Netanyahu rejects claims accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza

[Morch]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I don't dispute that. But it's entirely besides the point raised by Hanaguma which I replied to.

 

No, it isn't.

[ozimoron]

 

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

This is a forum. All you do is search the web for video links critical to Israel and drop them on this topic with no added comment. spam. This hostage father knows about your ilk. 
 

Father of released hostage Emily Hand says Israel critics ‘don’t know a thing

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/father-of-released-hostage-emily-hand-says-israel-critics-dont-know-a-thing/

[Hawaiian]

33 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

This is a forum. All you do is search the web for video links critical to Israel and drop them on this topic with no added comment. spam. This hostage father knows about your ilk. 
 

Father of released hostage Emily Hand says Israel critics ‘don’t know a thing

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/father-of-released-hostage-emily-hand-says-israel-critics-dont-know-a-thing/

Plus, no replies from him when anyone counters what's in these videos.

[Hawaiian]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

The US has been pushing Israel to conduct a more target campaign for a long time. Fewer children would die if that course was pursued. There's nothing inevitable about the total number of civilian deaths.

I have yet to see any definitive recommendations as to how Israel can avoid this.  Talk is cheap.  The IDF has a job to do.  They also have a duty to minimize their own casualties. You seem to forget who started this latest conflict.  Or maybe you haven't and just like to argue for arguments sake. 

[Bkk Brian]

Horrific details ignored by SA and apologists here but not by Israel in the ICJ case or at home.

 

The Girls I Met in the Tunnels

It was in the tunnels that I met other young women. Most of them were just a year or so older than my 17 years. Some still had bloody gunshot wounds that had been left untreated in makeshift bandages. One had a dismembered limb.

I heard from them accounts of terrifying and grotesque sexual abuse, often at gunpoint. They told me that when they were sad and cried, their captors took advantage of their helplessness even more, stroking and caressing them, and then shoving and grabbing intimate parts of their bodies. 

They were treated like playthings.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-girls-i-met-in-the-tunnels

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Horrific details ignored by SA and apologists here but not by Israel in the ICJ case or at home.

 

The Girls I Met in the Tunnels

It was in the tunnels that I met other young women. Most of them were just a year or so older than my 17 years. Some still had bloody gunshot wounds that had been left untreated in makeshift bandages. One had a dismembered limb.

I heard from them accounts of terrifying and grotesque sexual abuse, often at gunpoint. They told me that when they were sad and cried, their captors took advantage of their helplessness even more, stroking and caressing them, and then shoving and grabbing intimate parts of their bodies. 

They were treated like playthings.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-girls-i-met-in-the-tunnels

It is horrific scenes like this that make it extremely difficult for any Israeli, including Netanyahu,  to contain themselves.  Yet we have one poster that condemns the Prime Minister for his choice of words.

[Rimmer]

An off topic history lesson link from an unapproved source has been removed also replies

[Hawaiian]

****Content from removed post edited out****

 

It amazes me how much Hamas accomplished in that sub-human open air prison. They managed to divert millions, possibly billions, of dollars in foreign aid to build an intricate tunnel system under schools, kindergartens, hospitals and apartment buildings stocked with you name it.  Had this money went where it was intended to go, Gaza would have a first class water and sewage disposal system.  Instead Hamas deprived Gazans of everyday amenities that their elite enjoyed.

If Hamas can treat their own people like this it is no wonder why they behave like depraved animals when attacking Israelis.

 

Edited January 17 by metisdead

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

It amazes me how much Hamas accomplished in that sub-human open air prison. They managed to divert millions, possibly billions, of dollars in foreign aid to build an intricate tunnel system under schools, kindergartens, hospitals and apartment buildings stocked with you name it.  Had this money went where it was intended to go, Gaza would have a first class water and sewage disposal system.  Instead Hamas deprived Gazans of everyday amenities that their elite enjoyed.

If Hamas can treat their own people like this it is no wonder why they behave like depraved animals when attacking Israelis.

 

 

With the wilful complicity of Israel in providing that money anything is possible.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

With the wilful complicity of Israel in providing that money anything is possible.

 

@ozimoron

 

So Hamas had nothing to do with it, then?

[Hawaiian]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

With the wilful complicity of Israel in providing that money anything is possible.

My post is about how the money was spent, not where it came from.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

My post is about how the money was spent, not where it came from.

 

My post is about where it came from.

[Jeff the Chef]

 

[Yellowtail]

7 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

I have yet to see any definitive recommendations as to how Israel can avoid this.  Talk is cheap.  The IDF has a job to do.  They also have a duty to minimize their own casualties. You seem to forget who started this latest conflict.  Or maybe you haven't and just like to argue for arguments sake. 

