Netanyahu rejects claims accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza

[ozimoron]

 

[Bkk Brian]

14 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Pretty disturbing that. Here we have South Africa acting as the legal wing for Hamas and ignoring the real terrorists ongoing war crimes. Despicable. 

 

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Hamas teases ‘fate’ of 3 hostages — including Noa Argamani — in disturbing propaganda video

Hamas released a video Sunday of three Israeli captives – including Nova rave attendee Nao Argamani, who became the face of the hostage crisis after footage showed her being dragged off on a motorcycle.

The video included a disturbing teaser: “Tomorrow we will inform you of their Fate.”

Argamani, 26, and fellow hostages Yossi Sharabi, 53, and Itai Svirsky, 38, were seen for the first time since their kidnapping on Oct. 7 in the video released by the terror group.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/14/news/hamas-teases-fate-of-3-hostages-including-noa-argamani-in-eerie-propaganda-video/

Follow up video by Hamas has been released, 2 of the male hostages are dead, the girl Noa was forced to make the announcement. Talk about string out deliberate phycological torture for the families waiting for news from yesterday and the mental torture to Noa for having to make a second video.

 

Israel says it fears for lives of two hostages after latest Hamas propaganda video

IDF rejects terror group’s claim Itay Svirsky and another captive were killed when the military targeted a building where they were being held; Noa Argamani believed to be alive

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-it-fears-for-lives-of-two-hostages-after-latest-hamas-propaganda-video/

 

https://twitter.com/PiersUncensored/status/1746977281753350288

 

[ezzra]

11 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

It's pretty simple. 

 

Zionist = Someone that believes Israel should be allowed to exist as a Jewish state. 

 

Anti-Zionist = Someone the believes Isarael should be eradicated. 

Zionism is a peaceful ideology unlike Islam, that can be practised anywhere if left alone,

Israel however is a place where Zionist and non Zionist lives, (as well as many Muslims,

Christians and other religions)

 

The aim of Iran for some ungodly reasons, is that Israel shouldn't exist and again not clear why, thus,

Iran is doing all it's can and MORE to try to achieve this goal in any means they have and not even

hiding it any longer, not hiding the fact that there's a country in this world who want to destroy

and annihilated another country not even sharing borders simply because it hate Jews,

 

Israel must show a deterrent to whom ever plans any act of aggression that they will pay 100 folds for every pains and suffering they will cause Israelis and Jews so that they will think hard next time when planning such acts...

[Hawaiian]

46 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Follow up video by Hamas has been released, 2 of the male hostages are dead, the girl Noa was forced to make the announcement. Talk about string out deliberate phycological torture for the families waiting for news from yesterday and the mental torture to Noa for having to make a second video.

 

Israel says it fears for lives of two hostages after latest Hamas propaganda video

IDF rejects terror group’s claim Itay Svirsky and another captive were killed when the military targeted a building where they were being held; Noa Argamani believed to be alive

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-it-fears-for-lives-of-two-hostages-after-latest-hamas-propaganda-video/

 

https://twitter.com/PiersUncensored/status/1746977281753350288

 

Yes, despicable.  Where is the outrage by South Africa against Hamas for the taking of hostages and their torture?  There are also international rules against these crimes, not only genocide.  I believe they would prosecuted under the ICC and not the ICJ.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Zionism is a peaceful ideology unlike Islam, that can be practised anywhere if left alone,

Israel however is a place where Zionist and non Zionist lives, (as well as many Muslims,

Christians and other religions)

 

The aim of Iran for some ungodly reasons, is that Israel shouldn't exist and again not clear why, thus,

Iran is doing all it's can and MORE to try to achieve this goal in any means they have and not even

hiding it any longer, not hiding the fact that there's a country in this world who want to destroy

and annihilated another country not even sharing borders simply because it hate Jews,

 

Israel must show a deterrent to whom ever plans any act of aggression that they will pay 100 folds for every pains and suffering they will cause Israelis and Jews so that they will think hard next time when planning such acts...

 

Like many ideologies, Zionism is in practice multi-faceted.

 

I don't think you could seriously claim that the version of Zionism upheld by them illegal settlers in the West Bank, and the political powers representing or supporting them is 'peaceful'.

 

Making blanket comments is easy.

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Apart from Netanyahu's Amalek comments, which show clear genocidal intent. here's an article that purports to chronicle the negotiations between Netanyahu and his unity cabinet and Blinken during the days after the Oct 7 attack.  Basically, it took a lot of arm twisting to get Netanyahu and company to agree to any shipments of aid at all to Gaza. Another piece of evidence that shows genocidal intent.

