7 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

So you are judging the morals of the IDF by an explosion in a hospital car park, that all analytical experts are saying was almost certainly caused as a result of the misfire of a rocket launched by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror organisation …….. fine, so long as you don’t try and claim some kind of impartiality, or rationality further down the line.

No - I am judging the morals of the IDF based on the that the possibility of them committing such an atrocity is entirely plausible (likely?) to a great, great many people.

 

The IDF is in the same gutter Hamas.

IDF and Hamas are exchangeable terms when discussing the depths of human depravity.

The only real difference is the IDF's kill count is always higher  

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

No - I am judging the morals of the IDF based on the that the possibility of them committing such an atrocity is entirely plausible (likely?) to a great, great many people.

 

The IDF is in the same gutter Hamas.

IDF and Hamas are exchangeable terms when discussing the depths of human depravity.

The only real difference is the IDF's kill count is always higher  

Talking about human depravity...................

4 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Ok, being RT sensible nowadays is understandable. It works like kryptonite...

 

I've another "friend" that I would like to meet in person : nothing more than his excellency the Jordanian Minister of Foreign Affairs (yes, yes, an unbiased US ally) that shares and promotes the same anti-fake news emerging after the hospital bombing in Gaza.

 

He's a diplomat and thus not from the newly baptized group : "He didn't had the information at the beginning"

 

If you don't agree with his findings, please contact him through his Office in Amman. Thanks.

 

 

This has nothing to do with what you posted earlier. Not a big surprise, just sayin'....

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

Ok, being RT sensible nowadays is understandable. It works like kryptonite...

 

I've another "friend" that I would like to meet in person : nothing more than his excellency the Jordanian Minister of Foreign Affairs (yes, yes, an unbiased US ally) that shares and promotes the same anti-fake news emerging after the hospital bombing in Gaza.

 

He's a diplomat and thus not from the newly baptized group : "He didn't had the information at the beginning"

 

If you don't agree with his findings, please contact him through his Office in Amman. Thanks.

 

I don't need to contact your new friend in Amman via your propaganda twitter channel "Brainless Partisans". He's asking for an independent Investigation. Better ask Hamas, they control the area and hospital, they are the ones who have picked up any debris

24 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

No, the subject matter of the topic began long, long ago.

As much as it might suit you to dishonestly state otherwise.

The fact is, Hamas did not exist in a vacuum prior to October 7th.

 

Nope, this thread is about Israel being at war with Hamas, after the unprecedented barbarity that they perpetrated on Israeli civilians on 7th October; a rampage of slaughter from tiny babies to old holocaust survivors, including the physically disabled and pregnant. You are continually trying to defend this barbarism with deflection and constant raking over of history.

 

If you want a discussion about the complex history of Israeli - Palestinian relations, I suggest you start your own thread; while you continue to comment on this thread stay focused on the present situation, because you must realise by now that most other posters on here are not interested in your continual obfuscation

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

No - I am judging the morals of the IDF based on the that the possibility of them committing such an atrocity is entirely plausible (likely?) to a great, great many people.

 

The IDF is in the same gutter Hamas.

IDF and Hamas are exchangeable terms when discussing the depths of human depravity.

The only real difference is the IDF's kill count is always higher  

You keep pushing that 'plausible' bit - is that the talking point of the day?

Give it a rest. Look at the pictures. That the Arab world buys into it doesn't make it true, or even 'plausible'.

 

The rest of your rant, is just that - a rant.

 

48 minutes ago, Morch said:

World wide protests calling for completing the Nakba are simply not a thing.

I do not recall a mass demonstration in Israel specifically focused on this, even.

 

More deflections.

Watch a few of Abby Martin's Youtube videos with random Israeli's speaking candidly.

They are interviews of Israeli's speaking their minds - uncensored.

The fact is there is terrible people on both sides.

 

I have no need to deflect anything for I am rational and sane enough to be able to judge both sides as being terrorists and being guilty of crimes against humanity...., those wishing to portray either side as being morally superior to the other though, these are the people in dire need of deflections - deflections away from the truth. 

 

19 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Hmmm.

No evidence?

Disproved?

Propaganda?

 

The New York Times, with all the resources available to them, have yet to get to the bottom of the mass murder at the Gaza hospital - perhaps it is a bit early for internet keyboard warriors to be spouting off, eh?

 

The competing claims have not been independently verified. The New York Times is working to assess the various accounts through an analysis of photos, video footage and other evidence, as well as on-the-ground interviews. - The New York Times

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-explained.html

I see you have been suitably humiliated for this post already, but really, try to establish some balance in your view.

