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1 minute ago, bluemoon58 said:

Mike, I receive a UK Armed Forces Pension. I presume this would be classed as a UK Government Pension? Am I correct?

I'm sorry, I don't know for certain but it seems as though it should be. If you are able to confirm things, please let me know.

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3 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

I'm sorry, I don't know for certain but it seems as though it should be. If you are able to confirm things, please let me know.

Thanks Mike. Well it certainly isn't a State Pension so I think it will be!

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I'm back trying to make clear how the assessable income issue in the documentation, the following is my revised verbiages (with great thanks again to poster @Guavaman)

 

 

5. Terminology: this document uses the word “assessable” often. Assessable in the context of the Thai RD and this document means income that is liable to tax and must be included on a Thai tax return. Not all income is assessable, some is excluded from tax assessment by its very nature or because of the terms of a specific tax agreement. There is assessable income that is taxable and assessable income that is exempt from tax, but "non-assessable" income does not really exist as an entity, within the Thai Revenue Code. Consequently, readers should not think that some of your income is non-assessable. Taxable income = Assessable income minus exemptions, deductions, allowances.

 

In process and flow terms: income leads to either exemption or assessible income, which may then become taxable income. 

 

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36 minutes ago, sirineou said:

There lays the rub. Dont think I have not thought of that. 

I guess the only way would be to do a forensic accounting and determine that the amount transferred was less than the  amount deposited and a balance remained , therefore since this saving transfer is equal to or less than that balance , it is attributed to pensions and should not be taxed.

Yea Yea, I know  Good luck. :laugh:

 

Everyone should try to obtain a baseline statement for all of their financial accounts showing valuations as of 1 January 2024.

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7 hours ago, persimmon said:

I wonder what would happen in the case of someone on a TV who inadvertently stayed 181 days . Would there be any problems exiting the country , or returning in future ? I can imagine it could get very expensive if the RD demanded a tax return based on total worldwide income . A powerful reason not to stay more than 180 days .

The rules do not tax foreigners in Thailand on their worldwide income, nor are there plans to do so.

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Another additional para in the document, for the next version, just to raise awareness, just for those who think the obligation to file taxes here is something new.

 

1. It should be noted that there always was an obligation on the part of foreigners who were tax resident in Thailand, to report assessable income every year, provided they meet the minimum income threshold. This law was not actively enforced in the past and many remained unaware of their obligation. Very little has changed today, that obligation remains unchanged albeit the scope of income that must be reported has now increased and tax collection has taken on a higher profile.

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23 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Thanks Mike & Charlie, the best explanation of it all.

 

16 hours ago, traveller101 said:

The treaty between Australia and Thailand stipulates under Article 18, that Pensions and Annuities can only be taxed in the state of origin.

From an australian viewpoint, payments would comprise the government pension as well as regular payments from a persons (over their working life) accumulated superannuation funds.

 

 

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Article 19

Pensions (New Zealand agreement)

1/ pensions(including government pensions)and annuities paid to a resident of a contracting states shall be taxable only in that state.

 

2/ The term ''annuity'' means a stated sum payable periodically at stated times, during life or during a specified ascertainable period of time, under an obligation to make payments in return for adequate and full consideration in money or money's worth

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Useful Information.  Thank you

 

For anyone who is British, living in Thailand, and withdrawing there UK private pension funds  into Thailand,   what's the situation with the double tax treaty,  are we exempt ?  I heard every country has different rules regarding this. 

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2 minutes ago, bondjames007 said:

 

Useful Information.  Thank you

 

For anyone who is British, living in Thailand, and withdrawing there UK private pension funds  into Thailand,   what's the situation with the double tax treaty,  are we exempt ?  I heard every country has different rules regarding this. 

you will have to look up the agreement between the UK and Thailand, The agreement Between the Government UK and the government of Thailand For the avoidance of double taxation and the prevention of fiscal evasion with respect to taxes on income

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5 minutes ago, bondjames007 said:

 

Useful Information.  Thank you

 

For anyone who is British, living in Thailand, and withdrawing there UK private pension funds  into Thailand,   what's the situation with the double tax treaty,  are we exempt ?  I heard every country has different rules regarding this. 

Please read the document and save me some work, your answer in there, private pensions are not covered by the DTA although I haven't seen this for myself.

 

A SIMPLE GUIDE TO PERSONAL INCOME TAX IN THAILAND

9 January, 2024

Version 5, Rev C

 

1. This purpose of this guide is to provide foreigners living in Thailand with the simplest possible over view of Personal Income Tax (PIT) in Thailand. The scope of this document is limited to PIT.

