Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Poor old Andrew, I wonder did he know his mum was in her last days when he went begging her for her money to shutdown accusations against him before he himself had to go under oath?

 

Yes I'm pretty sure he would have been aware of his Mother's deteriorating health. Also aware that a long stressful court case could add to her health problems. If he didn't know, he would have been advised of such.

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Since you introduce yourself into the discussion, I trust that’s not something you’d stoop to.

 

I meant if I was Andrew I might have been tempted. I thought that was obvious. I don't need to take anyone's money. 

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Despite our disagreements I like to think better of you than that.

 

That's sweet.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are correct.

 

’Girls’.

Got paid, then got paid again, poor little innocent things 

4 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 And does it matter? 

 

Well if she was 17 and he paid her for sex then it's illegal so it matters in a legal sense.

 

From a moral standpoint, she was clearly acting of her own free will, nobody was forcing her to do anything. She simply revised history at a later date to portray herself as a victim and get a big payout. A decent hustle which paid off nicely. Only a fool would believe she was forced into anything. Even the people arguing her case on this thread don't really believe that -  it's just a stick to beat the Royals with.  

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Got paid, then got paid again, poor little innocent things 

 

She also recruited other girls for sex.

 

A real gem, that Virginia. 

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Poor old Andrew, I wonder did he know his mum was in her last days when he went begging her for her money to shutdown accusations against him before he himself had to go under oath?

 

Since you introduce yourself into the discussion, I trust that’s not something you’d stoop to.

 

Despite our disagreements I like to think better of you than that.

 

as pointed out by another poster here. what does it matter where the money came from ? you keep banging on and on about it. 

 

how do you know he went to her begging ? maybe she approached him ? do you have proof of your wild accusations ? 

2 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

as pointed out by another poster here. what does it matter where the money came from ? you keep banging on and on about it. 

 

how do you know he went to her begging ? maybe she approached him ? do you have proof of your wild accusations ? 

We’ll to fair,  begging mummy for money is the least of the accusations against the disgraced Prince Andrew.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

We’ll to fair,  begging mummy for money is the least of the accusations against the disgraced Prince Andrew.

 

and again. predictable. assemble. 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We’ll to fair,  begging mummy for money is the least of the accusations against the disgraced Prince Andrew.

 

And just as credible as the other accusations. 

 

With the same amount of evidence to back it up. None. 

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Well if she was 17 and he paid her for sex then it's illegal so it matters in a legal sense.

 

From a moral standpoint, she was clearly acting of her own free will, nobody was forcing her to do anything. She simply revised history at a later date to portray herself as a victim and get a big payout. A decent hustle which paid off nicely. Only a fool would believe she was forced into anything. Even the people arguing her case on this thread don't really believe that -  it's just a stick to beat the Royals with.  

 

Well I mean Elvis would never do something like that right.. oh wait Pricilla was 14

The hypocrisy is astounding

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

She also recruited other girls for sex.

 

A real gem, that Virginia. 

and it only happened once, right? tricked on that sole occasion when she was still a virgin - sad, sad, sad  and then they forced the money onto her

Epstein's victims were not even below the age of consent unless you manipulate and twist the latter. They were entirely consensual. Victims? I mean these girls, whom I take it were mostly from trashy backgrounds, got to meet royalty, billionaires, world famous celebrities, and work on a dream private Caribbean island. Yet we are supposed to believe they are victims of the most horrible crime imaginable and that Epstein ruined their lives. 

1 minute ago, JackGats said:

I mean these girls, whom I take it were mostly from trashy backgrounds, got to meet royalty, billionaires, world famous celebrities, and work on a dream private Caribbean island. Yet we are supposed to believe they are victims of the most horrible crime imaginable and that Epstein ruined their lives.

 

your comment is trash. smh. 

3 minutes ago, JackGats said:

Epstein's victims were not even below the age of consent unless you manipulate and twist the latter. They were entirely consensual. Victims? I mean these girls, whom I take it were mostly from trashy backgrounds, got to meet royalty, billionaires, world famous celebrities, and work on a dream private Caribbean island. Yet we are supposed to believe they are victims of the most horrible crime imaginable and that Epstein ruined their lives. 

 

She was a minor, stop victim blaming.

9 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Well I mean Elvis would never do something like that right.. oh wait Pricilla was 14

The hypocrisy is astounding

Would point out Elvis was 'the king' while Andy is only a prince.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out Elvis was 'the king' while Andy is only a prince.

 ah you are right lol 

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

She was a minor, stop victim blaming.

 
The poor, rich and blameless victim... I'm almost in tears

Just now, BobBKK said:

 The poor, rich and blameless victim... I'm almost in tears

 

So is Prince Andrew.

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

So is Prince Andrew.

 

But seriously? I think he was utterly stupid, and I think he's an arrogant $%#@!  But there is something utterly tasteless in girls who have willingly sold sex, got paid, signed CAs - then bitterly complaining and getting paid AGAIN and still whining and selling their story. 17 might technically be a minor in some countries, but she knew exactly what she was doing, and the current woke culture that allows her to gain from it.

