay Eight Separate Charities $250,000 Each

 

TRUMP HAS FILED FOR SIX BUSINESS BANKRUPTCIES and has had many failed businesses:-

The Trump Taj Mahal in 1991 

Trump Castle Hotel & Casino in 1992 and Trump Plaza Casino 1992

Trump Plaza Hotel 1992 

Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts in 2004

Trump Entertainment Resorts in 2009

Not forgetting many other failed businesses…..

Trumped!, Trump Steaks, Trump Network, GoTrump, Tour de Trump, Trump Airlines, 7. Trump Vodka, The New Jersey Generals, Trump Mortgage, Trump: The Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Ice and not forgetting Trump University!! (In November 2016, Trump agreed to settle a series of lawsuits related to the school/Uni for $25 million.

 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Sarcasm.............I hope ozimoron!!!!!

dripping with it...paraphrasing the faithful. Didn't you hear that argument when the $750 tax return news was released?

[gargamon]

I wonder if Trump is tired of winning yet? 

[The Old Bull]

15 hours ago, Tug said:

How’s that old saying go?……you reap what you sow yea that’s the one or the hens have come home to roost is another anyway 250 million fine and finished with business in New York City hummm……..me thinks they have run him out of town!! 

Tar and feathers?

[bendejo]

13 hours ago, scorecard said:

I wonder if there's a law or whatever which can prohibit a named person from receiving donations?

Media has been dropping hints for months that Smith has been angling for something connected to his $$$ collection from his followers, e.g. that the Stop the Steal hoax is not only about election laws but part of a grift to get money from the fools.

Hey, Donnie Sr, now would be a good time to try to shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and see if it gets you arrested.  You can claim the victim is the guy who stole George Santos' shoes.  https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/rep-george-santos-claims-he-was-mugged-in-daylight-near-trump-tower-in-nyc-and-that-the-crooks-stole-his-shoes/

 

[neeray]

16 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Well well well another democrat state doing what ONLY the democrat states are doing. What a totally stupid thing to do - Trump will now simply take all of his business and wealth (reported at 2.5 billion) to Florida - people will lose jobs and now be fighting to get a job with the 100,000 odd newly arrived migrants. The $250 million is about 50 days of putting up the NY migrants. Trump will be well rid of the hellhole that is now NY. Just another nail in the coffin of that democrat state. Trump employs (2015) 22,500 people ish - those in NY can now wave goodbye to their old life.

The buildings aren't being demolished. The Trump name will come off the buildings (that will increase their value) and the buildings will be sold, unfortunately, possibly to Saudi interests. The buildings will continue to operate and employ people. There may be some staff adjustment but that should be all. As for his alleged wealth, many people always guessed that 2.5 billion was a grossly inflated, pie in the sky figure. That's all part of the Trump braggadocio. My guess is that if he were liquidated, his net worth would be miniscule. Only the offspring family should be concerned because "billions" won't be of much good to him in jail. Melania has probably already taken good care of herself.

 

The Trump fallacy is coming to an end soon. Bubba awaits him in jail.

[LS24]

Here is an article that ignore hyperbole and gives a few facts in layperson's terms.

 

The paragraph on 'disgorgement' should have the organisation seriously concerned.

 

As is the critical point regarding Mar-a-Lago's status. "However, the judge noted that it is not a home and in fact Trump agreed to forever treat the property as a social club and not convert it to residences."

Therefore it cannot be valued as residential or multi residential property. It can't be developed.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/27/politics/fraud-trump-organization-what-matters/index.html

 

[Srikcir]

13 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Trump no longer controls any assets in New York.

To clarify, a New York state chartered LLC, Trust, corporation, etc. can in turn hold out-of-state real estate like Mar Lago in Florida. Trump over the decades literally "put all his eggs" into one basket- New York (I'm sure there may be foreign assets held by offshore entities).

[MisterPooFarty]

14 hours ago, BarstoolChang said:

Always makes me laugh seeing a bunch of white boomers sitting in Thailand complaining about trump

Always makes me laugh to see generation alphas talking about white boomers complaining about agent orange.