 

2. You may have heard that new tax laws came into effect on 1 January this year, in fact, that is not true! The old tax rules still exist and remain valid, albeit just one minor change to them was made in November last year. Previously, anyone who earned money overseas and remitted it to Thailand in a different tax year, received that money free of Thai tax. That loop hole in the Revenue Department (RD) tax code has been exploited by wealthy Thai’s and is now closed, hence, any money earned overseas and remitted to Thailand in any year, is now potentially liable to Thai tax. The purpose of the new rule is to reduce tax avoidance. Unfortunately, it now means that overseas funds transfers by foreigners living in Thailand, also have an increased risk of being taxed.

 

3. This guide is an overview of the core parts of the PIT system. It is not designed to be exhaustive and it doesn’t cover all aspects of PIT, nor is it intended to  override anything produced by the Thai Revenue Department or specialist tax companies such as Sherrings or Mazzars. This guide also does not address all types of income or the rules relevant to people from every country. What this guide will provide is a starting point for readers to manage their own tax affairs and it will also provide most of the answers for those with simple tax affairs, especially the average pensioner.

 

4. There are also certain types of visa that fall outside of the RD tax code. The LTR visa for example received its tax exempt status by royal decree hence visa holders will not to be assessed for Thai tax and they are specifically excluded from this explanation.

 

5. Terminology: this document uses the word “assessable” often. Assessable in the context of this document means income that is liable to tax which must be included on a Thai tax return. Not all income is assessable, some is excluded from tax assessment by its very nature or because of the terms of a specific tax agreement. There is assessable income that is taxable and assessable income that is exempt from tax, but "non-assessable" income does not really exist as an entity within the Thai Revenue Code. Consequently, readers should not think that some of your income is non-assessable. Taxable income = Assessable income minus exemptions, deductions, allowances.

 

6. Dual Tax Agreement/Double Tax Agreement (DTA): is an agreement between two countries that sets out which of the two countries has the right to tax specific types of income and all the associated rules. It’s purpose, in part, is to ensure that the same funds are not taxed twice and provides a means by which tax that is paid twice, can be recovered, how and from where. Note: If the taxpayer income is sourced in one country but the tax  payer is resident in a second country, use of a DTA can result in increased tax being paid, if the second country has a higher rate of tax on the type of income in question, than the other.

 

7. This document is being drafted in January 2024. Tax returns are due between now and 31 March 2024 which cover the period, 1 January 2023 and 31 December 2023. The tax changes affecting foreigners in Thailand came into effect 1 January 2024 which means this years income activity is not reportable until 181 days from the start of the year, for year round residents it will be due 1 January next year, 2025.

 

8. If you stay in Thailand for more than a cumulative 179 days, between 1 January and 31 December each year, you will be and always were considered to be Tax Resident in Thailand during that year, regardless of the type of visa you have. It doesn’t matter that you may be Tax Resident in your home country or elsewhere or that you pay tax in those countries, Thailand will still regard you as Tax Resident. Tax Residency and Immigration status (and the visa you hold) are different things. Tax residency is based solely on the number of days you spend in Thailand and where you are at midnight on each day.

 

9. It should be noted that there always was an obligation on the part of foreigners who were tax resident in Thailand, to report assessable income every year, provided they meet the minimum income threshold. This law was not actively enforced in the past and many remained unaware of their obligation. Very little has changed today, that obligation remains unchanged albeit the scope of income that must be reported has now increased and tax collection has taken on a higher profile.

 

10. Because you are Tax Resident, YOU must review your income each year to determine if it is regarded as assessable to tax in Thailand, nobody else will do this for you. If your income does not exceed 120,000 baht per year, you do not need to file a tax return (60,000 baht if your only income is bank interest paid to you by a bank in Thailand). If your income is over 120,000 baht per year, you must file a Thai tax return between 1 January and 31 March.

 

11. Your income in Thailand is defined as any money paid to you inside Thailand, as well as, any money you receive from overseas, both types are potentially assessable income for Tax Residents. There are many types of income that can be classed as assessable, the Thai RD lists some of them and is linked below, however, the list is not exhaustive:

https://sherrings.com/personal-income-tax-in-thailand.html#:~:text=Section%2040%20of%20Thailand's%20Revenue,Pensions%3B%20and

 

12. There are also classes or types of income that the RD regards as exempt from assessment and these are also linked below:

THIS IS A PLACE HOLDER FOR THE CORRECT LINK

 

13. Income that is derived from  within Thailand is fairly clear, if you work and have a job and you are a Tax Resident, your income is assessable for tax.  Interest that is paid to you on Thai bank accounts is regarded as income, as is income from investments such as stocks and bonds within Thailand.  You should note that if you are generating income by working while staying in Thailand, it is (and has always been) irrelevant where that money is paid and whether you bring the money into the country or keep it offshore. That money arises in Thailand hence it is taxable here.