 

 For Antony Blinken, the War in Gaza Is a Test of U.S. Power

https://time.com/collection/davos-2024-ideas-of-the-year/6551990/antony-blinken-israel-gaza-us-power/

[Yellowtail]

34 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Apart from Netanyahu's Amalek comments, which show clear genocidal intent. here's an article that purports to chronicle the negotiations between Netanyahu and his unity cabinet and Blinken during the days after the Oct 7 attack.  Basically, it took a lot of arm twisting to get Netanyahu and company to agree to any shipments of aid at all to Gaza. Another piece of evidence that shows genocidal intent.

 

 For Antony Blinken, the War in Gaza Is a Test of U.S. Power

https://time.com/collection/davos-2024-ideas-of-the-year/6551990/antony-blinken-israel-gaza-us-power/

First sentence a jab at Netanyahu and blaming him for everything after that. Typical. 

 

Who knew Biden was a Netanyahu puppet....

[Jeff the Chef]

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

First sentence a jab at Netanyahu and blaming him for everything after that. Typical. 

 

Who knew Biden was a Netanyahu puppet....

 

Birds of a feather, flock together.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Birds of a feather, flock together.

Oh, that's really deep.

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, that's really deep.

You're welcome.

I feel it needs to be kept simple for the majority on here.

[Hawaiian]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Apart from Netanyahu's Amalek comments, which show clear genocidal intent. here's an article that purports to chronicle the negotiations between Netanyahu and his unity cabinet and Blinken during the days after the Oct 7 attack.  Basically, it took a lot of arm twisting to get Netanyahu and company to agree to any shipments of aid at all to Gaza. Another piece of evidence that shows genocidal intent.

 

 For Antony Blinken, the War in Gaza Is a Test of U.S. Power

https://time.com/collection/davos-2024-ideas-of-the-year/6551990/antony-blinken-israel-gaza-us-power/

By October 16, Netanyahu had seen it all and must of been sick to his stomach about the unthinkable atrocities committed by Hamas.  Mostly likely revenge was on his mind.  It was Blinken who brought him to his senses and convinced Netanyahu that his violation of humanitarian rights was going to backfire mostly because the U.S. could not support Israel if they went down that path. 

Easy to say that emotions should not get in the way in dealing with such a delicate situation.  No one wants to be in this kind of situation and Netanyahu probably never thought he would witness such horrific brutality.

Now back to reality.  Now back to business.  Netanyahu had a job to do.  Hamas must never be allowed to repeat this.  In order to accomplish this, Hamas must be destroyed.  And so the war continued with many civilian casualties.  The IDF made mistakes.  Very difficult not to do when the enemy hides behind women and children and stores their weaponry inside or next to schools, kindergartens, hospitals and in the homes of civilians.  This is where we are today. 

It is up to the experts to sort this all out.  Many posters talk like they know it all, but they don't. 

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17 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

By October 16, Netanyahu had seen it all and must of been sick to his stomach about the unthinkable atrocities committed by Hamas.  Mostly likely revenge was on his mind.  It was Blinken who brought him to his senses and convinced Netanyahu that his violation of humanitarian rights was going to backfire mostly because the U.S. could not support Israel if they went down that path. 

Easy to say that emotions should not get in the way in dealing with such a delicate situation.  No one wants to be in this kind of situation and Netanyahu probably never thought he would witness such horrific brutality.

Now back to reality.  Now back to business.  Netanyahu had a job to do.  Hamas must never be allowed to repeat this.  In order to accomplish this, Hamas must be destroyed.  And so the war continued with many civilian casualties.  The IDF made mistakes.  Very difficult not to do when the enemy hides behind women and children and stores their weaponry inside or next to schools, kindergartens, hospitals and in the homes of civilians.  This is where we are today. 

It is up to the experts to sort this all out.  Many posters talk like they know it all, but they don't. 

Actually, what's far more plausible is that the article stated 

 "If Israel was going to proceed in its mission to destroy Hamas, it had to allow aid to reach civilians, Blinken told Netanyahu. He also made clear what was hanging in the balance: a visit from President Joe Biden, the prospect of which had leaked to the Israeli media but had yet to be formalized. A visit from Biden represented a critical gesture of support—and significant leverage." 

Has anyone ever accused Netanyahu of ever succumbing to a decent humanitarian urge when it comes to the Palestinians?

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24 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

By October 16, Netanyahu had seen it all and must of been sick to his stomach about the unthinkable atrocities committed by Hamas.  Mostly likely revenge was on his mind.  It was Blinken who brought him to his senses and convinced Netanyahu that his violation of humanitarian rights was going to backfire mostly because the U.S. could not support Israel if they went down that path. 