 

Edit:  This.  Thank you.  I guess sometimes you have to labour a point because it can be forgotten quickly in a thread as monstrous as this.  

 

MrMogoRisin said:

 

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I have no need to deflect anything for I am rational and sane enough to be able to judge both sides as being terrorists and being guilty of crimes against humanity...., those wishing to portray either side as being morally superior to the other though, these are the people in dire need of deflections - deflections away from the truth. 

 

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

Watch a few of Abby Martin's Youtube videos on the Israeli's speaking candidly.

They are interviews of Israeli's speaking their minds - uncensored.

The fact is there is terrible people on both sides.

 

I have no need to deflect anything for I am rational and sane enough to be able to judge both sides as being terrorists and being guilty of crimes against humanity...., those wishing to portray either side as being morally superior to the other though, these are the people in dire need of deflections - deflections away from the truth. 

 

There was no hospital bombing by Israel....................

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Watch a few of Abby Martin's Youtube videos with random Israeli's speaking candidly.

They are interviews of Israeli's speaking their minds - uncensored.

The fact is there is terrible people on both sides.

 

I have no need to deflect anything for I am rational and sane enough to be able to judge both sides as being terrorists and being guilty of crimes against humanity...., those wishing to portray either side as being morally superior to the other though, these are the people in dire need of deflections - deflections away from the truth. 

 

Martin, as in the former RT-host? The 9/11 'truther' one? Why would I want (or need) her to communicate what's going on in Israel?

 

Sure, there are Israeli extremists, this was not denied. Your claim was in reference to comments made about international mass protests though....

 

You might be a lot of things, objective or honest don't pop to the top of the list. And please, spare the moralizing nonsense, no one believes you anyway. Not even you, probably.

Just now, Thorgal said:

Israeli civilians also start to oppose the Israeli Government. Especially the families and relatives of those who have been kidnapped by Hamas militants.

 

As I said previously these Israeli hostages are also heavy bombed. If these Israeli citizens are kept at "official" Hamas places, than it's confirmed that they will be targeted as well as Hamas.

 

 

Told you already, don't need to watch or listen to your propaganda from twitter Channel "Brainless Partisans"

 

https://twitter.com/BPartisans/status/1714974397193126248

 

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

Israeli civilians also start to oppose the Israeli Government. Especially the families and relatives of those who have been kidnapped by Hamas militants.

 

As I said previously these Israeli hostages are also heavy bombed. If these Israeli citizens are kept at "official" Hamas places, than it's confirmed that they will be targeted as well as Hamas.

 

 

Russian sources are so unbiased and well known for their impartiality 😄

19 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

No - I am judging the morals of the IDF based on the that the possibility of them committing such an atrocity is entirely plausible (likely?) to a great, great many people.

Oh, so you’re making the judgement on your own fantasy, and then  claiming plausibility for it ….. you are starting to lose any rationale that you set out with; and you don’t speak for a great, great many people, although I’m not surprised to see you claiming to do so.

1 minute ago, proton said:

Russian sources are so unbiased and well known for their impartiality 😄

The recording equipment and the reporter in Tel Aviv was perhaps from Russian news outlet.

 

Only the Israeli civilians expressed their feelings and ideas in monologues without interference of the Russian reporter...

 

Nothing biased for me.

Head of Hamas security forces killed overnight, just announced on the BBC World News Channel via Palestine media.....

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Israel is not at war with Hamas, Israel is slaughtering civilians from 10,000 feet.

 

Hamas are killers of babies, so is the IDF

 

Hamas are killers of the elderly, so is the IDF

 

Hamas are indiscriminate murderers, so is the IDF.

 

The moral equivalency could not be more precisely aligned than between the evils of Hamas and the evils of the IDF.

 

The moral equivalency of your post has just set a new low.

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Israeli civilians also start to oppose the Israeli Government. Especially the families and relatives of those who have been kidnapped by Hamas militants.

 

As I said previously these Israeli hostages are also heavy bombed. If these Israeli citizens are kept at "official" Hamas places, than it's confirmed that they will be targeted as well as Hamas.

 

 

Yes, some of the people with family members want the fighting stopped and the government to do anything it can to get their family members back. Does that surprise anyone? That is one of the primary reasons Palestine took the hostages. 

 

Incidentally, how many hostages has the IDF taken since this started? 

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Israel is not at war with Hamas, Israel is slaughtering civilians from 10,000 feet.

 

Hamas are killers of babies, so is the IDF

 

Hamas are killers of the elderly, so is the IDF

 

Hamas are indiscriminate murderers, so is the IDF.

