Popular Post mokwit Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 8 hours ago, Social Media said: However, military police have raised concerns that the level of force used may have been excessive. Use of excessive force not allowed in a war. OK. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Zioner Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Can only be thankful, and hope the UK government will be up to the task of bringing back these brave men. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvorBiggun2 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 14 minutes ago, mokwit said: Use of excessive force not allowed in a war. OK. It's been used since time began. It's how wars are won. Try reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughgall_ambush Edited March 7 by IvorBiggun2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korat Kiwi Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Being arrested does not mean that they are automatically locked up. They maybe on open arrest, confined to quarters or barracks. I am certain that they had rules of engagement like every other conflict demands. High value targets would have been identified before going into the mission. Anything out of the ordinary would have been passed along the chain of command before a hit was authorised, unless there was an immediate threat of danger/loss of life or other events (That are covered in ROI). These soldiers are aware of the rules. They should not be procecuted if they are carrying out lawful orders of their superiors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mokwit Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 5 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said: It's been used since time began. It's how wars are won. Try reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughgall_ambush That was actually the point I was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 21 minutes ago, mokwit said: Use of excessive force not allowed in a war. OK. Tell that to the enemy .....it's war , you win by any means.. regards worgeordie 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 It was Military Commanders that sent the files to the Service Prosecuting Authority recommending murder charges against the five soldiers. The military justice system is different from civilian courts. https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/our-justice-system/jurisdictions/military-jurisdiction/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korat Kiwi Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 10 minutes ago, Georgealbert said: It was Military Commanders that sent the files to the Service Prosecuting Authority recommending murder charges against the five soldiers. The military justice system is different from civilian courts. https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/our-justice-system/jurisdictions/military-jurisdiction/ Ahhhh the old boys network. (Commissioned Officers/Fools). Breaker Morant here we go... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post James105 Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Erm: https://www.willesdenjewishcemetery.org.uk/news-listing/david-shilling-jcxk4-6528d Ok, fine. In a cemetery there is a block of stone that recognises how many Jewish people died which numbered about 6 million jews. I suspect it cost no more than £10000 to put up. Now, why would there specifically need to be £1,000,000 spent on the muslim contribution to the war efforts? What did muslims do over and above the Hindus, the Buddhists, the atheists, the scientologists, the christians or catholics that justifies this expenditure. And why specifically now? These stories do not seem random. Nobody (as far as I know) was pushing for SAS troops to be arrested for using excessive force against a terrorist in a war 2 years ago, nor was anyone pushing for muslims specifically to have their own war memorial. So why now? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Martin71 Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 10 minutes ago, James105 said: Ok, fine. In a cemetery there is a block of stone that recognises how many Jewish people died which numbered about 6 million jews. I suspect it cost no more than £10000 to put up. Now, why would there specifically need to be £1,000,000 spent on the muslim contribution to the war efforts? What did muslims do over and above the Hindus, the Buddhists, the atheists, the scientologists, the christians or catholics that justifies this expenditure. And why specifically now? These stories do not seem random. Nobody (as far as I know) was pushing for SAS troops to be arrested for using excessive force against a terrorist in a war 2 years ago, nor was anyone pushing for muslims specifically to have their own war memorial. So why now? Because England is a broken s@#$ hole...unfortunately...run by people who only want to help minorities.... 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 9 hours ago, Social Media said: In a startling development, five British special forces soldiers are now under arrest on suspicion of murder by military authorities. The allegations are tied to an incident involving the killing of a suspected member of Islamic Jihad in Syria in 2022. And yet Tony Blair still walks free among us. 2 2 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Denim Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 This will be alarming news to the hundreds of SAS men on undercover ops in Pattaya and schools around the country. 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 28 minutes ago, James105 said: Ok, fine. In a cemetery there is a block of stone that recognises how many Jewish people died which numbered about 6 million jews. I suspect it cost no more than £10000 to put up. Now, why would there specifically need to be £1,000,000 spent on the muslim contribution to the war efforts? What did muslims do over and above the Hindus, the Buddhists, the atheists, the scientologists, the christians or catholics that justifies this expenditure. And why specifically now? These stories do not seem random. Nobody (as far as I know) was pushing for SAS troops to be arrested for using excessive force against a terrorist in a war 2 years ago, nor was anyone pushing for muslims specifically to have their own war memorial. So why now? You’ll have to ask the Government, I simply corrected the error on the post: ’No other religion has a special memorial for this, just memorials that commemorate all those who sacrificed their lives in these wars.’ Feel free not to ask the Government and resort to wild conspiracies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, worgeordie said: Tell that to the enemy .....it's war , you win by any means.. regards worgeordie Excessive violence by British troops has a long history of giving rise political and diplomatic problems that have, on more than one occasion, had far reaching negative impacts on the UK and its overseas interests. Wars can be also be lost by ‘any means’. 