Pink Id card for foreigners

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Your bank obviously are not the normal and don't understand the law. 

I find it bizarre if the bank gave you a letter to immigration without asking for your passport. 

Pink ID does not show you are legally in the country, ie you have a valid visa. 

 

They [the Bank] didn't give me a letter 'to' immigration - the bank gave me a printed Bank Statement with my name and address on it. 

 

You are trying to pick holes in anything you can to justify your opinion that a Pink ID (and Yellow Book) is not useful - We've done this dance before and you cherry pick inaccurate holes and obfuscate the discussion with irrelevant points.

 

I agree with you - the Pink ID does not show that we are legally in the country or have a valid visa, but thats not the discussion - the bank doesn't check our immigration status - so I'm not sure why you think that point is even relevant in the context of this discussion.

 

Our discussion was the use of a Pink ID to obtain a Bank statement, the only point of the Bank Statement is to proof of funds, Immigration are not even bothered about the Statement, what they really want to see is the updated Bank Book (usually updated to that day)... but that again, is an irrelevant point to the usefulness of the Pink ID.

 

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

2 of my banks asked me for my passport after showing them my blue Thai ID card.

Further obfuscation, either that or you are being deliberately obtuse... IF your Bank are asking for your passport, its because you opened your account with your Passport before you obtained Thai nationality. 

IF you had opened your Thai Bank accounts with your Thai National ID, then you would not be asked for your Passport. 

 

 

 

 

 

[petedk]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I never had such a card or the YHB when I registered with SSO. 

I used my tax ID no. 

 

Yes, when registering with SSO a tax ID is sufficient, but when switching from section 33 to 39 they require proof of permanent residence. Yellow house book or pink ID card.

[BigStar]

33 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Yep, waste of time, just to save a few baht, how low on cash must you be?

 

Why not give up this constant time-wasting sniping? I thought you have plenty to do buzzing around Pattaya on your scooter, but here you are again. If it's so life-threatening, why not just man up and get one yourself?

[flexomike]

56 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Yep, waste of time, just to save a few baht, how low on cash must you be?

100 km round trip to immigration to get a certificate of residence for drivers license, used my yellow book, saved 100 kms, same for opening a new bank account, used my yellow book done, how bored are you that you keep making negative comments on that obviously you really don't know anything about. For your information I am not low on cash.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

 

Why not give up this constant time-wasting sniping? I thought you have plenty to do buzzing around Pattaya on your scooter, but here you are again. If it's so life-threatening, why not just man up and get one yourself?

I'm not interested anymore just to save a few baht, but for you those few baht saved can be spent on your fat and meat diet

[scubascuba3]

46 minutes ago, flexomike said:

100 km round trip to immigration to get a certificate of residence for drivers license, used my yellow book, saved 100 kms, same for opening a new bank account, used my yellow book done, how bored are you that you keep making negative comments on that obviously you really don't know anything about. For your information I am not low on cash.

for many of us it's unnecessary, just accept that

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

5 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

My bank account is linked to my Pink ID card.

You still have to show your passport to do transactions. 

 

No you don't....  I have accounts with SCB, Bangkok Bank and Kasikorn. 

The Pink ID and Yellow House book were used (registered) upon opening the account (passport too). 

 

I have been able to make transactions in all three of those account (i.e. withdrawing money, obtaining statement letters) by presenting my Pink ID along with the Bank Book.

 

Why the penchant for some members to portray their unique bureacratic experiences as somehow empirical and suggest that another member's view based on their individual experience isn't true?

 

I have a pink ID card issued in Udon Thani. It's the older one that does have the wording on the back that says it's only valid for ID in the province where it was issued.

 

When I was asked for proof of ID for a counter transaction at the branch of Bangkok Bank in Pattaya where my account was opened several years earlier, and before I obtained the Isaan pink ID card, it was declined. They insisted on either my passport or, if I had a valid one, my Thai driving license.

 

Now, to inform those who may think that having their pink ID card number on the Thai DL is a good idea and more convenient. One person I know who did this at the DLT in Udon Thani several years ago has the additional annotation in Thai on the back of his Thai DL stating the DL is only valid in Udon Thani province, same as stated on the back of his pink ID card. Another chap who was issued a pink ID card very recently, went for his Thai DL renewal using his pink ID card and his Thai DL does not have the provincial limitation as the other guys.