 

14. It is not possible to give the same blanket rule to everyone to determine whether income is assessable or not because of the variable factors involved. Overseas income has to pass several tests to determine if it is assessable to Thai tax or not. It is still early days and all the rules are not yet clear. It has been said that tax residents who import funds from countries that have a DTA with Thailand, will not be effected. Exactly how that will work leaves many questions unanswered hence this document attempts to look at only the most popular types of income based on what is known at present. This document does not speculate as to what may happen in the future, other than in the segment at the end concerning likely future Immigration rules.

 

15. First and foremost, only income that is remitted to Thailand is assessable in Thailand, funds that remain outside Thailand are not. If we take the simplest type of income and say that you transfer personal savings from overseas to Thailand and those savings  were earned before 1 January 2024, those funds are not assessable. But savings earned after that date are, hence the date when the income is earned is extremely important. A word of caution, you may be asked to provide proof that savings were earned before 1 January 2024.  

 

16. Another common type of income is pensions, which can be complicated, depending on the type of pension and the country that it comes from. The country of origin is important because there are over 60 different types of Dual Tax Agreements, sometimes called Double Taxation Agreements (DTA’s), between Thailand and those 60+ countries and each one is different. As a general rule, most private or company pensions from most countries appear to be assessable here but YOU will need to confirm that yours is or is not. If that is true, private and company pension income IS assessable income in Thailand.

 

17. US Social Security payments, a form of pension paid to some older people, can only be taxed by the US under DTA rules and Thailand is forbidden from taxing them, this means those payments are NOT assessable income. UK State pension on the other hand is not covered by a DTA so it is assessable income in Thailand whilst UK Government or Civil Service and NHS pensions are not! Australian old age pension is assessible income in Thailand.

 

18. The proceeds from the sale of a capital item such as overseas property, where funds are remitted to Thailand, is one popular source of funds, the sale of some investment products such as stocks, shares and bonds is another. Those proceeds typically comprise two parts, capital and profit. If the capital was acquired before 1 January 2024, it is free of Thai tax. One way to separate capital and profit may be to have an official valuation or statement that is dated 1 January 2024 since anything earned before that date, is not assessable. Also, if the profit has been the subject of a Capital Gains return in the home country, that also may be free of Thai tax but this cannot be guaranteed at this time, until things are made more clear and are once again subject to the terms of any DTA. YOU will need to review the DTA between Thailand and your home  country to fully understand what particular clauses affect you.

 

19. It appears as though most property rental income that is remitted to Thailand is considered to be assessable income and is taxable here, unless of course it has been taxed in the home country and/or the DTA prohibits its taxation (which seems unlikely).

 

20. YOU are responsible for determining if your assessable income in Thailand exceeds the threshold and means you must file a tax return. That assessable income might comprise, pension payments, investment income, rental income or any of the other types of income listed in the link above. If you have assessable income of over 120,000 baht per year, you must file a tax return (60,000 baht if your sole source of assessable income is bank interest paid in Thailand).

 

21. Before you can file a tax return in Thailand, you need to acquire a Tax Identification Number or TIN from the RD offices in your area. You will need your passport, a valid and current visa or extension and in many areas, a Certificate of Residency from the Immigration Department.

 

22. Completing a tax return is a simple affair for most people, if you have difficulty, the Revenue Department staff are extremely helpful. Tax returns must be filed between 1 January and 30 March each year, if you file later than that, penalties will apply.

 

23. Thai tax is layered in bands and is payable based on the amount of assessable income that  falls within each band and are shown and linked below:

 

Taxable Income per year(Baht) Tax rate

0 – 150,000 Exempt

150,000 – 300,000 5%

300,000 – 500,000 10%

500,000 – 750,000 15%

750,000 – 1,000,000 20%

1,000,000 – 2,000,000 25%

2,000,000 – 4,000,000 30%

Over 4,000,000 35%

https://www.mazars.co.th/Home/Insights/Doing-Business-in-Thailand/Payroll/Personal-Income-Tax

 

24. The Thai tax system contains a series of Allowances, Deductions and Exemptions that will help you reduce your tax bill and they are very generous. It is easily possible for the average expat foreign retiree to reduce their taxable income by 500,000 baht or more each year. For example, a retiree aged 65 years of age, married and living here full  time, supporting a Thai wife who has no income and doesn’t file tax return, is allowed the following:

 

a. Personal Allowance for self - 60,000

b. Personal Allowance for wife - 60,000

c. Over age 65 years exemption - 190,000

d. 50% of pension income received, up to 100k - 100,000

e. In addition, the first 150,000 of assessable income is zero rated and free of tax

 

25. Additional deductions and allowances exist for health or life insurance premiums paid in Thailand. A complete list of deductions, allowances and exemptions can be found here

https://www.rd.go.th/english/6045.html  or from Sherrings below.

https://sherrings.com/personal-tax-deductions-allowances-thailand.html

 

26. The Thai Revenue  tax filing system is online but is only available in Thai language at present. The tax forms are however available in English and they can be downloaded from the link below. CAUTION, the forms are updated every year and the 2023/24 forms for full year PIT are NOT yet available:

https://www.rd.go.th/english/63902.html

 

27. A simple sample completed tax form for a person aged over 65 years is shown below as a guide.

28. https://aseannow.com/topic/1312534-taxation-of-ex-pats-pensions-etc/?do=findComment&comment=18532562

 

29. Tax filing in Thailand is based on the honour system, it relies on you declaring all the right information every year and there are severe penalties for evading Thai tax. It would be foolish and a gross under estimation of RD capabilities to think  that doing nothing and keeping a low profile means you should ignore Thai taxation. Very few sane people in the US and UK ignore the tax authorities who tend to have a long reach. It cannot be ruled out that at some point, a link may be established between tax filings and visa extensions. A law already exists that requires foreigners to apply for Tax Clearance Certificates before being allowed to depart the country but it is not being enforced currently. These things are possible because similar things have been adopted in several countries in the past, including the US.

 

30. The RD tax return requires taxpayers to report assessable income, the tax rules even list some types of income that are not assessable to help in this. In addition, some types of income, from some locations, for some nationalities, are also known to be not assessable.

 

31. If a taxpayer is certain that some of their income is not assessable, they may not want to declare it on their Thai tax return.  Alternatively they may wish to ask the RD or employ specialist tax advisor's. It should go without saying that some taxpayers may try to suggest that some of their income is not assessable when really they don’t know for sure, or, they know that it is and say it that it isn’t, a sort of, chancing your arm and hoping you wont get found out. In that situation, the RD will not look favourably on such people and penalties are likely.

 

32. There are several sources of detailed tax information and these web sites are linked below:

https://www.rd.go.th/english/6045.html

https://sherrings.com/personal-income-tax-in-thailand.html

https://www.mazars.co.th/Home/Insights/Doing-Business-in-Thailand/Payroll/Personal-Income-Tax

 

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Somebody hinted earlier at the impact of several thousand farangs trying to get their taxes filed at the RD office. The tax filing system is online and for several years, tax filers have been transitioned from paper to online. The system was only available in Thai, the last time I looked last year, I suspect it wont be long before an English language version is available. 

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15 hours ago, 10baht said:

150k BAHT not euros or US$. That's 150000/35 = $4286 = next to nothing in the land of the Big PX.

150k Bht may be next to nothing to you, but to some of us it certainly is.

Where is The Big PX please?

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2 hours ago, bluemoon58 said:

Mike, I receive a UK Armed Forces Pension. I presume this would be classed as a UK Government Pension? Am I correct?

I receive a pension (taxed at source) for my 31 years working for the civil service, but get no pension for my 11 years army time. Therefore my army service is not classed as government service, pension-wise.

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Yet another new para for the next release of the document, designed to raise awareness and cut down on some of the questions.

 

1. The way in which the income is received in Thailand does not change its definition. Bank transfers, cheques, cash, overseas ATM and credit card transactions can also be income, the last two because overseas funds were imported to pay for goods or services in Thailand.

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I guess it would be a good idea to keep a record of your financial position as of 31 Dec 2023 or is it 1 Jan 2024?

 

Copies of statements showing balances, to show money is held as savings.

 

What about overseas property, if capital gain in Thailand is only calculated from 1/1/24. If the property overseas is owned prior to this date then later sold, only the gain after 1/1/24 is taxed if brought into Thailand. So would a valuation of the property as at 1/1/24 be needed?

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2 hours ago, bluemoon58 said:

Mike, I receive a UK Armed Forces Pension. I presume this would be classed as a UK Government Pension? Am I correct?

If I'm reading correctly:
The armed forces are a service of the Gov. hence Article 19, 2a applies of the DTA.

