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1 hour ago, mrfill said:

Except of course the UK, which reduced its category from B to C in 2004 and then reversed it back in 2009.

The current Home Secretary, Sue-Ellen Braverman is understood to want to increase it again to category A (7 yrs max for possession), but then she is too busy fighting her own acute incompetence and blaming others right now.

I would love to see Braverman facing a charge for crimes against humanity. Lock her up. 

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6 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

They make getting the prescriptions easy peasey in which case the shops can all stay open and fight each other for market share.

 

As you say, no regular pot user will stop, maybe they can't stop...

This is exactly how its done in California. Most California physicians recognize marijuana's medicinal value and will give a prescription to a patient. The patient then gets a card allowing them to buy and possess marijuana. Because marijuana is still a controlled substance, dispensaries have to be licensed and their number and locations are controlled by state and local governments. There is not a proliferation of weed dispensaries and those that exist are low profile, as befitting a pharmacy/chemist. 

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When one sees how horrible people become by excessive and daily drinking of booze, why need more zombies or jerks who over consume cannabis ?

 

Normal social drinking now and then with due moderation is great but that's not what the point is here.

 

Tackle the drinking issues first in Thailand as there are far to many young and old drunks, local or farangs,  all over the place.

 

Drink alters judgement and makes the drunks agressive individuals. Any age group, nationality  or social status would be concerned by people destroying their lives and making life hell for others due to their excessive consumption.

 

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4 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

The government are responsible for this current debacle.

 

Their incompetence and mismanagement of this issue, if it causes business and people to lose money, is directly attributable to their actions, thus they should be held accountable. 

Please tells all how the previous government are responsible for this current debacle.

 

I don't remember ANY cannabis shop being FORCED to open by the previous government, nor in fact by the current government.

 

The owners willingly spent their own money to open their shops and make money despite Anutin stating that the cannabis was for medical use only, and NOT for recreational use.

 

So please tell us all, why YOU believe that the government should pay for business losses.

 

If you are in business you take the profit and absorb the loss. If you can't take the loss then you shouldn't be in the business.

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6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Pot should be legal worldwide. It harms nobody, unless you count poor memory and lack of ambition as great offenses against the nation.
Illegal by who's definition? A corrupt, illegal government that is completely out of step with a changing world? Pot does little harm to anyone. The biggest risk is the the user will lose his ambition. Compared to alcohol the detriment to society is minuscule. Only completely backwards, and morally bankrupt officials continue to pursue these draconian convictions.

 

The only reason why ganga will become illegal in Thailand again, is to hand back the multi billion baht franchise to the RTP. That is it. It ends there. This has nothing whatsoever to do with morality or character development, mental health, nor the few kids who end up smoking too much. So what?

 

And to lump a pot smoker into the same category as a heroin addict is just plain old ridiculous and ignorant of the facts.

What are the side effects of marijuana? (drugs.com)

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11 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Why should they? The weed shops knew Recreational use was not intended and their business is probably 100% recreational sales.

 

You may take advantage of a loophole, but you don't bet the farm on it.

That´s 100%

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5 hours ago, 1duckyboy said:

This is exactly how its done in California. Most California physicians recognize marijuana's medicinal value and will give a prescription to a patient. The patient then gets a card allowing them to buy and possess marijuana. Because marijuana is still a controlled substance, dispensaries have to be licensed and their number and locations are controlled by state and local governments. There is not a proliferation of weed dispensaries and those that exist are low profile, as befitting a pharmacy/chemist. 

Your info is a little out of date. California has had full recreational weed sales for over 5 years.

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6 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Why should the government pay up?  Anutin said recreational use was forbidden, so the weed shops build their whole business model with an incredible threat hanging over them, they made a risky decision and it looks like it won't pay off.  No sensible businessman would have opened a weed shop with Anutin's warning, it should have stopped at the SWOT analysis in the business planning stage.