 

I sincerely hope this helps.

[khunPer]

On 1/22/2024 at 4:25 AM, Enquiry123 said:

Have people applied ? Is it a hassle ?Do I need to have a Thai friend to certify the application ?

It's depending of where you live. Some has reported here – in ASEAN NOW forums – that it's an easy process, for others it has been complicated. In my own case it was almost like applying for permanent residency; apart from not been paying income tax from work in Thailand; I was allowed a translator (my lovely girlfriend) for the interview; and I should not sing the national hymn (the tessa ban-staff shall be happy that I did not sing).

[WDSmart]

I've had one for seven years now. Mine was easy to get. All I needed at the time (I think) was my passport and my Yellow Book (showing my residency). 

[Surasak]

5 hours ago, novacova said:

Yeah that’s right and the experience of 99.9% of the expats here. The poster made a comment about needing a pink id for collecting SSI on an expat forum without stating that it is for Thai SSI. Whether from the US Europe or Antarctica, whatever it is you’re trying to convey is irrelevant. 

It appears anger management is required?

[newnative]

On 1/22/2024 at 12:27 PM, Hokeus said:

You can use it in many situations in Thailand in lieu of your passport where you might be required to show a photo ID. But if you don't have one, and you also don't want to carry your passport at all times, then in some instances a photo of your passport presented on your phone screen will suffice. 

   I agree.  I use mine a  lot more than I thought I would.  My Thai partner insisted I get one and he did all the work.  I initially thought it wasn't worth the trouble but I've since changed my mind.  It's come in handy quite a lot, especially when I've needed to show identification and didn't have my passport along.   Sometimes I've gotten a discount getting into places using it and have also used it instead of a passport checking into hotels.  One time I was able to get onto one of the Sattahip military bases when we were doing a boat trip--I think I would have been turned away in that instance with just a passport.

[richard_smith237]

54 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'm not interested anymore just to save a few baht, but for you those few baht saved can be spent on your fat and meat diet

 

There are numerous examples on this forum and others of how and where having the Yellow House Book and Pink ID has saved not only money, but time and hassle...  Its it the time and hassle saving that is more important to many of us.

 

I know that the next license renewal, or next vehicle I purchase etc there is one less annoying bit if bureaucracy I have to go through because I banked that already by putting in a little leg work a few years ago... (thats just one example - numerous others have been mentioned through out the thread).

 

52 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

for many of us it's unnecessary, just accept that

 

In reality the Yellow House Book and Pink ID is only 'necessary' for very few people... BUT... it has proven convenient for many...   

 

Thats the point you seem to be struggling with when presenting you arguments that its unnecessary.

 

I mentioned similar on the very first page of this thread - people who don't have a car will argue that its unnecessary, and I agree... but having a car adds a layer of convenience for a lot of people, the same with these documents....

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Why the penchant for some members to portray their unique bureacratic experiences as somehow empirical and suggest that another member's view based on their individual experience isn't true?

 

Because you made a sweeping statement that is wrong when you stated "You still have to show your passport to do transactions. "  - this is inaccurate...  So why your penchant to make stuff up ????  

 

Pink ID can be used for 'counter transactions' on accounts that opened with a Pink ID and Yellow House - thats a proven fact (I've done so numerous times).

 

 

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

I have a pink ID card issued in Udon Thani. It's the older one that does have the wording on the back that says it's only valid for ID in the province where it was issued.

 

They all say that...   that doesn't mean you can't leave the province (as some suggest).

 

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

When I was asked for proof of ID for a counter transaction at the branch of Bangkok Bank in Pattaya where my account was opened several years earlier, and before I obtained the Isaan pink ID card, it was declined. They insisted on either my passport or, if I had a valid one, my Thai driving license.

 

Obviously... because you'd opened your account with your passport... 