Easy to say that emotions should not get in the way in dealing with such a delicate situation.  No one wants to be in this kind of situation and Netanyahu probably never thought he would witness such horrific brutality.

Now back to reality.  Now back to business.  Netanyahu had a job to do.  Hamas must never be allowed to repeat this.  In order to accomplish this, Hamas must be destroyed.  And so the war continued with many civilian casualties.  The IDF made mistakes.  Very difficult not to do when the enemy hides behind women and children and stores their weaponry inside or next to schools, kindergartens, hospitals and in the homes of civilians.  This is where we are today. 

It is up to the experts to sort this all out.  Many posters talk like they know it all, but they don't. 

Also, Netanyahu actually invoked Amalek after this agreement was reached. So, it doesn't seem like there was anything in the way of humane feeling that prompted his retreat. Just to be clear, the quotation below explains that invoking Amalek means to Israelis. Not a quote from Netanyahu. He doesn't have to explain what that means.

Netanyahu's references to violent biblical passages raise alarm among critics

"The biblical commandment is to completely destroy all of Amalek. And when I'm talking about completely destroy, we're talking about killing each and every one of them - including babies, including their property, including the animals - everything."

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211133201/netanyahus-references-to-violent-biblical-passages-raise-alarm-among-critics

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4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Also, Netanyahu actually invoked Amalek after this agreement was reached. So, it doesn't seem like there was anything in the way of humane feeling that prompted his retreat. Just to be clear, the quotation below explains that invoking Amalek means to Israelis. Not a quote from Netanyahu. He doesn't have to explain what that means.

Netanyahu's references to violent biblical passages raise alarm among critics

"The biblical commandment is to completely destroy all of Amalek. And when I'm talking about completely destroy, we're talking about killing each and every one of them - including babies, including their property, including the animals - everything."

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211133201/netanyahus-references-to-violent-biblical-passages-raise-alarm-among-critics

Here's a relevant quote from that widely subscribed to document known in some circles as the Old Testament:

 

"Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. ³ Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ (1 Samuel 15:2–3 ESV)

https://intotheword.ca/view/why-did-god-command-the-absolute-destruction-of-the-amalekites

 

Saul subsequently incurred God's disfavor for not quite fulfilling his commandment.

[Morch]

Some people on here seem to take Netanyahu's words very seriously when it suits. Other time, dismiss them out of hand. Politicians say a whole lot of things, especially when cornered, stressed and fighting for their own political survival. We could wish it to  be different, but it is usually like this. What some people seem to forget is that if Israel had a policy, or a wish, to actually commit real genocide (as opposed to the nonsense touted on this forum and elsewhere) - it could do so. The reality is that while Palestinian casualties are high, they aren't going anywhere, and there is no real threat to their survival as a people or anything of the sort.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Here's a relevant quote from that widely subscribed to document known in some circles as the Old Testament:

 

"Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. ³ Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ (1 Samuel 15:2–3 ESV)

https://intotheword.ca/view/why-did-god-command-the-absolute-destruction-of-the-amalekites

 

Saul subsequently incurred God's disfavor for not quite fulfilling his commandment.

 

    You are claiming that that is Israels intent .

OK, lets put that to the test :

How many Ox. Sheep , Camel and Donkeys have Israel targeted and killed ?

[Hawaiian]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Here's a relevant quote from that widely subscribed to document known in some circles as the Old Testament:

 

"Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. ³ Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ (1 Samuel 15:2–3 ESV)

https://intotheword.ca/view/why-did-god-command-the-absolute-destruction-of-the-amalekites

 

Saul subsequently incurred God's disfavor for not quite fulfilling his commandment.

Who is God?

[Bkk Brian]

26 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    You are claiming that that is Israels intent .

OK, lets put that to the test :

How many Ox. Sheep , Camel and Donkeys have Israel targeted and killed ?

Netanyahu really needs to get his troops and air force in order. If they cant take biblical ramblings literally then what's the bloody point eh?

[Hawaiian]

47 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Also, Netanyahu actually invoked Amalek after this agreement was reached. So, it doesn't seem like there was anything in the way of humane feeling that prompted his retreat. Just to be clear, the quotation below explains that invoking Amalek means to Israelis. Not a quote from Netanyahu. He doesn't have to explain what that means.

Netanyahu's references to violent biblical passages raise alarm among critics

"The biblical commandment is to completely destroy all of Amalek. And when I'm talking about completely destroy, we're talking about killing each and every one of them - including babies, including their property, including the animals - everything."