 

The moral equivalency could not be more precisely aligned than between the evils of Hamas and the evils of the IDF.

 

Israel is at war with Hamas. Hamas embeds itself within the civilian population it rules.

The IDF does not deliberately target babies or civilian, Hamas did exactly that on its attack.

Your are hardly an expert on international law, and you obviously do not understand how 'indiscriminate' is applied.

 

 

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Israel is not at war with Hamas

I honestly think you may have lost it completely now ..... time for a lie down

4 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

The recording equipment and the reporter in Tel Aviv was perhaps from Russian news outlet.

 

Only the Israeli civilians expressed their feelings and ideas in monologues without interference of the Russian reporter...

 

Nothing biased for me.

 

You could have simply used another source. Somehow you keep picking dodgy ones.

The bias would also be with regard to your analysis and interpretation.

Israelis having issues with the current government is nothing new, there were anti-government mass protests for months now.

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

all you have is a healthy dose of prejudice and a willingness to blindly support any nonsense that aligns with your  ideology on this issue.

irony alert, irony alert 

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yes, some of the people with family members want the fighting stopped and the government to do anything it can to get their family members back. Does that surprise anyone? That is one of the primary reasons Palestine took the hostages. 

 

Incidentally, how many hostages has the IDF taken since this started? 

I saw mention of about a couple hundred or so. Don't recall the exact figure.

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Maybe, maybe not.

 

You certainly don’t have definitive evidence either way, all you have is a healthy dose of prejudice and a willingness to blindly support any nonsense that aligns with your  ideology on this issue.

 

How high will Israel’s kill count go this time?

 

How many dead Palestinians do you think is an acceptable amount?

As many as it takes to erase Hamas and all its supporters from the face of the earth. War is not a game to keep count.  Should the IDF count the number of women raped by the Hamas animals and then rape the same number of women in Gaza? Don't be absurd. 

16 minutes ago, Morch said:

Martin, as in the former RT-host? The 9/11 'truther' one? Why would I want (or need) her to communicate what's going on in Israel?

But it is not Abby communicating anything, it is Israeli’s doing the talking - why would you be too scared to hear what the “morally superior” Israeli’s have to say about the “subhuman” Palestinians?

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1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Maybe, maybe not.

 

You certainly don’t have definitive evidence either way, all you have is a healthy dose of prejudice and a willingness to blindly support any nonsense that aligns with your  ideology on this issue.

 

How high will Israel’s kill count go this time?

 

How many dead Palestinians do you think is an acceptable amount?

I think you are lost, I think you have no idea how a war works. I think you should do some homework on how wars were ended in the past dealing with aggressor countries......

My own mother, who passed away at 85 years, still had thoughts of the Germans bombing London and her dodging the fall-out, bombed out of 2 houses too.

Civilians are always caught up in any conflict, with this one, you are defending the aggressors, Israel is doing its best to end it, for the sake of its own nationals who have been subjected to Nazi style atrocities.

 

If you want to point fingers, then point at the rulers of Gaza, it's their big mistake, and is totally of their own doing.....🥴

 

15 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Maybe, maybe not.

 

You certainly don’t have definitive evidence either way, all you have is a healthy dose of prejudice and a willingness to blindly support any nonsense that aligns with your  ideology on this issue.

 

How high will Israel’s kill count go this time?

 

How many dead Palestinians do you think is an acceptable amount?

Can you produce a picture of the hospital that was bombed? 

 

You can't, because the hospital was not bombed. You can claim that Israel attempted to bomb the hospital, missed, and the bomb hit the parking lot, but you are a liar if you claim the hospital was bombed, because it was not. 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Can you produce a picture of the hospital that was bombed? 

 

You can't, because the hospital was not bombed. You can claim that Israel attempted to bomb the hospital, missed, and the bomb hit the parking lot, but you are a liar if you claim the hospital was bombed, because it was not. 

If the New York Times has yet to obtain sufficient evidence to reach a definitive conclusion either way, what on earth makes you think you know enough to have reached a definitive conclusion?

1 minute ago, transam said:

Nope, you are just fishing, you have no understanding of how to deal with an aggressor......I think you should stand down, as you don't seem to understand anything...........🥴

And again you have avoided answering a simple question.

 

And I thought the side you’re supporting was supposed to be the civilised side.

Just now, Yellowtail said:

All of the ones that are members of hamas, all of the ones hiding and or helping hamas, and 20% of that total in "innocent" civilians. 

 

How many dead Jews do you think is an acceptable number of dead Jews?

 

 

 

Zero.

 

Look at that, no need for honest people to avoid answering simple questions.