Go and open an account with your Yellow house Book and Pink ID and you'll be able to carry out 'counter transactions' using your Pink ID as identification...    How is this concept so difficult  ???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Now, to inform those who may think that having their pink ID card number on the Thai DL is a good idea and more convenient. One person I know who did this at the DLT in Udon Thani several years ago has the additional annotation in Thai on the back of his Thai DL stating the DL is only valid in Udon Thani province, same as stated on the back of his pink ID card. Another chap who was issued a pink ID card very recently, went for his Thai DL renewal using his pink ID card and his Thai DL does not have the provincial limitation as the other guys.

 

Addressed this point already - as those who take objection to the Pink ID and Yellow House book take a different meaning and cherry pick a limitation to suit their 'agenda'... 

 

 

 

On 1/22/2024 at 9:20 AM, richard_smith237 said:

Not quite true and has been heavily debated in the past with a selective interpretation of the wording. 

 

As we have 'passports' that ID takes precedence over the Pink ID which as you mention is 'restricted to area' - that doesn't mean 'we are restricted to that area if we hold the Pink ID as we have our passport which supersedes this'....   

... on the back of the card there is a statement "The holder of this card is prohibited from leaving the issuing area except for those who have an alien identification"... (in this context the alien identification is a Passport)

 

While our DL is obtained through our Pink ID, it is registered to us (the person) with Name, DOB and photo, thus remains valid outside of the 'are stated on the Pink ID'.... 

 

On the back of the Thai DL there is also a comment that states... "Restrictions on use / Restrictions in the case of driving outside the area, us it together with a permission letter to leave the area"... 

... some misinterpret this to mean the holder cannot drive outside of the province (if the DL was obtained with a pink ID) - this is incorrect... 'Outside of the area' refers to outside of Thailand... in this case, 'written permission' is an IDP to drive with the Thai License (and IDP) outside of Thailand. 

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'm not interested anymore just to save a few baht, but for you those few baht saved can be spent on your fat and meat diet

 

But you're just SO obsessed with defending your supposed lack of interest constantly, in post after post, on these pink card threads, as if to convince yourself. All that desperation, for what? And here you've resorted to pretending it's all about saving a few baht, in contradiction to many testimonials about the using the yb and pink card for convenience.

 

Such a waste of time, since nobody cares, and you have so much else of importance to do, riding around Pattaya on your scooter.  Why not give it up for greater peace of mind while you're, you know, getting out and about?

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

for many of us it's unnecessary, just accept that

 

Everyone accepts that already and ALWAYS has. Nobody has ever said it's necessary. Just accept that rather than arguing against a straw man. You always soil your knickers when someone asks about getting one, however. Why's that?

[scubascuba3]

41 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

people who don't have a car will argue that its unnecessary, and I agree... but having a car adds a layer of convenience for a lot of people, the same with these documents....

Having a motorbike takes you to the next level in Thailand so much more useful than a car. A car is unnecessary for many, but if you want it go for it, same with yellow book and poofy pink ID card

[richard_smith237]

Just now, scubascuba3 said:

44 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

people who don't have a car will argue that its unnecessary, and I agree... but having a car adds a layer of convenience for a lot of people, the same with these documents....

Having a motorbike takes you to the next level in Thailand so much more useful than a car. A car is unnecessary for many, but if you want it go for it, same with yellow book and poofy pink ID card

 

You're getting rather ridiculous...    'bike takes you to the next level'.... ... level of what exactly ?...    such a comically unintelligent response.

 

What with the weird idea of bringing sexuality (poofy) into this as some juvenile attempt at a slur...  its Pathetic... 

 

I'll be ignoring your comments from here on in, you're offering nothing to the debate and dragging ppl down to the level you seem to prefer operating on.

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

31 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Everyone accepts that already and ALWAYS has. Nobody has ever said it's necessary. Just accept that rather than arguing against a straw man. You always soil your knickers when someone asks about getting one, however. Why's that?

 

I don't think he's bright enough to understand the difference between necessary and convenient.....  Perhaps thats why he's arguing, he thinks were stating a Pink ID is necessary... 

 

... Otherwise, I think he's just arguing for the sake of it because he didn't like a list of requirements... One thing is for sure, at one point he most certainly did think it was worthwhile getting the Yellow House Book and Pink ID, otherwise he'd never have bothered looking at a list of requirements in the first place !!! 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

I've had one for seven years now. Mine was easy to get. All I needed at the time (I think) was my passport and my Yellow Book (showing my residency). 

