ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Neeranam]

Did anyone see the Andrew Tate  = Piers Morgan video?

2 <deleted> but intesting as both had good points, but obv both biased.

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

It's seemingly OK for him to ask others for links, yet when he is caught out lying he deflects. Sad.

 

You'll know all about that....

 

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Did anyone see the Andrew Tate  = Piers Morgan video?

2 <deleted> but intesting as both had good points, but obv both biased.

 

Link?

[Neeranam]

10 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You'll know all about that....

 

 

Link?

I know about all what?

 

I put a link to a YouTube video but it is obviosuly not allowed. 

 

 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   People who support the Palestinians because of Israel's actions in Gaza , is like people supporting the Nazis because of the U.Ks actions in Germany WW2

 

 

 

 

 

Please stop posting misinformation. I did not declare support for Hamas though I have sympathy for the mass killings and destruction of civilians and their property. Would be interesting to know what pressure is being applied to Qatar for shielding Hamas leadership. 

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Please stop posting misinformation. I did not declare support for Hamas though I have sympathy for the mass killings and destruction of civilians and their property. Would be interesting to know what pressure is being applied to Qatar for shielding Hamas leadership. 

 

No pressure, I think. Fits their strategy of playing regional politics as sponsors and mediators. Also differentiates them from Saudi Arabia (where Hamas is banned). This way they get to keep contact with Israel, though no official relations - and with each crisis, they become the focal point of diplomatic efforts. Things may change post-war, though - the Hamas connection possibly losing its value, Israel and the USA taking dim view of hosting leaders, as are neighbors. Plus, if Israel plans on taking leaders out, maybe better if that mess happens elsewhere.

 

Would be interesting where Hamas leaders would relocate to if and when - Turkey? Iran? Lebanon? Iraq? The list is getting shorter.....

[MrMojoRisin]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

Here's an opinion column I found interesting. Basically it's about how the 'rules' governing these clashes in the past do not apply this time - and the implications with regard to Hamas actions and options. The author, by the way, is often critical of the Israeli government's policies.

 

Hostage deal, even if it fails, shows Hamas’s desperation

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hostage-deal-even-if-it-fails-shows-hamass-desperation/

Delusional propaganda.

 

Its leadership registers Western discourse as a second-tier concern.

 

No support from the West = no Israel.

 

The prospects of a two state solution have never been greater - such is the catastrophic criminality of Israel’s unrepentant slaughter of innocent’s.

 

Second tier.

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[BarraMarra]

Can someone explain why Gaza has so many Hospitals compared to its size? A city like Newcastle upon Tyne only have 2.

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Delusional propaganda.

 

Its leadership registers Western discourse as a second-tier concern.

 

No support from the West = no Israel.

 

The prospects of a two state solution have never been greater - such is the catastrophic criminality of Israel’s unrepentant slaughter of innocent’s.

 

Second tier.

🤣🤣🤣

 

Propaganda how? The column isn't about exalting Israel's leadership. Not expecting you to have something cogent to say on things, but still - you've obviously haven't read it.

 

It's second tier in the sense that at present it's largely ignored. Israel's offensive have been carried through, so far, without many concessions to the pressure applied by Western countries. One could argue there wasn't a whole lot of pressure applied anyway - but that would imply Western countries are not fully onboard with the Israel Bad narrative you push.

 

All your hot words about Israel's guilt are just to mask what Hamas did, and what led to things being how they are. A bit different on October 6th.

 

As for a two-state solution, if it somehow materializes in realistic manner - that's great. Doubt anything would happen half as fast as you seem to imagine or wish for.

[Jeff the Chef]

Professor Jeroen Gunning discusses Hamas' strategy after the 7 October attack, its organisational structures and regional relations, and shares his thoughts on how the war will end.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8E0yUFIc2o&ab_channel=Channel4News

[Thorgal]

50 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Can someone explain why Gaza has so many Hospitals compared to its size? A city like Newcastle upon Tyne only have 2.

 

Newcastle upon Tyne has some 286.445 habitants.

Gaza has some 2.300.000 habitants.

 

8 times more habitants doesn't not only explains why Gaza has more hospitals.

Gazans are not free to go elsewhere (fi Egypt) as exception if the medical care can't be given in Gaza.

 

You can only compare 2 hospitals by the number of beds available (size) and the number of medical personnel per medical disciplines/specialties that are available.

Being forced to limited healthy resources and living conditions in Gaza under blockade will logically require more medical staff/facilities. 

[Jeff the Chef]

36 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Can someone explain why Gaza has so many Hospitals compared to its size? A city like Newcastle upon Tyne only have 2.

Only 2 main Hospitals, but 17 other specialist departments spread throughout the Tyneside area:

https://www.newcastle-hospitals.nhs.uk/hospitals/

[MrMojoRisin]

59 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Can someone explain why Gaza has so many Hospitals compared to its size? A city like Newcastle upon Tyne only have 2.