And you will not. 

 

None of the anti-Israel crowd will ever suggest anything Isarael could do differently, aside from effectively surrendering to Hamas. 

 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Hamas Killed many times more Israeli civilians than Iraqis killed American civilians. 

 

 

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

My post is about where it came from.

Of course, we know where it came from.  What is important is how Hamas diverted (stole) the money and used it on themselves and not on Gazan civilians like it was intended to be.

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/gaza-strip-hamas-unrwa-palestinians-palestinian-authority-b1979393.html

Then again, it is difficult to determine what you consider important, as long as you get your two cents in.

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

My post is about where it came from.

It came from Qatar, it was coming from Qatar monthly long before Netanyahu helped facilitate its cash transfer with Qatar. Of course this has been discussed numerous times weeks ago. Repetitive and irrelevant.

Edited January 17 by Bkk Brian

[Jeff the Chef]

Gaza expert predicts politics, public opinion will influence Hague court case

 

https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/gaza-expert-predicts-politics-public-opinion-will-influence-hauge-court-case/34JMP2FLKJFIDM5NV2TEILWGJE/

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Middle East Observer, funded by Qatar, another Al Jazeera wannabe. Piers must have got that data from the NYT and Washington Post. Its wrong and manipulated as they did not take into account the start of the Iraq war. Iraq war ran from 2003 - 2011. 

The claims and quote above is that "Israel has dropped almost 30,000 bombs and shells on Gaza in 100 days, eight times more than the US aimed at Irag in six years of war"

 

Why begin in 2004? Because US dropped MORE bombs than Israel! So to push fake narrative one must misrepresent. WSJ is usually reliable & supportive of Israel's actions but here 
@jmalsin @SaeedShah write in “Ruined Landscape of Gaza” same misrepresentation later cited by Kristof. The truth about US bombing did not support thesis so Iraq war dates were fudged. Operation Iraqi Freedom was launched by US & allies on March 19, 2003 and initial invasion phase ran to May 1. If one seeks to compare US & Israel bombing numbers to draw conclusions one MUST begin with the start of each invasion. Anything else is grossly misleading.

 

But if one looks at data hoping to show excessive Israeli bombing there’s a problem: US dropped 29,199 bombs on Iraq in first 4 weeks while Israel 29,000 in 8 weeks. So more concentrated bombing by US. The solution: Begin the US numbers in 2004, forget war started in 2003! 

 

Direct source data here published by US Airforce https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2003/uscentaf_oif_report_30apr2003.pdf

 

 

Thank you to Honest Reporting for the twitter thread

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

21 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Gaza expert predicts politics, public opinion will influence Hague court case

 

https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/gaza-expert-predicts-politics-public-opinion-will-influence-hauge-court-case/34JMP2FLKJFIDM5NV2TEILWGJE/

Really, a Gaza expert? Norman Finkelstein described himself as "an old-fashioned communist", in the sense that he "see[s] no value whatsoever in states."[23]

 

He also thought he was a West Bank expert:

 

Through personal accounts, he compares the plight of the Palestinians living under the Israeli occupation with the horrors of the Nazis.[6]. The book was unfavorably reviewed by Joost Hiltermann, who objected to Finkelstein's "abrasiveness, righteous anger, hyperbole, distortions and unwarranted generalizations", and to his generalizations about West Bank Palestinians:

Finkelstein commits the error of assuming that he saw everything there was to see during his trips to the West Bank, and that what he saw represented reality. This leads to absurd observations. He claims, for example, that "many Palestinians are fluent in English" (p. 4), that "many" homes he visited were "equipped with the latest, wide-screen, color models" of television (p. 6), and that "women wore bikinis at the beach" (p. 18).[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein

 

 

 

 

[Hawaiian]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Really, a Gaza expert? Norman Finkelstein described himself as "an old-fashioned communist", in the sense that he "see[s] no value whatsoever in states."[23]

 

He also thought he was a West Bank expert:

 

Through personal accounts, he compares the plight of the Palestinians living under the Israeli occupation with the horrors of the Nazis.[6]. The book was unfavorably reviewed by Joost Hiltermann, who objected to Finkelstein's "abrasiveness, righteous anger, hyperbole, distortions and unwarranted generalizations", and to his generalizations about West Bank Palestinians:

Finkelstein commits the error of assuming that he saw everything there was to see during his trips to the West Bank, and that what he saw represented reality. This leads to absurd observations. He claims, for example, that "many Palestinians are fluent in English" (p. 4), that "many" homes he visited were "equipped with the latest, wide-screen, color models" of television (p. 6), and that "women wore bikinis at the beach" (p. 18).[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein

 

 

 

 

Sure his name isn't Frankenstein?