  There you go again,,,," but but but Anutin said,,,,"   as I explained before, it doesn't matter what he said. The words that came out of his mouth are one thing, what gets written in the statute book is another, and how the laws are implemented is a another factor, your views don't come into it, thankfully

            But turning things round a bit, if this whole issue was surrounding a U turn over the recent  proposals to derestrict artisan beers, forcing small micro breweries to pour thousands of gallons of premium artisan ale down the drain. I would bet a weeks wages that you, like all the other  hypocrites  would soon find some sympathy for those affected and would  be complaining how unfair it all was 

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2 hours ago, Sigmund said:

When one sees how horrible people become by excessive and daily drinking of booze, why need more zombies or jerks who over consume cannabis ?

 

Normal social drinking now and then with due moderation is great but that's not what the point is here.

 

Tackle the drinking issues first in Thailand as there are far to many young and old drunks, local or farangs,  all over the place.

 

Drink alters judgement and makes the drunks agressive individuals. Any age group, nationality  or social status would be concerned by people destroying their lives and making life hell for others due to their excessive consumption.

 

Sadly for you drinking is not illegal, I suggest you start a new thread on here promoting prohibition,  good luck

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1 hour ago, still kicking said:

Why do people post links to rubbish like that site (drugs . com) look at some of the cr@p they publish -:

 

"possibly"..."possibly associated with some cancers such as testicular cancer"   really?   Nothing to do with the fact that testicular cancer might be a real concern to the young men who just happen to be the target of this "advice" yet links to other cancers are unclear,. more unclear than "possibly associated" which probably means non existent .

 

May cause a "mood disorder"  what does that even mean? reading that rubbish would cause anybody to experience a mood disorder

 

Some respiratory problems,, Ok maybe, but after how many hundreds or thousands of joints?

 

Gastrointestinal issues, none of which would lead to the production of b/s like this list

 

looks like tiredness, drowsiness and fatigue all require a seperate listing in an attempt to bulk the list out a bit

 

and hidden in the middle of this rubbish "a false feeling of wellbeing"     its not a false feeling its a real feeling. and, eventually, "getting high" just to put all the non indulgers straight,  a feeling of well being and getting high are NOT considered as "side effects" by any users anywhere. They are the desired intentional primary effects

 

Finally has any body anywhere ever experienced the "facial flushing" referred to in the link?   somehow I doubt it very much  but i can think of one who posts extensively on this subject who will claim to have tried many "addicts" in court exhibiting such damning physical evidence

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14 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Yet he said in June 2022 as he legalised it...

 

"Thai Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said he expected legal cannabis production to boost the economy but cautioned that recreational use of the drug remains illegal.

“It’s a no,” said Anutin, who is also a deputy prime minister. “We still have regulations under the law that control the consumption, smoking or use of cannabis products in non-productive ways.”"

That's what he said, but made no moves to stop it.

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9 hours ago, Sigmund said:

When one sees how horrible people become by excessive and daily drinking of booze, why need more zombies or jerks who over consume cannabis ?

So you want to disuade people from drinking booze because they become horrible? Then you want to take away an alternative to booze because it makes them "zombies or jerks"?

 

I would argue that booze is more likely to make somebody act like a jerk. And to me a zombie is far more preferable than a horrible jerk. So what exactly is the justification for banning weed on the basis that people act shirtty when drinking? I'm really struggling to follow the logic.

 

Unless you just like banning any drug that people enjoy. In which case I hope caffeine is on your list of targets?

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4 minutes ago, mrfill said:

Over the last year there have been very few stories about cannabis incidents except for the usual shock horror nonsense ones. Society hasn't collapsed, the people seem generally not that bothered and life has continued as normally as one might expect. So why suddenly is there this weird all-out campaign to ban something which has done very little harm, if any and which has possibly even been beneficial for a lot of people, both mentally and financially?

It just doesn't make any sense.

Well the truth is weed is really pretty bad for youth.....But youth get weed legal or not....So this excuse will not fly.....

 

I think the crackdown has to do with politicians just showing they can do something.....With no observation or thought behind it..