 

Yup.. Its the Yellow House Book that takes the leg work... it is the Yellow House Book that provides the most convenience for many of us.

 

The Pink ID is an 'add-on' that is extremely easy to get (and extra 10mins and 40 baht) and is most commonly obtained immediately after getting the Yellow House Book...   

 

It has its uses which adds a layer of convenience many have discussed, and for some reason many 'objectors' are trying to deny. 

 

Its not a big deal - but it does make me wonder what some people have against this Pink ID and why ?... I just don't get it.

 

I'm wondering if some people are projecting that those who do possess a Pink ID think they are the 'big I am'... and strut their stuff with an added degree of superiority or some such similar imaginary flaw... not the case at all, but some peoples imaginations do tend to wonder.

[Neeranam]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

They [the Bank] didn't give me a letter 'to' immigration - the bank gave me a printed Bank Statement with my name and address on it. 

 

You are trying to pick holes in anything you can to justify your opinion that a Pink ID (and Yellow Book) is not useful - We've done this dance before and you cherry pick inaccurate holes and obfuscate the discussion with irrelevant points.

 

I agree with you - the Pink ID does not show that we are legally in the country or have a valid visa, but thats not the discussion - the bank doesn't check our immigration status - so I'm not sure why you think that point is even relevant in the context of this discussion.

 

Our discussion was the use of a Pink ID to obtain a Bank statement, the only point of the Bank Statement is to proof of funds, Immigration are not even bothered about the Statement, what they really want to see is the updated Bank Book (usually updated to that day)... but that again, is an irrelevant point to the usefulness of the Pink ID.

 

Further obfuscation, either that or you are being deliberately obtuse... IF your Bank are asking for your passport, its because you opened your account with your Passport before you obtained Thai nationality. 

IF you had opened your Thai Bank accounts with your Thai National ID, then you would not be asked for your Passport. 

 

 

 

 

 

I am cherry picking nothing. 

 

You say you got a statement from the bank by just showing your pink ID card. I find this very strange and was refused when I tried it with my pink card at 2 different banks. 

If this was for showing immigration, surely you needed the letter from the bank as well. Maybe as you showed them your passport for the letter you needed to extend your visa, they didn't ask for it when giving the statement.

I assume you did the two things together.

 

Yes, we have discussed this before but the important question is 'did you get the letter from the bank to show immigration at the same time as you got the statement'?  This question has been avoided. 

 

I've been asked for my passport and WP after opening bank accounts with my Thai ID. They tell me it is law to see foreigners' passports. They assumed I was a foreigner. 

 

 

[Neeranam]

Does anyone know if you can sell gold with a pink ID card?

[Neeranam]

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Why the penchant for some members to portray their unique bureacratic experiences as somehow empirical and suggest that another member's view based on their individual experience isn't true?

 

I have a pink ID card issued in Udon Thani. It's the older one that does have the wording on the back that says it's only valid for ID in the province where it was issued.

 

When I was asked for proof of ID for a counter transaction at the branch of Bangkok Bank in Pattaya where my account was opened several years earlier, and before I obtained the Isaan pink ID card, it was declined. They insisted on either my passport or, if I had a valid one, my Thai driving license.

 

Now, to inform those who may think that having their pink ID card number on the Thai DL is a good idea and more convenient. One person I know who did this at the DLT in Udon Thani several years ago has the additional annotation in Thai on the back of his Thai DL stating the DL is only valid in Udon Thani province, same as stated on the back of his pink ID card. Another chap who was issued a pink ID card very recently, went for his Thai DL renewal using his pink ID card and his Thai DL does not have the provincial limitation as the other guys.

 

I sincerely hope this helps.

I believe the current cards still have the writing on the back saying you can't travel interprovince without consent from the amphur. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I am cherry picking nothing. 

 

You say you got a statement from the bank by just showing your pink ID card. I find this very strange and was refused when I tried it with my pink card at 2 different banks. 