[Morch]

7 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Gaza expert predicts politics, public opinion will influence Hague court case

 

https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/gaza-expert-predicts-politics-public-opinion-will-influence-hauge-court-case/34JMP2FLKJFIDM5NV2TEILWGJE/

 

That's a nonsense, low quality article.

 

For starters, it claims

 

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Israeli armed forces have killed more than 20,000 Palestinian civilians

 

That number actually refers to total casualties, including Hamas men.

 

Then it there's this one:

 

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Hospitals, schools and refugee camps have been bombed

 

What 'hospitals' were bombed?

 

As for

 

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Gaza expert

 

Not really. As far as I'm aware he never set foot in Gaza, does not have command of the language. He does hate Israel, Zionism and the rest, so right up your alley, of course.

 

Goes to show how deep you need to dig to find something to back up (well, try and fail) your warped views.

[Jeff the Chef]

37 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

That's a nonsense, low quality article.

 

For starters, it claims

 

 

That number actually refers to total casualties, including Hamas men.

 

Then it there's this one:

 

 

What 'hospitals' were bombed?

 

As for

 

 

Not really. As far as I'm aware he never set foot in Gaza, does not have command of the language. He does hate Israel, Zionism and the rest, so right up your alley, of course.

 

Goes to show how deep you need to dig to find something to back up (well, try and fail) your warped views.

Thought that would bring out your love for Norm, just finished watching American Radical: The Trials of Norman Finkelstein, absolute legend.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Thought that would bring out your love for Norm, just finished watching American Radical: The Trials of Norman Finkelstein, absolute legend.

 

So nothing on topic, or even on the daft link you posted - just the usual pointless trolling.

[Bkk Brian]

Sometimes we can't even find the words to describe the bravery, courage and compassion of so many Israelis  whose lives have been destroyed by October 7th. 

 

"They want [us] to be afraid all the time. That's their way to make us weak" - Iris Haim, whose son had also been taken hostage, describes Hamas' psychological terror tactics in her first UK TV interview, following the release of footage depicting hostage Noa Argamani, announcing under duress, the murder of Itai Svirsky and Yossi Sharabi

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

I fail to see many countries backing SA, Iran being one..................

 

France says accusing Israel of genocide ‘crosses moral threshold,’ is exploitative

France does not back South Africa’s case against Israel at the UN’s top court accusing the country of committing “genocide” against Palestinians in Gaza, the French foreign minister says.

“Accusing the Jewish state of genocide crosses a moral threshold. The notion of genocide cannot be exploited for political ends,” Foreign Minister Stephane Sejourne tells parliament.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/france-says-accusing-israel-of-genocide-crosses-moral-threshold-is-exploitative/

[sirineou]

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Netanyahu rejects claims accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza

No <excrement> !

[sirineou]

21 minutes ago, sirineou said:

No <excrement> !

There seemed to be one who was confused. 

The word I was going to use would had been <deleted> so I saved them the trouble and substituted a similar word that would not.

ofcourse , that's what netanyahu would say. What else could he say 

"Ohhh you guys.. you got me ! ok ok ok , soryyyyy. I will stop ,,

Soon. " 

[Bkk Brian]

This is interesting. In March, 2023, the Islamic Fatwa Council issued a FATWA directly BLAMING Hamas for the oppression of Palestinians in Gaza and calling on the terrorist group to make peace with Israel. The first of its kind religious edict stated that Hamas is a TERRORIST org which VIOLATES the tenets of Islam and that Muslims SHOULD NOT “pray for, support, finance or fight on behalf of Hamas.” 

 

The ruling enumerated 11 correlations between Hamas and ISIS, including the use of suicide bombers, missile attacks against civilians; torture or inhuman treatment by Hamas personnel; unjust imprisonment; use of child soldiers, and genocidal aspirations, in the case of Hamas annihilating the Jews.

 

Senior Muslim Clerics Issue Fatwa Against Hamas

The Islamic Fatwa Council is a judicial body that specializes in Islamic law, represents both Sunnis and Shiites, and is chaired by Grand Ayatollah Shaikh Fadhil al-Budairi. Among several key mission objectives, the council says it strives to “reclaim the Islamic legal system from extremists, Islamists, and supporters of terrorism.” The fatwa is the first against Hamas by an accredited Islamic legal body.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/03/13/senior-muslim-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-hamas/