1 3 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Money Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 42 minutes ago, Martin71 said: Because England is a broken s@#$ hole...unfortunately...run by people who only want to help minorities.... If you were an American, you’d be a Trumper. I feel your pain 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post G_Money Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Excessive violence by British troops has a long history of giving rise political and diplomatic problems that have, on more than one occasion, had far reaching negative impacts on the UK and its overseas interests. Wars can be also be lost by ‘any means’. Make sure you send the same message to Islamic Jihadist that practice beheadings of westerners on television. 3 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doctor Tom Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Excessive violence by British troops has a long history of giving rise political and diplomatic problems that have, on more than one occasion, had far reaching negative impacts on the UK and its overseas interests. Wars can be also be lost by ‘any means’. I could not be more disinterested in others opinions on this subject., unless its in support of the troops. Experience what Special Forces experience, and indeed look at the utterly disgraceful pursuit of Para Reg troops after Bloody Sunday. All the bleeding hearts and politico's need to shut the fxxx up and leave the troops to do their job. Military discipline can deal with the outliers. Western troops, as an international cohort, are the most disciplined, effective and dedicated troops in the World. They just don't need this kind of sxxt on their backs. Look at who they are supposed to have killed and then weep your crocodile tears. For all the above applies to the IDF in their pursuit of terrorists in Gaza. 4 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Martin71 Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 12 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said: I could not be more disinterested in others opinions on this subject., unless its in support of the troops. Experience what Special Forces experience, and indeed look at the utterly disgraceful pursuit of Para Reg troops after Bloody Sunday. All the bleeding hearts and politico's need to shut the fxxx up and leave the troops to do their job. Military discipline can deal with the outliers. Western troops, as an international cohort, are the most disciplined, effective and dedicated troops in the World. They just don't need this kind of sxxt on their backs. Look at who they are supposed to have killed and then weep your crocodile tears. For all the above applies to the IDF in their pursuit of terrorists in Gaza. Well said sir.. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post G_Money Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Excessive violence by British troops has a long history of giving rise political and diplomatic problems that have, on more than one occasion, had far reaching negative impacts on the UK and its overseas interests. Wars can be also be lost by ‘any means’. Have you considered terminating your UK citizenship, purchasing a one way ticket to any Middle Eastern or Muslim country popular with jihadist? You could be their expat poster child. Edited March 7 by G_Money 2 1 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Martin71 said: Because England is a broken s@#$ hole...unfortunately...run by people who only want to help minorities.... No it isn't. When was the last time you were in UK and where did you go? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, G_Money said: Have you considered terminating your UK citizenship, purchasing a one way ticket to any Middle Eastern or Muslim country popular with jihadist? You could be their expat poster child. You might be mistaken on his citizenship. Edited March 7 by youreavinalaff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin71 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 January.. London where I was born and bred... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, Martin71 said: January.. London where I was born and bred... So, the area of London where you live is, in your opinion, a s$#t hole? I can assure you, the whole country certainly is not. You are exaggerating for effect. Didn't work. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Money Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: You might be mistaken on his citizenship. You could be right. He sounds like one of the loony Citizens of The World types. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Tom Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, mokwit said: Use of excessive force not allowed in a war. OK. What a dumb statement mate. Excessive force is exactly what it required in War, its called bringing overwilling force to bear on the enemy and its the cornerstone of combat. You are getting mixed up with 'Military Aid to the Civil Power', which is an entirely different situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jaideedave Posted March 7 Popular Post Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Not quite as good as meeting a member of the ‘SAS’ on the next stool in some downtown Pattaya den of iniquity, but good effort worthy of recognition. On my 1st visit to Pattaya in 1990 I met an ex SAS soldier in a bar on Soi PO..I'm ex military myself and I'm afraid he wasn't very convincing. I also had the pleasure of meeting an Aussie policeman in a bar the same area much later. He was working undercover at the time and couldn't tell me much about the case.All he was missing was the trench coat.Yes there are many of these fellows active in Thailand. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mokwit Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said: What a dumb statement mate. Excessive force is exactly what it required in War, its called bringing overwilling force to bear on the enemy and its the cornerstone of combat. You are getting mixed up with 'Military Aid to the Civil Power', which is an entirely different situation. Not getting confused with anything. That was what I meant, that was what the 'OK' was about - meant to be sarcastic. perhaps I should have used a rolls eyes emoji or something. Jeez, and you called me dumb, also it's "overwhelming" not 'overwilling'. I forget the ratio generally regarded as required - 3:1 in manpower and firepower - maybe more? Edited March 7 by mokwit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mokwit Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) Re my post: 'Use of excessive force not allowed in a war. OK.' The point I was making/trying to make was that in war you seek to be able to deploy overwhelming force to win, but it seems the soldiers are being charged for effectively doing just that. The 'OK' was meant as in: 'er right OK, then' i.e. being sarcastic. Edited March 7 by mokwit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, Korat Kiwi said: These soldiers are aware of the rules. They should not be procecuted if they are carrying out lawful orders of their superiors. That may be the nub of it. As I understand, a serviceman has two options. He either obeys his orders or refuses. When he has chosen to obey an unlawful order he can be arrested and tried in a civilian criminal court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, G_Money said: Make sure you send the same message to Islamic Jihadist that practice beheadings of westerners on television. The two wrongs make a right response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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