Need somewhere to treat the thousands of kids that (barely) survive the Israeli “precision” bombing.

[MrMojoRisin]

50 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Propaganda how? The column isn't about exalting Israel's leadership. Not expecting you to have something cogent to say on things, but still - you've obviously haven't read it.

 

It's second tier in the sense that at present it's largely ignored. Israel's offensive have been carried through, so far, without many concessions to the pressure applied by Western countries. One could argue there wasn't a whole lot of pressure applied anyway - but that would imply Western countries are not fully onboard with the Israel Bad narrative you push.

 

All your hot words about Israel's guilt are just to mask what Hamas did, and what led to things being how they are. A bit different on October 6th.

 

As for a two-state solution, if it somehow materializes in realistic manner - that's great. Doubt anything would happen half as fast as you seem to imagine or wish for.

Yes, this all started on October 7th - nothing prior to that date had any impact on events that followed.

 

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World opinion against Israel and for Palestine grows day by day, more importantly, the youngsters overwhelmingly support a Free Palestine.

 

Tick tock.

[Morch]

48 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Professor Jeroen Gunning discusses Hamas' strategy after the 7 October attack, its organisational structures and regional relations, and shares his thoughts on how the war will end.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8E0yUFIc2o&ab_channel=Channel4News

 

What are your thoughts on his words and the content of the interview? That is, bearing in mind it was conducted about a month ago, so some hindsight could be applied.

[Morch]

15 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Yes, this all started on October 7th - nothing prior to that date had any impact on events that followed.

 

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World opinion against Israel and for Palestine grows day by day, more importantly, the youngsters overwhelmingly support a Free Palestine.

 

Tick tock.

 

So, nothing on offer other than slogans, that's great.

[metisdead]

Some posts with unattributed content and the replies contravening our Community Standards have been removed. 

[MrMojoRisin]

Although the deal is seen by the Politico article’s authors as a victory for the Biden administration, they cited the government’s concerns that it would enable journalists to witness the extent of Israel’s devastation of Gaza and the war crimes it has committed.
 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231122-us-biden-admin-concerned-about-journalists-exposing-devastation-in-gaza-amid-ceasefire-with-israel/amp/

[TroubleandGrumpy]

13 minutes ago, Morch said:

What are your thoughts on his words and the content of the interview? That is, bearing in mind it was conducted about a month ago, so some hindsight could be applied.

I agree with what he said when advising that Hamas decided that they would allow thousands of Gaza civilians to die when Israel retaliated, in order for their own political gain. What Hamas has done in Israel is a genocidel war crime, and what Hamas has done since then in Gaza is a genocidel war crime.  I think the world is beginning to realise that Hamas is a murderous terrorist organisations, and that they do not care how many Gaza civilians die in Israel's retaliation because that is what they wanted.  Israel is in a no win situation, unless they exterminate Hamas and re-occupy Gaza to control the Hamas sympathisers. IMO Israel will be doing the world a favour, if they continue their attack until they destroy the war criminals that are Hamas, and their supporters. The only alternative is the continuation of the current cycle of terrorism and retaliation, which has been going on for the 16 years since Israel left Gaza.  Israel will pause - Hamas will re-group - Israel will then continue their campaign. 

[MrMojoRisin]

11 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

So, nothing on offer other than slogans, that's great.

Three very pertinent facts on offer:

 

1. This war is a result of events prior to October 7th

 

2. World opinion is rapidly turning severely against Israel

 

3. Younger generations are particularly appalled at Israel’s wanton slaughter of defenceless people which bodes very badly for Israel’s future prospects

[MrMojoRisin]

7 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I agree with what he said when advising that Hamas decided that they would allow thousands of Gaza civilians to die when Israel retaliated, in order for their own political gain. What Hamas has done in Israel is a genocidel war crime, and what Hamas has done since then in Gaza is a genocidel war crime.  I think the world is beginning to realise that Hamas is a murderous terrorist organisations, and that they do not care how many Gaza civilians die in Israel's retaliation because that is what they wanted.  Israel is in a no win situation, unless they exterminate Hamas and re-occupy Gaza to control the Hamas sympathisers. IMO Israel will be doing the world a favour, if they continue their attack until they destroy the war criminals that are Hamas, and their supporters. The only alternative is the continuation of the current cycle of terrorism and retaliation, which has been going on for the 16 years since Israel left Gaza.  Israel will pause - Hamas will re-group - Israel will then continue their campaign. 

Your thoughts on current world opinion are exactly wrong.