 


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19 hours ago, TigerandDog said:

aussie pensions are the same to an extent Non taxable in Oz but looks like they will be taxed here, even with a Thai/Aussie Tax Treaty in place. The treaty, and this is where the wording gets confusing, says the tax is payable in the state (viz country) where the pension is received, not where it is paid. I'm awaiting advice from an aussie tax agent that specialises in the aussie tax treaties to get back to me.

Let us know the advice of the tax agent. My reading of S.18 of the treaty says the pension can only be taxed in the State that provides it.

 

Article 18

Pensions and annuities

1. Subject to the provisions of Article 19, pensions and annuities paid to a resident of one of the Contracting States shall be taxable only in that State.

2. The term "annuity" means a stated sum payable periodically at stated times during life or during a specified or ascertainable period of time under an obligation to make the payments in return for adequate and full consideration in money or money's worth.

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12 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

Probably through the media or sites like this, I don't think there is a formal notification system.

Again, this assuming that that all expats use modern devices. This isn't the case. It might well be discussed on Financial Sections in the Thai media, but how many expats will watch/read that? IMHO it is easy enough for the Thai government to set up the a system for expats (who haven't previously had a tax ID) and get the address/details from immigration the alert the expat accordingly. When I read an extract from Siam Legal one paragraph said this quote.

'As of 1 January B.E. 2567 (2024), the Revenue Department has enforced its department instruction P. 161/2566 to tax any Thai citizen or a foreigner with Thai residency, who receives an income within Thailand. Sources of income earned outside of Thailand are excluded from taxation, however.'

This almost reads like it is strictly an internal affair and that it is the departments responsibility to do the necessary. I appreciate your written guide very much but as you can see but it doesn't answer the question of what procedure the Revenue department is going to use to inform ALL foreigners about the change and the liabilities thereof.

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2 minutes ago, parallelman said:

Again, this assuming that that all expats use modern devices. This isn't the case. It might well be discussed on Financial Sections in the Thai media, but how many expats will watch/read that? IMHO it is easy enough for the Thai government to set up the a system for expats (who haven't previously had a tax ID) and get the address/details from immigration the alert the expat accordingly. When I read an extract from Siam Legal one paragraph said this quote.

'As of 1 January B.E. 2567 (2024), the Revenue Department has enforced its department instruction P. 161/2566 to tax any Thai citizen or a foreigner with Thai residency, who receives an income within Thailand. Sources of income earned outside of Thailand are excluded from taxation, however.'

This almost reads like it is strictly an internal affair and that it is the departments responsibility to do the necessary. I appreciate your written guide very much but as you can see but it doesn't answer the question of what procedure the Revenue department is going to use to inform ALL foreigners about the change and the liabilities thereof.

This is not the USA, this is Thailand, things here are done very very differently.

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17 minutes ago, digital said:

I guess it would be a good idea to keep a record of your financial position as of 31 Dec 2023 or is it 1 Jan 2024?

 

Copies of statements showing balances, to show money is held as savings.

 

What about overseas property, if capital gain in Thailand is only calculated from 1/1/24. If the property overseas is owned prior to this date then later sold, only the gain after 1/1/24 is taxed if brought into Thailand. So would a valuation of the property as at 1/1/24 be needed?

All is revealed here, all you have to do is read!

 

A SIMPLE GUIDE TO PERSONAL INCOME TAX IN THAILAND

9 January, 2024

Version 5, Rev C

 

1. This purpose of this guide is to provide foreigners living in Thailand with the simplest possible over view of Personal Income Tax (PIT) in Thailand. The scope of this document is limited to PIT.

 

2. You may have heard that new tax laws came into effect on 1 January this year, in fact, that is not true! The old tax rules still exist and remain valid, albeit just one minor change to them was made in November last year. Previously, anyone who earned money overseas and remitted it to Thailand in a different tax year, received that money free of Thai tax. That loop hole in the Revenue Department (RD) tax code has been exploited by wealthy Thai’s and is now closed, hence, any money earned overseas and remitted to Thailand in any year, is now potentially liable to Thai tax. The purpose of the new rule is to reduce tax avoidance. Unfortunately, it now means that overseas funds transfers by foreigners living in Thailand, also have an increased risk of being taxed.

 

3. This guide is an overview of the core parts of the PIT system. It is not designed to be exhaustive and it doesn’t cover all aspects of PIT, nor is it intended to  override anything produced by the Thai Revenue Department or specialist tax companies such as Sherrings or Mazzars. This guide also does not address all types of income or the rules relevant to people from every country. What this guide will provide is a starting point for readers to manage their own tax affairs and it will also provide most of the answers for those with simple tax affairs, especially the average pensioner.

