ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

What truth?

"No knowledge of the article"? What do you mean?

You are speaking in riddles.

 

Clear and unequivocal post made, but a riddle to you......lol

[James105]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Zero.

It is one of the most densely populated places on earth and the largest age group of the population is 0 - 4.

 

How many of the 350,000 zero to four year olds do you think Israel will kill?

 

Which part of the concentration camp that Gaza is would you evacuate 350,000 infants to?

If Gaza is a "concentration camp" how is it that they have the freedom able to procreate so much?  

[Eloquent pilgrim]

44 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

allegedly

apologist 

[Neeranam]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Clear and unequivocal post made, but a riddle to you......lol

You say 'the truth hurts' -  what truth is that?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

28 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Why the animosity?

No animosity in his comment whatsoever; but you trying to play the victim is very sad but not surprising. 

[Yellowtail]

8 hours ago, Lorry said:

Mr Musks app is not what I would quote for anything...

But that's not my point.

 

I am surprised that the Guardian or the NYT (and others) talk of hundreds of dead.

The NYT is not Arab-owned and doesn't have a reputation for antisemitism.

Both talk about the possibility/likelyhood/whatever that a Gaza missile was the cause - but both don't dispute the death count. 

I have no idea what to think.

Actually, the New York Times and the Sulzbergers have a long history of antisemitism. 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Politicians?

Politicians are your more reliable sources?

 

🤣🤣🤣

The one doing the intelligence briefing were politicians?

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

There’s the ever present comprehension issue again. Why do you continue to get even the simple stuff completely wrong and then post outright falsehoods?

 

”No evidence on both sides”

I never said this.

You have just made this up and it is wrong.

Post after post you are distorting what others have said because your arguments are factually weak.

 

I said “there is currently insufficient evidence from either side to definitively reach a conclusion”.

 

Do you understand that what you have posted is false?

 

Do you actually believe that every random internet forum poster is an expert in missile or bomb crater analytics?

 

You and I are both not qualified to pass judgement on the validity of evidence being supplied by either side.

 

What are your qualifications in this field?

 

My initial comments were regarding the fact that whether Israel did it or not, whether it was deliberate or accidental or whether it ever even occurred the fact that many of the worlds major news agencies believed it was a credible accusation to be made against Israel given what they have already done and continue to do to the Palestinians clearly blows apart whatever claim Israel had to bring the civilised side.

 

You want to nitpick, go right ahead. The fact is that Israel supplied evidence (insufficient or otherwise), while Hamas did not.

 

Some posters have more experience than other with things military etc., some posters can look at a picture and see what's not there. That you wish to project your own ignorance? That's your choice.

 

The point made was that you keep echoing and broadcasting the Hamas version, not too complicated.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

No, you had to remind yourself of where the guardrails are that delineate the tiny bandwidth of this issue that you are willing to debate due to the complete lack of facts and ethics supporting your positions.

You're back to dishing abuse to anyone not seeing things your way? Get a grip.

[Thorgal]

11 hours ago, rabas said:

Breaking, 12 hrs ago

 

Army expert Lt. General Mark Hartley provides a complete explanation of the break up and fall of Hamas's errant rocket that fell on the Gaza Hospital parking lot, precisely following Rabas's earlier AN description.

 

This discredits many of the deflective posts about big craters and giant IDF missiles.

 

 

Army expert Lt. General Mark Hartley his testimony is not in line with the 2 Hamas Operatives audio tape provided by the IDF (see page 97 at the bottom from @BKK Brian).

 

Corroborating evidence is evidence that strengthens or confirms already existing evidence.

 

Hamas Operatives are confirming that the rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the entrance of the hospital (at least 25 meters from impact as per my observation). 

 

I'm not a rocket scientist, but seeing the Hamas rocket being flared up in the sky at high altitude is impossible to accept with this videotape trajectory that the fuel and or debris felt only a few meters from the rocket -boomerang- launcher on the parking lot of the hospital.

 

Bombing a hospital with refugees is a serious war crime.

 

 

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Zero.

It is one of the most densely populated places on earth and the largest age group of the population is 0 - 4.

 

How many of the 350,000 zero to four year olds do you think Israel will kill?

 

Which part of the concentration camp that Gaza is would you evacuate 350,000 infants to?

 

More demagoguery.

 

Hamas should know these figures better than Israel. Hamas acted as he did anyway. The consequences were obvious. There was nothing done (ever!) by Hamas to protect civilians under its rule. On the contrary, almost all Hamas military actions and decisions put its own civilians at grave risk. Hamas can stop this at anytime.

 

Somehow in your world, it's all Israel's responsibility.

Should Israel care more for the people of Gaza than their own rulers do?