 

How did you open your Bank Account ???...  Did you open your account with your Yellow Book and Pink ID, or did you open your Bank Account with your Passport as ID ??... (when countering my statement, you are missing out vital information in yours).

 

I'll repeat again: I opened my Bank Account using my Yellow House Book, hence the account is linked to my Thailand ID number - thus I have been able to 'deal with the bank' in person using the Pink ID for identification purposes... Simple really.

 

13 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

If this was for showing immigration, surely you needed the letter from the bank as well. Maybe as you showed them your passport for the letter you needed to extend your visa, they didn't ask for it when giving the statement.

I assume you did the two things together.

 

What letter ??? - No letter from the Bank was required for an extension of stay, just a printed (and stamped) statement and the Bank Book itself.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Yes, we have discussed this before but the important question is 'did you get the letter from the bank to show immigration at the same time as you got the statement'?  This question has been avoided. 

 

Again, what letter ?... the question has not been avoided, the question is moot , there has bene no requirement for a letter from the bank.

In 2020 at DLT Chaeng Wattana - Extension of stay based on Non-Imm O Marriage - no such requirement for any letter from the Bank. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I've been asked for my passport and WP after opening bank accounts with my Thai ID. They tell me it is law to see foreigners' passports. They assumed I was a foreigner. 

 

You mean the same stupid people who saw your Thai ID still assumed you are a foreigner and you are using that as proof that a passport is required for all foreigners in all bank transactions regardless of what ID (Yellow House Book) was used to open it ?...   

 

..... rather a daft leap wouldn't you agree ?

[richard_smith237]

30 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I believe the current cards still have the writing on the back saying you can't travel interprovince without consent from the amphur. 

 

Again, as you did in other threads on this subject...    You are implying that it would be 'illegal' for any Foreigner holding a Pink ID to travel outside the province of issue without consent...  That is incorrect, below is why....

 

In such circumstances our  'passports' that ID takes precedence over the Pink ID which as you mention is 'restricted to area' - that doesn't mean 'we are restricted to that area if we hold the Pink ID as we have our passport which supersedes this'....  

 

... on the back of the card there is a statement "The person named on the card is prohibited from leaving the issuing area except for those who have alien identification..."... (in this context the alien identification is a Passport)...

 

 

... This is also somewhat of a no-brainer but you like to repeat this in the 'Yellow Card / Pink ID' threads because for some reason you really object to the Pink ID card.... 

 

 

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You're getting rather ridiculous...    'bike takes you to the next level'.... ... level of what exactly ?...    such a comically unintelligent response.

 

What with the weird idea of bringing sexuality (poofy) into this as some juvenile attempt at a slur...  its Pathetic... 

 

I'll be ignoring your comments from here on in, you're offering nothing to the debate and dragging ppl down to the level you seem to prefer operating on.

 

 

 

 

 

You don't ride a motorbike so you wouldn't understand 

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

i don't think he's bright enough to understand the difference between necessary and convenient

You are clearly not bright enough to summarise your posts, instead it's constant waffling long posts, who even reads them, I don't 

[BigStar]

41 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

You don't ride a motorbike so you wouldn't understand 

 

I do, and understand perfectly. I'd observe that it must be uncomfortable riding your scooter with your sphincter puckered with worry that someone is contemplating getting a pink card. Suggest you get over it and ride more comfortably.

 

36 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

You are clearly not bright enough to summarise your posts, instead it's constant waffling long posts, who even reads them, I don't 

 

Very bright and has posted the most informative content in this thread. Since you don't read the posts, owing to your obsessive agenda, then you wouldn't know about any waffling, now would you? Meanwhile, the profundity of your posts rises to this level:

 

On 1/20/2024 at 11:22 AM, scubascuba3 said:

Apparently Bar 39 sells beer at 39 baht during happy hours, draft

[Neeranam]

53 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

What letter ??? - No letter from the Bank was required for an extension of stay, just a printed (and stamped) statement and the Bank Book itself.

When I got an extension based on marriage, I thought I needed a letter from the Bank that had my passport number on it. If I'm mistaken, apologies. 

Maybe I'm thinking of another letter. 

[jippytum]

I did mine in Pattaya .Every obstacle was placed by city hall so be prepared for a fair amount of red tape