Modest drinker, no p4p, 60k month. Where can my friend afford live?

[Chris Daley]

60,000 baht a month and he is struggling?

[EVENKEEL]

Those of us who live here knows 60k mo is enough for a pretty good life. The others would seem are trolls.

[balo]

60000 baht is a luxury income in Thailand, he can afford anything he wants as long as he keeps the rent down.  I paid 5-8000 baht in rent for a 1 br condo with pool and a gym. 

So if he choose that option he can start saving money in the bank, it will be difficult to spend all that money in one month, unless he got a problem.  

[Celsius]

3 hours ago, NextG said:

that’s what ‘burns’ you and likely why you keep attacking him. 
He doesn’t need any of the things you mention. 

 

It certainly does not "burn" me or anyone with a healthy brain when people pay to be loved and touched. That is some twisted spin on reality.  I highly doubt his life is so great considering the amount of time he spends degrading women on this forum. 

 

What a joke, lol

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

It certainly does not "burn" me or anyone with a healthy brain when people pay to be loved and touched. That is some twisted spin on reality.  I highly doubt his life is so great considering the amount of time he spends degrading women on this forum. 

 

What a joke, lol

 

 

Did you see when he posted a photo of his lovely sexy Thai Wife ?

   Someone did a websearch and the same photo was on a Australian Female Escort site ????

    

[NextG]

27 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

It certainly does not "burn" me or anyone with a healthy brain when people pay to be loved and touched. That is some twisted spin on reality.  I highly doubt his life is so great considering the amount of time he spends degrading women on this forum. 

 

What a joke, lol

 

 

He’s not hurting anyone. No one is perfect. 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

2 hours ago, NextG said:

This is a discussion forum. I have little doubt that I have more experience with Thailand and travel than yourself. 
I speak from experience and also there are many actually living in Thailand who are recounting their experiences. Whilst you aren’t even in Thailand. You are simply fantasising about a life that you haven’t yet achieved. Whereas the people who are actually living the life are being denigrating by the people who haven’t yet reached their goals. Ridiculous, isn’t it?

Your insights into living in Thailand are no doubt valuable for a potential new expat. Keep an open mind though that someone who is in a somewhat similar boat in terms of considering a move, who has spent a lot of time there with a thai girlfriend but loves life in his home country, may have something to offer.

He will not only want to know if something is simply possible but whether it is worth travelling half way around the world for.

When push comes to shove he may read these posts and wonder if in fact it is wise not to keep a base in his home country, to go without health insurance, and he may have a network of friends and family at home and be quite happy, and realise building networks of friends and developing new romance, will come with certain costs - emotional and in terms of dollars. He may not have thought through what it actually would be like to live in a small affordable apartment if he has spent 20 years in a house.

His home country may be more expensive, but holidays in his car camping or going to the local beach where the water is clean, western food he likes, may in fact be cheaper than Thailand. Lots of things to consider. 

 

The fact that someone moves to Thailand later in life may not be a sign of weakness or of pathetic fantasising, but be due to actually having a good happy life in his home country, so a new life in Thailand has to be special, and not simply possible, to be bothered to do it. Being special might require a higher budget. 

[NextG]

1 hour ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Your insights into living in Thailand are no doubt valuable for a potential new expat. Keep an open mind though that someone who is in a somewhat similar boat in terms of considering a move, who has spent a lot of time there with a thai girlfriend but loves life in his home country, may have something to offer.

He will not only want to know if something is simply possible but whether it is worth travelling half way around the world for.

When push comes to shove he may read these posts and wonder if in fact it is wise not to keep a base in his home country, to go without health insurance, and he may have a network of friends and family at home and be quite happy, and realise building networks of friends and developing new romance, will come with certain costs - emotional and in terms of dollars. He may not have thought through what it actually would be like to live in a small affordable apartment if he has spent 20 years in a house.

His home country may be more expensive, but holidays in his car camping or going to the local beach where the water is clean, western food he likes, may in fact be cheaper than Thailand. Lots of things to consider. 

 

The fact that someone moves to Thailand later in life may not be a sign of weakness or of pathetic fantasising, but be due to actually having a good happy life in his home country, so a new life in Thailand has to be special, and not simply possible, to be bothered to do it. Being special might require a higher budget. 