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211133201/netanyahus-references-to-violent-biblical-passages-raise-alarm-among-critics

Just because Netanyahu acceded to Blinken does not mean his contempt for Hamas disappeared.  Those kinds of memories are hard to remove.  How you wish to interpret Netanyahu's words is up to you.   Enough said.

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5 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Just because Netanyahu acceded to Blinken does not mean his contempt for Hamas disappeared.  Those kinds of memories are hard to remove.  How you wish to interpret Netanyahu's words is up to you.   Enough said.

It's how it's how Israelis will construe what netanyahu said. It's widely understood in Israel what this reference signifies. Clearly, not so widely understood by most non-israelis.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's how it's how Israelis will construe what netanyahu said. It's widely understood in Israel what this reference signifies. Clearly, not so widely understood by most non-israelis.

It was a reference to Hamas not civilians...........jeez

[Hawaiian]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's how it's how Israelis will construe what netanyahu said. It's widely understood in Israel what this reference signifies. Clearly, not so widely understood by most non-israelis.

Yep, when people are pissed they say some awful things. 

[placeholder]

38 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Yep, when people are pissed they say some awful things. 

And when they see how it's received, they take it back. Unless they meant what they said.

[Jeff the Chef]

UN Secretary-General António Guterres has emphasized the imperative of establishing “basic conditions” to facilitate safe and full-scale aid delivery to civilians in Gaza while stressing that only a ceasefire will prevent the crisis from escalating.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145537?_gl=1*achl83*_ga*NDA4MTcwMjAzLjE2OTY3MzkxOTM.*_ga_TK9BQL5X7Z*MTcwNTM4NDE1MS4xOS4xLjE3MDUzODQxNTMuMC4wLjA.

[Nick Carter icp]

28 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And when they see how it's received, they take it back. Unless they meant what they said.

 

   People can try to twist the meaning around , but Bibi was referring to Hamas and not Palestinian people .

   What Bibi has said quite clearly is that this war is against Hamas and NOT the Palestinian people , he made that quite clear

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

UN Secretary-General António Guterres has emphasized the imperative of establishing “basic conditions” to facilitate safe and full-scale aid delivery to civilians in Gaza while stressing that only a ceasefire will prevent the crisis from escalating.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145537?_gl=1*achl83*_ga*NDA4MTcwMjAzLjE2OTY3MzkxOTM.*_ga_TK9BQL5X7Z*MTcwNTM4NDE1MS4xOS4xLjE3MDUzODQxNTMuMC4wLjA.

He also says:

Over 100 days have passed since the horrific attacks by Hamas that claimed the lives of more than one thousand Israelis and others, and resulted in the brutal seizing of hostages.

Every day I think of the anguish of the families I met.

I once again demand the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages.

https://twitter.com/antonioguterres/status/1747007162570650001

 

The UN Security Council Resolution agrees with him:

United Nations Security Council Resolution 2712 (2023) also calls for “the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages held by Hamas and other groups”.167

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Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   People can try to twist the meaning around , but Bibi was referring to Hamas and not Palestinian people .

   What Bibi has said quite clearly is that this war is against Hamas and NOT the Palestinian people , he made that quite clear

Which is why he fought against allowing any aid into Gaza? 

[Hanaguma]

10 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

UN Secretary-General António Guterres has emphasized the imperative of establishing “basic conditions” to facilitate safe and full-scale aid delivery to civilians in Gaza while stressing that only a ceasefire will prevent the crisis from escalating.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145537?_gl=1*achl83*_ga*NDA4MTcwMjAzLjE2OTY3MzkxOTM.*_ga_TK9BQL5X7Z*MTcwNTM4NDE1MS4xOS4xLjE3MDUzODQxNTMuMC4wLjA.

Of course. Only natural in a war that the civilians on the side of the party that started the war get aid. Just like the Allies provided aid to German civilians in WW2 when the goal was to wipe out the Nazis. Or aid to Japan to the civilians trapped in Japan by their warmongering government.

 

Oh wait...

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, placeholder said:

Which is why he fought against allowing any aid into Gaza? 

 

   The aid that Hamas stole and used for themselves and also could be used it to make more bombs and rockets 

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Which is why he fought against allowing any aid into Gaza? 

Why allow aid into Gaza? Most Gazans support and succor Hamas. Have been for years. Allowed Hamas to use international aid to build terror tunnels, used smugglers to bring in weapons, even let Hamas use their homes to imprison innocent hostages.  I can see no reason for them to receive any aid at all.