 

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

You’re wrong here.

 

This war will end when international opinion reaches a tipping point against Israel’s uncivilised slaughter of civilians.

 

When the last bomb has been dropped on the last hospital - Hamas will still exist (and probably be even stronger than it was before October 7th).

 

Just think, all those dead Palestinian babies - for nothing.

Where did you buy your crystal ball?

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Being completely unbothered by world opinion is a very smart moral stance to take when you are in the business of slaughtering unarmed civilians and babies.

 

Hamas has exactly the same position, go figure?

And yet, you do not display much angst or rage regarding the Hamas on this topic. Your focus is almost entirely on Israel.

 

I wouldn't say Israel is 'completely unbothered', but obviously it pays more attention to the opinion of some countries. So far, though, seems like things are bit different on this front, relative to past instances. Past occasions, by this time, there would already be more of a backlash. Maybe this signifies some countries understanding that the Hamas attack was way 'out of line' and that response for it would be harsh. Then there are all them foreign casualties and abductees. Not sure why some posters think that governments should care more for the Palestinians than for their own citizens.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

You think it’s wrong to be repulsed by babies being slaughtered?

 

How amusing that not once did you guys complain about “too much baby talk” when the focus was on Hamas allegedly beheading 40 babies.

 

🤷🤷🤷

I can't speak for others, but I certainly commented on it earlier.

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Thanks for the clear answer. I agree with the UN(and Amnesty), there is apartheid in Israel. This, INHO, probably led to the current war.

Said a poster that confessed earlier in the topic not to know much about the conflict.....

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Why the animosity?

People don't like trolls. Just the way it is.

[proton]

20 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Army expert Lt. General Mark Hartley his testimony is not in line with the 2 Hamas Operatives audio tape provided by the IDF (see page 97 at the bottom from @BKK Brian).

 

Corroborating evidence is evidence that strengthens or confirms already existing evidence.

 

Hamas Operatives are confirming that the rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the entrance of the hospital (at least 25 meters from impact as per my observation). 

 

I'm not a rocket scientist, but seeing the Hamas rocket being flared up in the sky at high altitude is impossible to accept with this videotape trajectory that the fuel and or debris felt only a few meters from the rocket -boomerang- launcher on the parking lot of the hospital.

 

Bombing a hospital with refugees is a serious war crime.

 

 

 

Bombing a car park is not so good either, you still desperately want it to be Israel and try to excuse Hamas from doing it with all the real evidence pointing to Hamas. There is even a recording of them admitting it. Time to give it up pal, starting to look a little ridiculous.

[Bkk Brian]

47 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You say 'the truth hurts' -  what truth is that?

Oh dear, this is not the school playground, no need to dumb it down any further for you.

[Bkk Brian]

29 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Army expert Lt. General Mark Hartley his testimony is not in line with the 2 Hamas Operatives audio tape provided by the IDF (see page 97 at the bottom from @BKK Brian).

 

Corroborating evidence is evidence that strengthens or confirms already existing evidence.

 

Hamas Operatives are confirming that the rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the entrance of the hospital (at least 25 meters from impact as per my observation). 

 

I'm not a rocket scientist, but seeing the Hamas rocket being flared up in the sky at high altitude is impossible to accept with this videotape trajectory that the fuel and or debris felt only a few meters from the rocket -boomerang- launcher on the parking lot of the hospital.

 

Bombing a hospital with refugees is a serious war crime.

 

 

 

Since when was the smoking gun evidence the audio recording when its just a tiny fraction of all the presented evidence?

[Neeranam]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh dear, this is not the school playground, no need to dumb it down any further for you.

You are out of order now. Stop trolling.

You said to me, 'the truth hurts' when in fact there is no truth and you, as usual avoid answering a simple quetion, as you can't , fair enough. I expect an apology is something you find difficult.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

You are out of order now. Stop trolling.

You said to me, 'the truth hurts' when in fact there is no truth and you, as usual avoid answering a simple quetion, as you can't , fair enough. I expect an apology is something you find difficult.

LOL.......yea right, who's trolling......

[Thorgal]

3 minutes ago, proton said:

Bombing a car park is not so good either, you still desperately want it to be Israel and try to excuse Hamas from doing it with all the real evidence pointing to Hamas. There is even a recording of them admitting it. Time to give it up pal, starting to look a little ridiculous.

It's true, the evidences have been "pointed" to Hamas.

 

I've just pointed that the evidences are not corroborative. 

Any judge in civil court cases will dismiss your case based on non-corroborative evidences.

 

The audio tape recording has been labeled as non-Palestinian accent Arab dialogue...