 

4. There are also certain types of visa that fall outside of the RD tax code. The LTR visa for example received its tax exempt status by royal decree hence visa holders will not to be assessed for Thai tax and they are specifically excluded from this explanation.

 

5. Terminology: this document uses the word “assessable” often. Assessable in the context of this document means income that is liable to tax which must be included on a Thai tax return. Not all income is assessable, some is excluded from tax assessment by its very nature or because of the terms of a specific tax agreement. There is assessable income that is taxable and assessable income that is exempt from tax, but "non-assessable" income does not really exist as an entity within the Thai Revenue Code. Consequently, readers should not think that some of your income is non-assessable. Taxable income = Assessable income minus exemptions, deductions, allowances.

 

6. Dual Tax Agreement/Double Tax Agreement (DTA): is an agreement between two countries that sets out which of the two countries has the right to tax specific types of income and all the associated rules. It’s purpose, in part, is to ensure that the same funds are not taxed twice and provides a means by which tax that is paid twice, can be recovered, how and from where. Note: If the taxpayer income is sourced in one country but the tax  payer is resident in a second country, use of a DTA can result in increased tax being paid, if the second country has a higher rate of tax on the type of income in question, than the other.

 

7. This document is being drafted in January 2024. Tax returns are due between now and 31 March 2024 which cover the period, 1 January 2023 and 31 December 2023. The tax changes affecting foreigners in Thailand came into effect 1 January 2024 which means this years income activity is not reportable until 181 days from the start of the year, for year round residents it will be due 1 January next year, 2025.

 

8. If you stay in Thailand for more than a cumulative 179 days, between 1 January and 31 December each year, you will be and always were considered to be Tax Resident in Thailand during that year, regardless of the type of visa you have. It doesn’t matter that you may be Tax Resident in your home country or elsewhere or that you pay tax in those countries, Thailand will still regard you as Tax Resident. Tax Residency and Immigration status (and the visa you hold) are different things. Tax residency is based solely on the number of days you spend in Thailand and where you are at midnight on each day.

 

9. It should be noted that there always was an obligation on the part of foreigners who were tax resident in Thailand, to report assessable income every year, provided they meet the minimum income threshold. This law was not actively enforced in the past and many remained unaware of their obligation. Very little has changed today, that obligation remains unchanged albeit the scope of income that must be reported has now increased and tax collection has taken on a higher profile.

 

10. Because you are Tax Resident, YOU must review your income each year to determine if it is regarded as assessable to tax in Thailand, nobody else will do this for you. If your income does not exceed 120,000 baht per year, you do not need to file a tax return (60,000 baht if your only income is bank interest paid to you by a bank in Thailand). If your income is over 120,000 baht per year, you must file a Thai tax return between 1 January and 31 March.

 

11. Your income in Thailand is defined as any money paid to you inside Thailand, as well as, any money you receive from overseas, both types are potentially assessable income for Tax Residents. There are many types of income that can be classed as assessable, the Thai RD lists some of them and is linked below, however, the list is not exhaustive:

https://sherrings.com/personal-income-tax-in-thailand.html#:~:text=Section%2040%20of%20Thailand's%20Revenue,Pensions%3B%20and

 

12. There are also classes or types of income that the RD regards as exempt from assessment and these are also linked below:

THIS IS A PLACE HOLDER FOR THE CORRECT LINK

 

13. Income that is derived from  within Thailand is fairly clear, if you work and have a job and you are a Tax Resident, your income is assessable for tax.  Interest that is paid to you on Thai bank accounts is regarded as income, as is income from investments such as stocks and bonds within Thailand.  You should note that if you are generating income by working while staying in Thailand, it is (and has always been) irrelevant where that money is paid and whether you bring the money into the country or keep it offshore. That money arises in Thailand hence it is taxable here.

 

14. It is not possible to give the same blanket rule to everyone to determine whether income is assessable or not because of the variable factors involved. Overseas income has to pass several tests to determine if it is assessable to Thai tax or not. It is still early days and all the rules are not yet clear. It has been said that tax residents who import funds from countries that have a DTA with Thailand, will not be effected. Exactly how that will work leaves many questions unanswered hence this document attempts to look at only the most popular types of income based on what is known at present. This document does not speculate as to what may happen in the future, other than in the segment at the end concerning likely future Immigration rules.

 

15. First and foremost, only income that is remitted to Thailand is assessable in Thailand, funds that remain outside Thailand are not. If we take the simplest type of income and say that you transfer personal savings from overseas to Thailand and those savings  were earned before 1 January 2024, those funds are not assessable. But savings earned after that date are, hence the date when the income is earned is extremely important. A word of caution, you may be asked to provide proof that savings were earned before 1 January 2024.  