 

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 

But seriously? I think he was utterly stupid, and I think he's an arrogant $%#@!  But there is something utterly tasteless in girls who have willingly sold sex, got paid, signed CAs - then bitterly complaining and getting paid AGAIN and still whining and selling their story. 17 might technically be a minor in some countries, but she knew exactly what she was doing, and the current woke culture that allows her to gain from it.

 

 

The whole point of the concept of a minor in law is that they don't know what they are doing. Stop victim blaming.

 

"Interesting" that you conflate defending rape victims with being woke.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

The whole point of the concept of a minor in law is that they don't know what they are doing. Stop victim blaming.

 

"Interesting" that you conflate defending rape victims with being woke.

 

Is it a crime in every country?  You are saying she was raped and then took the money.  And a nice smiley photo?  You are confusing legal technicality with ethics. I already stated Andrew was and IS stupid but she took his money - right? 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Given the politicization of the FBI/courts that we've seen by the Democrats in the last couple of years, plus the fact that the American left are notoriously anti-British royal family I don't blame him. I'd be staying well clear of that Banana Republic and their justice legal system until the Republicans are back in power and some sanity is restored. 

 

I'd also be asking why they aren't investigating their own domestic high profile individuals like Bill Clinton and Bill Gates before they start trying to flex their imagined muscles by summoning members of the British Royal Family across the pond. 

 

If I was Andrew I'd tell them to go swivel.

 

And you have proof of politicization of the FBI and the courts, or is it just your delicate sensibilities that conclude anyone doing his/her job, albeit against your messiah, is being "political"? You certainly sniff the vapors coming out of trump's backside. It's "politicization" when the FBI investigates stolen classified documents and the guy who lied about it? When the same thief engaged in a plot to appoint fake electors to subvert an election, or browbeat a State official to "just find me 11.780 votes"

 

Perhaps Brits like you call it "politicization", but in American English we call what the bureau and the courts have done "doing their job". Not investigating/prosecuting would have been a dereliction of duty.

 

You are quick to accuse on other topics, yet have a couple dozen comments here trying to play Lancelot, coming to the defense of an anachronism.

 

Apparently your anachronism is a very poor judge of character, as most people needed only one meeting with Epstein---particularly those who went to one of his residences---to understand what sort of miscreant he was. Your boy was a regular.

Since he apparently did nothing wrong according to the consensus here why all the denials?

 

Should have just admitted everything since it is all consensual and nobodys business.  Fergie seems to think he is a nice enough guy that dont they still live in the same place 25 years after divorce? Having good relationship with exes is a sign of maturity.

What about the pizza????? i am confused.

12 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Since he apparently did nothing wrong according to the consensus here why all the denials?

 

Should have just admitted everything since it is all consensual and nobodies business.  Fergie seems to think he is a noce enough guy that dont they still live in the same place 25 years after divorce? Having good relationship with exes is a sign of maturity.

Or a sign of she is broke and needs to sponge off the his princely allowance

8 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

Or a sign of she is broke and needs to sponge off the his princely allowance

No doubt there is some kind of arrangement.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Her word was given under oath.

 

Nobody ever lies do they. Sometimes people lie under oath, hence the reason people get pardoned and released from prison for crimes they did not commit.

 

Here is a recent cracker from the UK.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/22/how-nick-the-serial-child-abuse-accuser-became-the-accused

 

Is Andrew guilty of crimes ? No idea.

 

But anyone hanging their hat on sworn testimony, or testimony given under oath of someones guilt, is lacking in the grey matter department.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

And just as credible as the other accusations. 

 

With the same amount of evidence to back it up. None. 

Again, sworn testimony before a court Jonny.

 

Don’t ever do such a thing unless you are telling the truth.

 

If the testimony was a lie, why doesn’t the disgraced Prince Andrew file a complaint of Perjury…. And libel?!

2 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 

Is it a crime in every country?  You are saying she was raped and then took the money.  And a nice smiley photo?  You are confusing legal technicality with ethics. I already stated Andrew was and IS stupid but she took his money - right? 

 

I'm saying she had no idea because she was minor and not capable of making a judgement call in this matter because of her age..

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Nobody ever lies do they. Sometimes people lie under oath, hence the reason people get pardoned and released from prison for crimes they did not commit.

 

Here is a recent cracker from the UK.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/22/how-nick-the-serial-child-abuse-accuser-became-the-accused

 

Is Andrew guilty of crimes ? No idea.

 

But anyone hanging their hat on sworn testimony, or testimony given under oath of someones guilt, is lacking in the grey matter department.

Again, Perjury is a serious crime.

 

Why doesn’t the disgraced Prince Andrew file a police complaint?!

 

 

1 hour ago, Captain Monday said:

Since he apparently did nothing wrong according to the consensus here why all the denials?

 

Should have just admitted everything since it is all consensual and nobodys business.  Fergie seems to think he is a nice enough guy that dont they still live in the same place 25 years after divorce? Having good relationship with exes is a sign of maturity.

 

Acquiesce, not consent.