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  On 5/3/2024 at 12:49 PM, Jingthing said:

The two state solution is deader than a doornail now anyway.

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And Palestine does not want a two-state solution, they want "river to the sea" and nothing else is acceptable to them. 

 

Sure, they'll pretend to want it, they'll pretend anything to get a ceasefire and to keep Hamas in place. 

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Let's never forget that israel came to be when Irgun and Stern gang terrorism drove the British out of Palestine, and a terrorist ( Begin ) even  became PM. Born of terrorism, and IMO still uses

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The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2023, the State of Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).  

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Founded in 1987, Hamas opposed the secular approach of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, rejected attempts to cede any part of Palestine, and embraced th

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  On 5/3/2024 at 12:54 PM, Yellowtail said:

And Palestine does not want a two-state solution, they want "river to the sea" and nothing else is acceptable to them. 

 

Sure, they'll pretend to want it, they'll pretend anything to get a ceasefire and to keep Hamas in place. 

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I totally agree.

Neither side trusts each other and now it's worse than it's ever been.

Not that I know the answer, but two states is NOT happening. 

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I totally agree.

Neither side trusts each other and now it's worse than it's ever been.

Not that I know the answer, but two states is NOT happening. 

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The answer is the eradication of Hamas and an Israeli occupation indefinitely.  

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  On 5/3/2024 at 12:29 PM, rattlesnake said:

 

"What should Israel do…"

 

To begin with, pubicly state that it agrees to a two-state solution, then act upon it.

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   Palestinians cannot be trusted with their own state , they will attack Israel every chance they get 

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   Palestinians cannot be trusted with their own state , they will attack Israel every chance they get 

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Of course they will and a full blown state with the backing of Iran can get rather easily get to the point of actually being able to erase Israel.

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Okay so 1993, Oslo Accords.

Before they could be applied, Rabin was assassinated by an extremist whose ideas were aligned with the Likud and the Netanyahu faction then took over. Their leitmotiv is to never ever accept a two-state solution.

 

Greater Israel, from the Euphrates to the Nile. As Ben Gurion told his son in a letter in 1937, partition would be a first step to “possession of the land as a whole.”

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The problem is there is NOT the will -- on EITHER side.

 

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Apologies, I misread your comment in my above response, I thought you said "it is not about the will".

 

There was the will on the Palestinian side in the 90s, from the PLO, which was weakened and replaced by the radical Hamas. Who was pulling the strings?

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Apologies, I misread your comment in my above response, I thought you said "it is not about the will".

 

There was the will on the Palestinian side in the 90s, from the PLO, which was weakened and replaced by the radical Hamas. Who was pulling the strings?

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To what end? Your mind is made up, if you wanted to know you would. 

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I know the topic very well, from the late 19th century to the present day, and the notion that Israel offered a two-state solution in 2000, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2020 is new to me.

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I know the topic very well, from the late 19th century to the present day, and the notion that Israel offered a two-state solution in 2000, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2020 is new to me.

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Then you do not know the topic as well as you think. Of course, you'll have to look further that Al-jazeera 

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Back to the here and now and the topic at hand. The full details of the proposed ceasefire agreement are published. The one everyone is waiting on Hamas to reply to, in the link below.

 

A Lebanese media outlet published on May 1 the purported text of the Egyptian-proposed ceasefire agreement that Hamas is considering.[i] The reported proposal addresses all of Hamas’ maximalist demands except for a permanent ceasefire.[ii] Hamas would not likely adhere to a permanent ceasefire, however, given that Hamas has violated previous ceasefires and that Hamas remains committed to destroying Israel.[iii]

https://www.criticalthreats.org/analysis/iran-update-may-2-2024

 

 

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Absolutely need a deadline on this otherwise Hamas will just carry on dragging it as it has since it broke the last deal end of Nov last year!

 

Hamas Must Strike Deal Within Week or Rafah Ground Offensive Will go ahead with a ground operation, Egyptian officials involved in ongoing negotiations said on May 2. The current proposal — drafted by the United States and Egypt and accepted by Israel — is awaiting approval from Hamas’s Gaza chief, Yahya Sinwar.

Hamas said on May 3 that it is sending a delegation to Egypt to review the deal “as soon as possible” and is expected to arrive in Cairo on May 4. CIA director Bill Burns, who is leading Washington’s effort, has already arrived. According to The Washington Post, Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh told Egyptian Intelligence Minister Maj. Gen. Abbas Kamel that the deliberations were moving forward with a “positive spirit.” Hamas is demanding that Israel fully withdraw from Gaza and permanently end the war. During his most recent visit to the region on May 1, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that the “only reason that [this ceasefire] wouldn’t be achieved is because of Hamas.”

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/03/hamas-must-strike-deal-within-week-or-rafah-ground-offensive-will-begin-israel-signals/

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Parts of Gaza Are in Famine, World Food Program Chief Says

The director of the World Food Program, Cindy McCain, says that parts of the Gaza Strip are experiencing a “full-blown famine” that is rapidly spreading throughout the territory after almost seven months of war.

Ms. McCain is the second high-profile American leading a U.S. government or U.N. aid effort who has said that there is famine in northern Gaza, although her remarks do not constitute an official declaration, which is a complex bureaucratic process.

“There is famine — full-blown famine in the north, and it’s moving its way south,” Ms. McCain said in excerpts released on Friday of an interview with “Meet the Press.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/04/world/middleeast/cindy-mccain-gaza-famine.html

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Parts of Gaza Are in Famine, World Food Program Chief Says

The director of the World Food Program, Cindy McCain, says that parts of the Gaza Strip are experiencing a “full-blown famine” that is rapidly spreading throughout the territory after almost seven months of war.

Ms. McCain is the second high-profile American leading a U.S. government or U.N. aid effort who has said that there is famine in northern Gaza, although her remarks do not constitute an official declaration, which is a complex bureaucratic process.

“There is famine — full-blown famine in the north, and it’s moving its way south,” Ms. McCain said in excerpts released on Friday of an interview with “Meet the Press.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/04/world/middleeast/cindy-mccain-gaza-famine.html

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Wow, seven months without food and water, one would think they'd have given up those hostages by now. 

 

Hey, maybe when Biden's plan to bring the Palestinian to US gets going, he'll bring the hungriest ones first. 

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Parts of Gaza Are in Famine, World Food Program Chief Says

The director of the World Food Program, Cindy McCain, says that parts of the Gaza Strip are experiencing a “full-blown famine” that is rapidly spreading throughout the territory after almost seven months of war.

Ms. McCain is the second high-profile American leading a U.S. government or U.N. aid effort who has said that there is famine in northern Gaza, although her remarks do not constitute an official declaration, which is a complex bureaucratic process.

“There is famine — full-blown famine in the north, and it’s moving its way south,” Ms. McCain said in excerpts released on Friday of an interview with “Meet the Press.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/04/world/middleeast/cindy-mccain-gaza-famine.html

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Wow, seven months without food and water, one would think they'd have given up those hostages by now. 

 

Hey, maybe when Biden's plan to bring the Palestinian to US gets going, he'll bring the hungriest ones first. 

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