The OP is with concern as to what kind of life and where, can the OP’s acquaintance have with an income of 60k baht. 
Despite your long and rambling post, I see no such information within. 
This thread is not supposed about you ????
 

[Keeps]

2 minutes ago, NextG said:

This thread is not supposed about you ????
 

Says the man with 58 posts on the subject.

[NextG]

Just now, Keeps said:

Says the man with 58 posts on the subject.

 

Better than a single useless post and yet you made it about me. Hopefully your next effort will be on-topic

[newnative]

48 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

Well, here's a reply to your  post even though i don't really believe it deserves one.

There are always going to be people on this forum devoid of any humorous  emotion , maybe down to age, maybe having spent too long with Thai's ( have a child like sense of humour) and just have nothing to do in their life but sit on this forum so they can 'nit pick' peoples reply.

So first and foremost i have no problem admitting that 20million (not sure where that figure came from) was incorrect but my figure of 9.6 million was not

Anyone with any real concept of reality will realise that this was an astounding amount of people that were visiting "the sin city of the world"

I was  there 17 years ago with friend's and  were stunned by the bar after bar after bar (probably 3 sq miles), full of women for hire

Not really been there for 10 years, fleeting visits to family but people i know have and nothing has really changed .

Pattaya may have added sand (recently) to the beaches to try and make them look like a beach but the water is poor and few people swim in it. There are very few children, hardly any in fact, I do not include Thai's but foreign children. Many Thais from Bangkok vacate there and locals are happy to spend time there.

Many expats who need all the comforts of a large city live there for that reason, choosing the darkside for the best of both worlds as you already know

As far as family facilities are concerned Pattaya may have increased facilities like a new  water park but even those are only used by Thai's, adults and expat children. what family facilities it does have, are rarely used by genuine foreign family holidaymakers children as they are few and far between

As much as you would like to make out that Pattaya is now this eutopia of a family holiday destination, what family facilities it does have, are rarely used by genuine foreign family holidaymakers 

Unless there has been a colossal turnaround, Pattaya is still what it always has been, a playground for sexpats, whether you like it or not.

So while my comments may be construed as totally incorrect by yourself, most people are able to put them into context without the need to pick it apart for arguments sake.

Have a nice day doing the same to others as i have now noticed that seems to be your unending  forte on this forum for some sad unknown reason.

 

 

    Guess I touched a nerve.   Your post stood out because of its incorrect--and from your current post--out-of-date information.  40 million people visited Thailand in 2019.  According to you, they were all the same and they all visited just for sex.   I'm not finding the humor in that, just someone being condescending and cutting--along with incorrect.

     You haven't been to Pattaya in 17 years but you've talked to some people.  Hmm.  Apparently that allows you to make more pronouncements in this post claiming that there are 'very few foreign children' and 'what family facilities it does have are rarely used by genuine foreign family holidaymakers'. 

    I wonder what exactly you mean by 'genuine'?  Shorthand for white westerners?  I guess foreign Asian families wouldn't qualify as 'genuine' or figure in the numbers--certainly 'Thais' don't, according to your statement.  In any event, how could you have possibly verified either of those statements since it has been 17 years since you spent any significant time here? 

      I have no idea what Pattaya was like 17 years ago but it has changed tremendously in the 12 years I have lived here.  I have never said what you have me saying, that Pattaya is a 'eutopia of a family holiday destination', but it has definitely been changing, especially in the past few years, to a beach resort that has more on offer to families than when you were last here.

     A large number of massive projects have been built in my 12 years here--and they continue to be built--everything from dozens of large highrise condo projects to Central Festival, Terminal 21, lots of housing estates, expanded retail, Columbia Pictures Aquaverse theme park, Ramayana water park, and a number of nice, new hotels.  On the horizon, Icon Siam and Aquatique.  The latest massive new hotel, Centre Point Space, is definitely geared to kids.  But, forewarned, a lot of those kids might be Asian.