[Skeptic7]

19 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Well well well another democrat state doing what ONLY the democrat states are doing. What a totally stupid thing to do - Trump will now simply take all of his business and wealth (reported at 2.5 billion) to Florida - people will lose jobs and now be fighting to get a job with the 100,000 odd newly arrived migrants. The $250 million is about 50 days of putting up the NY migrants. Trump will be well rid of the hellhole that is now NY. Just another nail in the coffin of that democrat state. Trump employs (2015) 22,500 people ish - those in NY can now wave goodbye to their old life.

NYC to Trump...

Good riddance loser... don't let the Big ???? hit ya in your big ???? ass on the way out❗????

 

NY will be well rid of the cheating con-man who constantly puts people out of work with his failures. (yet another example). Constantly stiffs contractors. Constantly dodges taxes.

 

Those employees will move on to other jobs, just as everyone has in the past. Trump is not NYC, much as he (and you) delude yourselves he his.

[JCauto]

15 hours ago, gwapofarang said:

My post was meant to provoke thought and hopefully honest debate thinking outside the box.

Perhaps you should write in a more thought-provoking way then? All I read were a bunch of banalities wrapped in trite generalities. There were no thoughts provoked other than "why did we both waste our time?".

[JCauto]

15 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

While I agree totally, I am simply questioning if this line of judicial attack will end up having the ultimate and  desired result. They got Capone on tax evasion, why not the Don? 

This is a precursor to that. By getting him on the random inflating and deflating of the values and nature of his properties, he was able to commit bank fraud and insurance fraud. Once those are proven, it's a very simple task to demonstrate that as a result, he paid less in taxes than he was supposed to. Remember he used these same methods to claim billion dollar losses that meant he owed no tax on quite high income several times. So it will be there, just a matter of time.

[newnative]

    Biggest lying, swindling, sleezy, multiple law-breaking grifter in the world.  You wonder how much more it will take before his followers will see the light.  Incomprehensible to me that he remains the front runner for the Republican nomination for President.  

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, JCauto said:

Perhaps you should write in a more thought-provoking way then? All I read were a bunch of banalities wrapped in trite generalities. There were no thoughts provoked other than "why did we both waste our time?".

You have greater perseverance than me.  I read a few lines of his post and dismissed it as the ramblings of someone who has too much free time but lacks the discipline to condense his thoughts into coherent statements.

[Skeptic7]

On 9/27/2023 at 2:47 PM, Tropposurfer said:

Watched a feed from a Facebook post by Glenn Kirchner (spelling?) today (he was a top end prosecutor).

Glenn reckons the 250 mil is a beginners figure and this could go much much higher by the end of the proceedings.

Trump is royally screwed, and isn't it such poetic justice after decades of ripping of contractors, stiffing banks, bullying and threatening and suing anyone who asked him to pay his bills, lying and defrauding the nation through bogus illegal tax returns. 

Because Justice...MATTERS❗????

[bendejo]

On 9/27/2023 at 3:03 AM, gwapofarang said:

For the Trump haters

BINGO!

 

[bendejo]

Worth noting that there is hardly any mention of his international dealings and properties.  Did anyone working the documents case ever consider having a look at his golf resort in Scotland?  Wouldn't surprise me if he was running a reference library of classified material for his strongman buddies.  And then there is the money laundering he did for Russian oligarchs before he entered politics.  Here's something for fun reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Hotel_and_Tower_(Baku)

 

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Court rejects Donald Trump’s bid to delay trial in wake of fraud ruling that threatens his business

An appeals court Thursday rejected Donald Trump’s bid to delay a civil trial in a lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney general, allowing the case to proceed days after a judge ruled the former president committed years of fraud and stripped him of some companies as punishment.

The decision, by the state’s intermediate appellate court, clears the way for Judge Arthur Engoron to preside over a non-jury trial starting Monday in Manhattan in New York Attorney General Letitia James’ civil lawsuit.

Trump is listed among dozens of possible witnesses, setting up a potential courtroom showdown with the judge.

https://www.wric.com/news/politics/ap-court-rejects-donald-trumps-bid-to-delay-trial-in-wake-of-fraud-ruling-that-threatens-his-business/

[candide]

Trump Freaks out After Judge Finds Him Liable for Fraud: ‘I AM WORTH MUCH MORE THAN THE NUMBERS SHOWN’ ????

https://news.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-freaks-judge-finds-him-025225996.html