Any judge in civil court cases will dismiss your case based on non-verified evidences.

 

I agree with you, it looks ridiculous.

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You are out of order now. Stop trolling.

You said to me, 'the truth hurts' when in fact there is no truth and you, as usual avoid answering a simple quetion, as you can't , fair enough. I expect an apology is something you find difficult.

Oh, your trolling thing, yet again, try growing up...................

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Channel 4 Reporter Challenges ‘Confusing’ Gaza Blast Claims: ‘Israel Has Form When It Comes to War Propaganda’

https://www.mediaite.com/uk/channel-4-news-israel-evidence-gaza-hospital/

They also rubbished the audio recording

“Hamas call this an obvious fabrication,” Thomson said. “Two independent Arab journalists told us the same thing because of the language, accent, dialect, syntax and tone. None of which is, they say, credible.”

Why would Hamas operatives say Palestinian Islamic Jihad instead of shorten version such as Islamic Jihad or simply PIJ and given the small  size of the Gaza strip its unbelievable that one of the operatives didn't know the location of the cemetery and directions were provided on the audio 

 

.@HananyaNaftali proudly boasted that Israel bombed Gaza’s ah-Ahli hospital before deleting and two minutes later lying that Hamas did it. He works directly under

Netanyahu.

 

 

"@HananyaNaftali proudly boasted that Israel bombed Gaza’s ah-Ahli hospital before deleting and two minutes later lying that Hamas did it. He works directly under

Netanyahu."

 

Fact Check: Explaining a deleted X post that said Israel is responsible for Gaza hospital strike

Hananya Naftali, a pro-Israel social media influencer who has worked as a social media adviser for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, posted on X that an Israeli airstrike hit a Gaza hospital, then deleted the post.

In a follow-up post, Naftali said he shared incorrect information based on a Reuters headline that referred to an Israeli airstrike. That headline and others later changed as more information emerged about the blast. 

 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/oct/19/explaining-a-deleted-x-post-that-said-israel-is-re/

[Danderman123]

9 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Did the New York Times retract their mistake and offer an apology?

 

You have once again, unsurprisingly, either completely failed to comprehend simple English or you have deliberately misrepresented what I have stated.

 

I have been very clear that there is not, at the moment, enough evidence for either side to definitively prove that the other side is the guilty party and therefore, anyone who values the truth and facts over partisanship and point scoring would acknowledge this reality and reserve their opinion until sufficient reputable evidence is provided.

 

Please provided proof that I have stated that I am sure the hospital has been bombed or withdraw your false claims and apologise.

 

 

This isn't high school, and the issue isn't what you said.

 

The issue is whether the hospital was bombed or not. Below is a photo of ground zero. You can provide your opinion of whether the hospital was destroyed.

 

BTW, the NY Times *is* changing its story.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

37 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

It's true, the evidences have been "pointed" to Hamas.

 

I've just pointed that the evidences are not corroborative. 

Any judge in civil court cases will dismiss your case based on non-corroborative evidences.

 

The audio tape recording has been labeled as non-Palestinian accent Arab dialogue...

Any judge in civil court cases will dismiss your case based on non-verified evidences.

 

I agree with you, it looks ridiculous.

 

Here is Ground Zero. Do you really think 500 people were killed here?

[Rimmer]

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[vinny41]

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"@HananyaNaftali proudly boasted that Israel bombed Gaza’s ah-Ahli hospital before deleting and two minutes later lying that Hamas did it. He works directly under

Netanyahu."

 

Fact Check: Explaining a deleted X post that said Israel is responsible for Gaza hospital strike

Hananya Naftali, a pro-Israel social media influencer who has worked as a social media adviser for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, posted on X that an Israeli airstrike hit a Gaza hospital, then deleted the post.

In a follow-up post, Naftali said he shared incorrect information based on a Reuters headline that referred to an Israeli airstrike. That headline and others later changed as more information emerged about the blast. 

 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/oct/19/explaining-a-deleted-x-post-that-said-israel-is-re/

bizarre that someone that works directly for  Benjamin Netanyahu relies on media outlet reporting  rather than internal Israeli  government  sources

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

bizarre that someone that works directly for  Benjamin Netanyahu relies on media outlet reporting  rather than internal Israeli  government  sources

What more bizarre is that so many believed Hamas that there were 800 killed by a bomb from Israel, just minutes after it happened

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

bizarre that someone that works directly for  Benjamin Netanyahu relies on media outlet reporting  rather than internal Israeli  government  sources

Netanyahu' social media team often fails like that. Nothing new. Like Trump, Netanyahu surrounds himself with the 'best' people. Loyalty more important than abilities and skills. Most of his cabinet appointments similar.