     Something that was not here 17 years ago is the advent of huge, lowrise 1000 unit condo resorts, most  with a theme or based on famous places.  So we have Seven Seas, Espana, The Maldives, Atlantis, The Orient, Grand Florida, and a number of others.  Pre-covid, they were popular with families, who could book a condo with a kitchen to stay at, rather than a hotel room, using Airbnb.  Most of these projects are in Jomtien, away from the bar areas--as is a lot of the new development. 

     It's ludicrous to think that today's booming Pattaya is all thanks to sexpats, past and present.  Terminal 21, and all the other new projects, got built because Pattaya is attracting a growing and diverse visitor demographic, plus locals, to support the new businesses.   Terminal 21, and Central Festival, both have hundreds of stores, with many geared to women.  Sexpats are not keeping these stores, and the malls, open.  Ditto for many of the hotels.  But, of course, they contribute and are an important part of the visitor demographics.

    The reason Centre Point Space has more Asian tourist kids rather than your 'genuine' kids is simply down to changing Thailand tourist demographics.   We all know the 10.9 million Chinese visitors in 2019.  But, what is often overlooked is the visitor total from other Asian countries: over 16 million.   US and UK combined, a little over 2 million.  Your 'genuine' visitor kids among the 2 million perhaps got lost in the Asian visitor total of 26.9 million that year.  Maybe another visit is due and perhaps this time venture out from the bar areas to get a truer picture.

   

[Dene16]

4 hours ago, NextG said:

Nice rant, but why would a sixty year old retiree need ‘family facilities’?

Why the mention of no children in Pattaya?

Reference to children, or lack of, was obviously pertaining to the fact that Pattaya is still primarily catering for its adult cliental for obvious reasons

Pattaya was used ,obviously, as an example as to why it is full adult males that frequent Thailand. You choose to ignore that fact as it obviously does not fit with your agenda

I am beginning to wonder if you were bullied as a child or you have something deep rooted in your past which has created this need to insult multiple posters on this forum behind the guise of a hidden keyboard to the point i feel a certain empathy for you.

"Trust me you need to Get a life and move on"

[NextG]

2 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

Reference to children, or lack of, was obviously pertaining to the fact that Pattaya is still primarily catering for its adult cliental for obvious reasons

Pattaya was used ,obviously, as an example as to why it is full adult males that frequent Thailand. You choose to ignore that fact as it obviously does not fit with your agenda

I am beginning to wonder if you were bullied as a child or you have something deep rooted in your past which has created this need to insult multiple posters on this forum behind the guise of a hidden keyboard to the point i feel a certain empathy for you.

"Trust me you need to Get a life and move on"

Once again, you failed miserably in your delivery. You started with “Thailand” and now obsessing about Pattaya and sex tourism. 
Seemingly just a bit of a nasty character hiding behind a pretence of good humour. 
The OP stated that no P4P is involved. So your continuing obsessing with sex tourism only serves to illustrate what is uppermost in YOUR mind. 
Get it out of your system if you need to and then move on with your life. 

[still kicking]

9 minutes ago, NextG said:

Once again, you failed miserably in your delivery. You started with “Thailand” and now obsessing about Pattaya and sex tourism. 
Seemingly just a bit of a nasty character hiding behind a pretence of good humour. 
The OP stated that no P4P is involved. So your continuing obsessing with sex tourism only serves to illustrate what is uppermost in YOUR mind. 
Get it out of your system if you need to and then move on with your life. 

What is wrong with Pattaya? I've been there 17 times I don't go to pubs or clubs I just visit friends who all got a good employment at the Hilton or are self-employed.

[NextG]

Just now, still kicking said:

What is wrong with Pattaya? I've been there 17 times I don't go to pubs or clubs I just visit friends who all got a good employment at the Hilton or are self-employed.

You are quoting the wrong person..

[still kicking]

1 minute ago, NextG said:

You are quoting the wrong person..

Sorry my bad

[scubascuba3]

6 hours ago, Prubangboy said:

How much will Noi want to stick around without a long face?

Favourite quote for a long time

[scubascuba3]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Did you see when he posted a photo of his lovely sexy Thai Wife ?

   Someone did a websearch and the same photo was on a Australian Female Escort site ????

    

You can clearly see she's Thai though?