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21 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

I think the crackdown has to do with politicians just showing they can do something.....With no observation or thought behind it..

I think somebody smells the money. 

 

I'm forecasting weed in Thailand to go the same way as cigs and beer.  Eventually, all weed for sale will have to come with a certificate of origin (commonly referred to as a tax stamp), and one or two families will control all the weed grown for sale.   Because they'll be the only ones who can buy the tax stamps.

 

They may still allow families to grow a few plants, as long as they're not for sale to the public.

 

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6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Loss of memory. Loss of ambition. 

 

What are the side effects of alcohol? Cirrhosis of the liver. Heart problems. Lung issues. Brain damage. Killing people on the roads. Shall I go on? 

So that makes marijuana ok then?

 

Marijuana might have a few more problems.....

 

Approximately 1 in 10 people who use marijuana will become addicted. When they start before age 18, the rate of addiction rises to 1 in 6.

Marijuana Risks

Marijuana use can have negative and long-term effects:

Brain iconBrain health: Marijuana can cause permanent IQ loss of as much as 8 points when people start using it at a young age. These IQ points do not come back, even after quitting marijuana.

Gears iconMental health: Studies link marijuana use to depression, anxiety, suicide planning, and psychotic episodes. It is not known, however, if marijuana use is the cause of these conditions.

Bicycle iconAthletic Performance: Research shows that marijuana affects timing, movement, and coordination, which can harm athletic performance.

Driving signDriving: People who drive under the influence of marijuana can experience dangerous effects: slower reactions, lane weaving, decreased coordination, and difficulty reacting to signals and sounds on the road.

Baby carriage iconBaby’s health and development: Marijuana use during pregnancy may cause fetal growth restriction, premature birth, stillbirth, and problems with brain development, resulting in hyperactivity and poor cognitive function. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other chemicals from marijuana can also be passed from a mother to her baby through breast milk, further impacting a child’s healthy development.

Arrow iconDaily life: Using marijuana can affect performance and how well people do in life. Research shows that people who use marijuana are more likely to have relationship problems, worse educational outcomes, lower career achievement, and reduced life satisfaction.

 

Know the Negative Effects and Risks of Marijuana Use | SAMHSA

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1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

So that makes marijuana ok then?

 

Marijuana might have a few more problems.....

 

Approximately 1 in 10 people who use marijuana will become addicted. When they start before age 18, the rate of addiction rises to 1 in 6.

Marijuana Risks

Marijuana use can have negative and long-term effects:

Brain iconBrain health: Marijuana can cause permanent IQ loss of as much as 8 points when people start using it at a young age. These IQ points do not come back, even after quitting marijuana.

Gears iconMental health: Studies link marijuana use to depression, anxiety, suicide planning, and psychotic episodes. It is not known, however, if marijuana use is the cause of these conditions.

Bicycle iconAthletic Performance: Research shows that marijuana affects timing, movement, and coordination, which can harm athletic performance.

Driving signDriving: People who drive under the influence of marijuana can experience dangerous effects: slower reactions, lane weaving, decreased coordination, and difficulty reacting to signals and sounds on the road.

Baby carriage iconBaby’s health and development: Marijuana use during pregnancy may cause fetal growth restriction, premature birth, stillbirth, and problems with brain development, resulting in hyperactivity and poor cognitive function. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other chemicals from marijuana can also be passed from a mother to her baby through breast milk, further impacting a child’s healthy development.

Arrow iconDaily life: Using marijuana can affect performance and how well people do in life. Research shows that people who use marijuana are more likely to have relationship problems, worse educational outcomes, lower career achievement, and reduced life satisfaction.

 

Know the Negative Effects and Risks of Marijuana Use | SAMHSA

Obviously a very conservative organization that put that one together! There are some effects, no doubt. All drugs have some effects. But, this study over exaggerates to a reefer madness degree. 

 

And sometimes the loss of IQ points is a plus. Some of the most disturbed people I have ever known, are some of the most brilliant. 

 

As they as fond of saying here, don't think so much. 

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