 

16. The way in which the income is received in Thailand does not change its definition. Bank transfers, cheques, cash, overseas ATM and credit card transactions can also be income, the last two because overseas funds were imported to pay for goods or services in Thailand.

 

 

17. Another common type of income is pensions, which can be complicated, depending on the type of pension and the country that it comes from. The country of origin is important because there are over 60 different types of Dual Tax Agreements, sometimes called Double Taxation Agreements (DTA’s), between Thailand and those 60+ countries and each one is different. As a general rule, most private or company pensions from most countries appear to be assessable here but YOU will need to confirm that yours is or is not. If that is true, private and company pension income IS assessable income in Thailand.

 

18. US Social Security payments, a form of pension paid to some older people, can only be taxed by the US under DTA rules and Thailand is forbidden from taxing them, this means those payments are NOT assessable income. UK State pension on the other hand is not covered by a DTA so it is assessable income in Thailand whilst UK Government or Civil Service and NHS pensions are not! Australian old age pension is assessible income in Thailand.

 

19. The proceeds from the sale of a capital item such as overseas property, where funds are remitted to Thailand, is one popular source of funds, the sale of some investment products such as stocks, shares and bonds is another. Those proceeds typically comprise two parts, capital and profit. If the capital was acquired before 1 January 2024, it is free of Thai tax. One way to separate capital and profit may be to have an official valuation or statement that is dated 1 January 2024 since anything earned before that date, is not assessable. Also, if the profit has been the subject of a Capital Gains return in the home country, that also may be free of Thai tax but this cannot be guaranteed at this time, until things are made more clear and are once again subject to the terms of any DTA. YOU will need to review the DTA between Thailand and your home  country to fully understand what particular clauses affect you.

 

20. It appears as though most property rental income that is remitted to Thailand is considered to be assessable income and is taxable here, unless of course it has been taxed in the home country and/or the DTA prohibits its taxation (which seems unlikely).

 

21. YOU are responsible for determining if your assessable income in Thailand exceeds the threshold and means you must file a tax return. That assessable income might comprise, pension payments, investment income, rental income or any of the other types of income listed in the link above. If you have assessable income of over 120,000 baht per year, you must file a tax return (60,000 baht if your sole source of assessable income is bank interest paid in Thailand).

 

22. Before you can file a tax return in Thailand, you need to acquire a Tax Identification Number or TIN from the RD offices in your area. You will need your passport, a valid and current visa or extension and in many areas, a Certificate of Residency from the Immigration Department.

 

23. Completing a tax return is a simple affair for most people, if you have difficulty, the Revenue Department staff are extremely helpful. Tax returns must be filed between 1 January and 30 March each year, if you file later than that, penalties will apply.

 

24. Thai tax is layered in bands and is payable based on the amount of assessable income that  falls within each band and are shown and linked below:

 

Taxable Income per year(Baht) Tax rate

0 – 150,000 Exempt

150,000 – 300,000 5%

300,000 – 500,000 10%

500,000 – 750,000 15%

750,000 – 1,000,000 20%

1,000,000 – 2,000,000 25%

2,000,000 – 4,000,000 30%

Over 4,000,000 35%

https://www.mazars.co.th/Home/Insights/Doing-Business-in-Thailand/Payroll/Personal-Income-Tax

 

25. The Thai tax system contains a series of Allowances, Deductions and Exemptions that will help you reduce your tax bill and they are very generous. It is easily possible for the average expat foreign retiree to reduce their taxable income by 500,000 baht or more each year. For example, a retiree aged 65 years of age, married and living here full  time, supporting a Thai wife who has no income and doesn’t file tax return, is allowed the following:

 

a. Personal Allowance for self - 60,000

b. Personal Allowance for wife - 60,000

c. Over age 65 years exemption - 190,000

d. 50% of pension income received, up to 100k - 100,000

e. In addition, the first 150,000 of assessable income is zero rated and free of tax

 

26. Additional deductions and allowances exist for health or life insurance premiums paid in Thailand. A complete list of deductions, allowances and exemptions can be found here

https://www.rd.go.th/english/6045.html  or from Sherrings below.

https://sherrings.com/personal-tax-deductions-allowances-thailand.html

 

27. The Thai Revenue  tax filing system is on-line but only available in Thai language at present. The tax forms are however available in English and they can be downloaded from the link below.

https://www.rd.go.th/english/63902.html

 

28. A simple sample completed tax form for a person aged over 65 years is shown below as a guide.

29. https://aseannow.com/topic/1312534-taxation-of-ex-pats-pensions-etc/?do=findComment&comment=18532562

 

30. Tax filing in Thailand is based on the honour system, it relies on you declaring all the right information every year and there are severe penalties for evading Thai tax. It would be foolish and a gross under estimation of RD capabilities to think  that doing nothing and keeping a low profile means you should ignore Thai taxation. Very few sane people in the US and UK ignore the tax authorities who tend to have a long reach. It cannot be ruled out that at some point, a link may be established between tax filings and visa extensions. A law already exists that requires foreigners to apply for Tax Clearance Certificates before being allowed to depart the country but it is not being enforced currently. These things are possible because similar things have been adopted in several countries in the past, including the US.