[Dene16]

1 hour ago, newnative said:

You haven't been to Pattaya in 17 years but you've talked to some people.  Hmm.  Apparently that allows you to make more pronouncements in this post claiming that there are 'very few foreign children' and 'what family facilities it does have are rarely used by genuine foreign family holidaymakers'. 

I did not say i had not  been in Pattaya for seventeen years just not spent time in the, Lets say, the more vibrant areas.

However i was there for 10 days staying in Jomtien, the Maldives of all places (booked ABnB) just as covid broke out  with my partner and our son

So you will have to understand my pessimism about families in Pattaya as there were no other children for my son to play with, hence my remark about something colossal must of  changed recently

I have been back  numerous times as stated in fleeting visits to family and on all of those occasions i have driven around to see what has changed. 

I agree with you that numerous units have been built and visually it has changed dramatically in some areas but from my observations they weren't full of families.

I will be visiting again in the next few months and i will see if things have really changed, in fact, i will make a concerted  effort to verify your statement and post my findings, admit that i was wrong or verify that Pattaya will always be Pattaya. I'm betting on the Latter.

 

[NextG]

9 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

I did not say i had not  been in Pattaya for seventeen years just not spent time in the, Lets say, the more vibrant areas.

However i was there for 10 days staying in Jomtien, the Maldives of all places (booked ABnB) just as covid broke out  with my partner and our son

So you will have to understand my pessimism about families in Pattaya as there were no other children for my son to play with, hence my remark about something colossal must of  changed recently

I have been back  numerous times as stated in fleeting visits to family and on all of those occasions i have driven around to see what has changed. 

I agree with you that numerous units have been built and visually it has changed dramatically in some areas but from my observations they weren't full of families.

I will be visiting again in the next few months and i will see if things have really changed, in fact, i will make a concerted  effort to verify your statement and post my findings, admit that i was wrong or verify that Pattaya will always be Pattaya. I'm betting on the Latter.

 

You arrived at the wrong time. You missed all of the Russian families. I’m not joking. 
It’s really not all sex tourism. There aren’t any bars at all in my area. It’s literally geared towards ‘normal’ tourists. In high season the Russian families arrive. 
What newnative states is true, but keep in mind that there’s a lot of infrastructure and tourism hasn’t reached prior levels. So who you meet may depend on when and where. 
Personally I have no contact with that industry at all other than in passing. It’s not Monaco, but life can be what you make it. 
There are nicer areas than where you stayed. 

[Dene16]

7 minutes ago, NextG said:

You arrived at the wrong time. You missed all of the Russian families. I’m not joking. 

I will be coming in high season and  somewhat excited to take my son to a new themed water park there Colombia Aquaverse which seems geared to a very young age group. i was even thinking of bringing one of his friends so he would not feel out of place. At about 1300 baht entry i don't expect to see many of the local populace. but i think it will give a good indication of the holidaying demographics.

If anyone on here has been there, your experience of it would be appreciated 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, JAFO said:

Define comfortable.  Does that mean holed up in a small box, walking everywhere he goes and eating at Big C or Lotus say 5 times a week and staying as long as he can to enjoy free AC? 

 

 

55555555555555

I paid 15,000 baht a month for a very nice hotel room with cable tv, hot water shower, cleaning, electric and wifi. It also included AC.

Out of 60,000 a month, that would leave lots for eating well.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Celsius said:

Thailand is the complete opposite of living back home. Back home once you get old the cost of living decreases as you get the support of the government and many benefits that come with it,

You obviously don't live in New Zealand.

[scubascuba3]

12 hours ago, Celsius said:

Thailand is the complete opposite of living back home. Back home once you get old the cost of living decreases as you get the support of the government and many benefits that come with it

Depends where you live, maybe you're planning to get on the benefits, my parents will be paying £13k a month soon in UK

[BritManToo]

16 hours ago, JAFO said:

Define comfortable.  Does that mean holed up in a small box, walking everywhere he goes and eating at Big C or Lotus say 5 times a week and staying as long as he can to enjoy free AC? 

I like walking and cycling, it's good for me.

But I have 2 scooters and an old pickup that cost almost nothing to run.

One of my scooters is the latest Honda Click 160i ...... 53KM/ltr, about 3 months old now.