 

This time, global public opinion firmly backs Palestinians, and Israel's inability to control the narrative is compounded by the Netanyahu administration's awareness of legitimacy loss and looming legal results for war crimes

 

https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/columns/israel-losing-favor-in-global-public-opinion

[Morch]

17 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I agree with what he said when advising that Hamas decided that they would allow thousands of Gaza civilians to die when Israel retaliated, in order for their own political gain. What Hamas has done in Israel is a genocidel war crime, and what Hamas has done since then in Gaza is a genocidel war crime.  I think the world is beginning to realise that Hamas is a murderous terrorist organisations, and that they do not care how many Gaza civilians die in Israel's retaliation because that is what they wanted.  Israel is in a no win situation, unless they exterminate Hamas and re-occupy Gaza to control the Hamas sympathisers. IMO Israel will be doing the world a favour, if they continue their attack until they destroy the war criminals that are Hamas, and their supporters. The only alternative is the continuation of the current cycle of terrorism and retaliation, which has been going on for the 16 years since Israel left Gaza.  Israel will pause - Hamas will re-group - Israel will then continue their campaign. 

 

That's what you say, the linked interview actually took a very different approach.

[Morch]

17 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Three very pertinent facts on offer:

 

1. This war is a result of events prior to October 7th

 

2. World opinion is rapidly turning severely against Israel

 

3. Younger generations are particularly appalled at Israel’s wanton slaughter of defenceless people which bodes very badly for Israel’s future prospects

 

As said, slogans. You cannot address points made in a rational manner, nor discuss them in any meaningful way - all you have on offer is the same narrative, regardless of what you're responding to.

 

Prior to 7/10, there were more Palestinians alive, and less destroyed houses in the Gaza Strip. Being a keyboard warrior, you do not stop to consider that maybe, just maybe, Gazans would prefer going back to that reality, rather than embracing the death and destruction with the Hamas attack brought on them.

 

World opinion always turns against Israel at some point - but 'rapidly' how? This been going on for over a month now, with greater devastation than ever. The actual international response is weaker than previous times.

 

While it's great that you co-opt 'younger generations' the same way you do with Gazans and Palestinians - here are two facts, (a) younger generations eventually grow up, and (b) this isn't something which presents a current issue.

 

I'm not expecting you to address previous points made, not your thing. The above was to demonstrate that you can't even marshal your slogans.

 

 

[BarraMarra]

Get the remaining Hostages freed then back to business Smash Hamas once and for all flatten Gaza and rebuild it to a Western standard if they don't want that let them stay as they are take the hand live a better life, or stay in the stone age up to them, but if any attacks start again they will be dealt another backlash.

[Morch]

24 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Your thoughts on current world opinion are exactly wrong.

 

This time, global public opinion firmly backs Palestinians, and Israel's inability to control the narrative is compounded by the Netanyahu administration's awareness of legitimacy loss and looming legal results for war crimes

 

https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/columns/israel-losing-favor-in-global-public-opinion

 

 

If a Turkish pro-government news outlet is what you depend on to make such an argument, things must be dire indeed.

[MrMojoRisin]

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Get the remaining Hostages freed then back to business Smash Hamas once and for all flatten Gaza and rebuild it to a Western standard if they don't want that let them stay as they are take the hand live a better life, or stay in the stone age up to them, but if any attacks start again they will be dealt another backlash.

Back to business smashing Hamas, or back to business blowing up kids?

 

The dead kid tally is already over 6,000, how high would you like to see it go in order to “smash Hamas?”

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Get the remaining Hostages freed then back to business Smash Hamas once and for all flatten Gaza and rebuild it to a Western standard if they don't want that let them stay as they are take the hand live a better life, or stay in the stone age up to them, but if any attacks start again they will be dealt another backlash.

 

Big words there.

 

It is expected, however, that things might drag on - with Hamas negotiating further hostage release in small groups. The obvious goal to undermine the legitimacy and support for Israel recommencing the ground attack.

[MrMojoRisin]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

If a Turkish pro-government news outlet is what you depend on to make such an argument, things must be dire indeed.

Count the people in the streets my friend, count the people in the streets.

 

The tired old tactic of dismissing any information source that doesn’t kowtow to Israel is puerile.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Please stop posting misinformation. I did not declare support for Hamas though I have sympathy for the mass killings and destruction of civilians and their property. Would be interesting to know what pressure is being applied to Qatar for shielding Hamas leadership. 

 

   I was giving my opinion , disagree with you want , but please done declare it to be misinformation .

BTW, do you also sympathise with Germany getting bombed in WW 2 and the mass killings and destruction that that caused in 1944 ? 

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Back to business smashing Hamas, or back to business blowing up kids?

 

The dead kid tally is already over 6,000, how high would you like to see it go in order to “smash Hamas?”

 

Hamas doesn't seem to care much.

Gazans don't do anything to stop it.

 

 

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Count the people in the streets my friend, count the people in the streets.

 

The tired old tactic of dismissing any information source that doesn’t kowtow to Israel is puerile.

 

I'm am not your friend. Count how many people aren't on the streets, I guarantee there are more of them.

As for sources, there are plenty of other covering the same issues - not sure why pick a relatively dodgy one.