 

31. The RD tax return requires taxpayers to report assessable income, the tax rules even list some types of income that are not assessable to help in this. In addition, some types of income, from some locations, for some nationalities, are also known to be not assessable.

 

32. If a taxpayer is certain that some of their income is not assessable, they may not want to declare it on their Thai tax return.  Alternatively they may wish to ask the RD or employ specialist tax advisor's. It should go without saying that some taxpayers may try to suggest that some of their income is not assessable when really they don’t know for sure, or, they know that it is and say it that it isn’t, a sort of, chancing your arm and hoping you wont get found out. In that situation, the RD will not look favourably on such people and penalties are likely.

 

33. There are several sources of detailed tax information and these web sites are linked below:

https://www.rd.go.th/english/6045.html

https://sherrings.com/personal-income-tax-in-thailand.html

https://www.mazars.co.th/Home/Insights/Doing-Business-in-Thailand/Payroll/Personal-Income-Tax

 

*** END ***

 

Posted
15 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

This is not the USA, this is Thailand, things here are done very very differently.

Er 'USA"? why did you say that? I don't know how the USA revenue department works. I am well aware about Thailand and its procedures having lived here for more than a quarter of a century. I know what I will do regarding the current topic but I am one person and others will act according to their own judgement. I am just highlighting/discussing important issues.

Posted
1 minute ago, parallelman said:

Er 'USA"? why did you say that? I don't know how the USA revenue department works. I am well aware about Thailand and its procedures having lived here for more than a quarter of a century. I know what I will do regarding the current topic but I am one person and others will act according to their own judgement. I am just highlighting/discussing important issues.

Great, if you've lived here that long you will easily understand that Thailand doesn't operate those notification systems, especially not for foreigners.

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Posted
9 hours ago, Guavaman said:

I have never received any direct communication from the tax authority in my native country informing me that I was subject to tax laws, or any other laws. 

 

As they say, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

I don't know where you come from but in my country I was given end of year income documents from all my sources of income with very specific tax liability information on them.  If ignorance of a law is no defense why does Thailand make foreigners sign a document advising them that is illegal to work in Thailand.  Can't have it both ways genius.

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6 minutes ago, LikeItHot said:

I don't know where you come from but in my country I was given end of year income documents from all my sources of income with very specific tax liability information on them.  If ignorance of a law is no defense why does Thailand make foreigners sign a document advising them that is illegal to work in Thailand.  Can't have it both ways genius.

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9 hours ago, Guavaman said:

It appears that you have accessed this (outdated) regarding information about Personal Income Tax (PIT) here:

https://www.rd.go.th/english/6045.html

 

All of the amounts in all of the tables are OUTDATED.

 

The first & most important point to learn about the Thai tax system is this:

 

NEVER trust any information in an unofficial translation on the Revenue Department website.

 

For example, the webpage referenced = Last updated: 23.11.2020

 

A seeker will find other outdated references and amounts stated on the RD webpages.

 

This is Thailand: What you see is only the tip of an enormous iceberg.

 

Suggestion: Find 3 "reliable sources" (not including the Revenue Department) that all match, then you might be getting close to what the experts in Bangkok agree upon. Regarding what Somchai in the local district Revenue Office understands --- Welcome to Wonderland!

I  "accessed" the tax liability limits from the link in the OP from someone representing themselves as an expert on this topic who countless other members are now using as their source of reliable information.  If the links are inaccurate or outdated in less then 24 hours after posting then this signals that it would be literally impossible to keep up to date with credible information and anything else in the original post can be considered to be dubious at best.

Posted
6 minutes ago, LikeItHot said:

I don't know where you come from but in my country I was given end of year income documents from all my sources of income with very specific tax liability information on them.  If ignorance of a law is no defense why does Thailand make foreigners sign a document advising them that is illegal to work in Thailand.  Can't have it both ways genius.

Revenue and Immigration are very different departments that behave in different ways.

 

And, what happens in your/mine home home country has no bearing on what happens here.

 

 

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