 

My definition of comfortable,

Roof over my head and food in the fridge, woman I find attractive in my bed.

Plenty of books to read, music to listen and movies/TV to watch.

Happy children, no money worries.

 

Off cycling when my pal arrives (hope it doesn't rain).

[newnative]

3 hours ago, Dene16 said:

I did not say i had not  been in Pattaya for seventeen years just not spent time in the, Lets say, the more vibrant areas.

However i was there for 10 days staying in Jomtien, the Maldives of all places (booked ABnB) just as covid broke out  with my partner and our son

So you will have to understand my pessimism about families in Pattaya as there were no other children for my son to play with, hence my remark about something colossal must of  changed recently

I have been back  numerous times as stated in fleeting visits to family and on all of those occasions i have driven around to see what has changed. 

I agree with you that numerous units have been built and visually it has changed dramatically in some areas but from my observations they weren't full of families.

I will be visiting again in the next few months and i will see if things have really changed, in fact, i will make a concerted  effort to verify your statement and post my findings, admit that i was wrong or verify that Pattaya will always be Pattaya. I'm betting on the Latter.

 

     Maybe try Centre Point Space and see if it is getting any families.  Or, Amari has built a big, new wing with big suites that was built with families in mind.  I think there's a kids menu and some scheduled activities for children.  In Jomtien, you might try a project closer to the beach, such as Atlantis or Lumpini Park Beach.  You might also try Wong Amat, which has been popular with families.  My partner and I use the gym at the biggest Wong Amat resort several times a week and there are always kids around, although the majority appear to be Asian, which falls in with the changing tourist demographic I mentioned.  But, we usually see some 'genuines' here and there.

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, Dene16 said:

I did not say i had not  been in Pattaya for seventeen years just not spent time in the, Lets say, the more vibrant areas.

However i was there for 10 days staying in Jomtien, the Maldives of all places (booked ABnB) just as covid broke out  with my partner and our son

So you will have to understand my pessimism about families in Pattaya as there were no other children for my son to play with, hence my remark about something colossal must of  changed recently

I have been back  numerous times as stated in fleeting visits to family and on all of those occasions i have driven around to see what has changed. 

I agree with you that numerous units have been built and visually it has changed dramatically in some areas but from my observations they weren't full of families.

I will be visiting again in the next few months and i will see if things have really changed, in fact, i will make a concerted  effort to verify your statement and post my findings, admit that i was wrong or verify that Pattaya will always be Pattaya. I'm betting on the Latter.

 

Depends when during start of covid, as every place (tourist area) was a ghost town, for quite some time.

 

Especially April or May 2020 when even locals were told not to travel.  Then nothing opened up till 2021.  Not till those 'sandbox' thingys did tourist areas start to breathe life again, though most places still shuttered.

 

My daughter always found someone to play with when a youngin' and we were out & about ...  Poolside or surfside.

[Mike Teavee]

This video might be of interest to the OP's friend... 

 

It shows an example budget...

 

... and breaks it down so you can adjust it to your particular needs (e.g. We have friends & family visit a few times of the year so I go for 2br 2bth Condos near the Beach so obviously my Rent & Electric is a lot higher)

[JAFO]

14 hours ago, newnative said:

And, once again, how's his life going to be any better on $1,666 a month (60,000 baht) in, say, the US?

Well sadly if that is all the income the individual has, then he is really in for a long road.  I wish the fella the best. 

[JAFO]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

55555555555555

I paid 15,000 baht a month for a very nice hotel room with cable tv, hot water shower, cleaning, electric and wifi. It also included AC.

Out of 60,000 a month, that would leave lots for eating well.

good one and I laugh as well, but lets be realistic.  That said though, in the end it will all depend on what this guy plans on doing, how active he is etc.  I remember my early days here.  Thought "Hell.  I pay 8500 bht a month for a really nice condo, I can walk to anything I want so I do not need a car, Cell phone pay as you go.  Great for about a year.  Then.....rose colored glasses off, reality sets in and I required more and a better social life etc.  That's when life can become very strange because it is not a choice anymore. The person becomes trapped and life is about posting on internet forums to pass a day... ????