Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, vinny41 said:

And still no  independently verified evidence of The Quincy Institute being extremely antisemitic.

In the past merely the accusation was sufficient to shut down whatever the israelis wanted to shut down. That no longer works.

Shouting "wolf" too many times has exposed it for what it is.

[Skipalongcassidy]

18 hours ago, Neeranam said:

  

Do you think this is All Muslims? 

 

Yes... and to deny it is as ignorant as you seem to think that I am... muslims hate and terrorize... they are the instigators whether it be overtly or covertly... none of them are part of any solution... they either are aggressors or do not say anything because they know that the mullahs will have them killed if they do.

[Bkk Brian]

This is absolutely vile. We have posters here making lame attempts to compare the innocent hostages held for reward in terrible conditions in tunnels. Raped, abused and murdered. Women and children. Some taken by Gazans civilians and sold to Hamas for blood money. There is NO moral equivalence, a shameful comparison.

 

https://x.com/YakiLopez/status/1792274497887674459

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said Sunday that the footage was shown earlier that day to the family, who “asked us to share it with the world to expose Hamas’s terror, to expose Hamas’s cruelty, to expose Hamas’s barbarism.”

 

 

IDF releases Hamas propaganda video recovered from Gaza of former child hostage

The clip itself was filmed by the Hamas terrorists but never publicly released. The family approved the military’s publication of the video.

Ela and her older sister, Dafna Elyakim, 15, were kidnapped together on October 7 from Kibbutz Nahal Oz, after their father, Noam, his girlfriend, Dikla, and Dikla’s son, Tomer, were all murdered by the terrorists.

After the recovery of the bodies of four hostages on Friday, it is believed that 124 people abducted by Hamas on October 7 remain in Gaza, with the deaths of 37 of them confirmed by Israeli authorities.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-releases-hamas-propaganda-video-recovered-from-gaza-of-former-child-hostage/

 

[vinny41]

8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Look up the word "Hostage".

A person being held and demands being made for their release .

No demands are being made or wanted for the Palestine release from jail 

During the ceasefire talks Palestinian prisoners including administrative detainee ratio numbers, age, male or female and can Israel hold a veto on who is being released and the timings of their release are discussed by

Israel and Hamas 

2023 Israeli–Palestinian prisoner exchange

Israel released 240 Palestinian prisoners, 107 of whom were between 14 and 17 years old, and three-quarters of whom had not been convicted of a crime, although some were awaiting trial in a military court.[1] In exchange, Hamas released 105 civilians, which included 81 people from Israel, 23 Thais and one Filipino.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli–Palestinian_prisoner_exchange

In 2012 ICJ issued the following

“Under international law, administrative detention is unlawful, except in narrow circumstances as an exceptional and temporary measure.  However, Israel has routinely resorted to unlawful prolonged administrative detention of individuals from the Occupied Palestinian Territory, sometimes as an alternative to criminal proceedings,” said Saïd Benarbia, Senior Legal Adviser for the Middle East and North Africa Programme. “Israeli authorities must comply with their obligations under international law and fully guarantee the rights of persons arrested or imprisoned without charge to the presumption of innocence, medical assistance, communication with family members and full and unrestricted access to a legal counsel.”

https://www.icj.org/israel-must-end-abusive-practice-of-administrative-detention-and-ensure-humane-treatment-of-hunger-strikers/

According to Haaretz, as of March, at least 27 detainees from Gaza had died in Israeli military facilities since the beginning of the war, including some at Sde Teiman. One of the most recent deaths to be confirmed was Adnan al-Bursh, a Palestinian doctor who was reportedly arrested in December at Al-Awda Hospital in northern Gaza; it was announced this month that al-Bursh had died in Ofer Prison in April. The Israeli authorities have refused to give details about the circumstances of his death.

After the shocking images were exposed, Israeli officials admitted that approximately 90 percent of the detainees were civilians unaffiliated with any militant groups.

https://www.972mag.com/sde-teiman-torture-prisoners/

[coolcarer]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

During the ceasefire talks Palestinian prisoners including administrative detainee ratio numbers, age, male or female and can Israel hold a veto on who is being released and the timings of their release are discussed by

Israel and Hamas 

2023 Israeli–Palestinian prisoner exchange

Israel released 240 Palestinian prisoners, 107 of whom were between 14 and 17 years old, and three-quarters of whom had not been convicted of a crime, although some were awaiting trial in a military court.[1] In exchange, Hamas released 105 civilians, which included 81 people from Israel, 23 Thais and one Filipino.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli–Palestinian_prisoner_exchange

In 2012 ICJ issued the following

“Under international law, administrative detention is unlawful, except in narrow circumstances as an exceptional and temporary measure.  However, Israel has routinely resorted to unlawful prolonged administrative detention of individuals from the Occupied Palestinian Territory, sometimes as an alternative to criminal proceedings,” said Saïd Benarbia, Senior Legal Adviser for the Middle East and North Africa Programme. “Israeli authorities must comply with their obligations under international law and fully guarantee the rights of persons arrested or imprisoned without charge to the presumption of innocence, medical assistance, communication with family members and full and unrestricted access to a legal counsel.”

https://www.icj.org/israel-must-end-abusive-practice-of-administrative-detention-and-ensure-humane-treatment-of-hunger-strikers/

According to Haaretz, as of March, at least 27 detainees from Gaza had died in Israeli military facilities since the beginning of the war, including some at Sde Teiman. One of the most recent deaths to be confirmed was Adnan al-Bursh, a Palestinian doctor who was reportedly arrested in December at Al-Awda Hospital in northern Gaza; it was announced this month that al-Bursh had died in Ofer Prison in April. The Israeli authorities have refused to give details about the circumstances of his death.

After the shocking images were exposed, Israeli officials admitted that approximately 90 percent of the detainees were civilians unaffiliated with any militant groups.

https://www.972mag.com/sde-teiman-torture-prisoners/

Conspiracy theory rubbish at best. Deliberate false claim. Hostages are hostages. Prisoners are prisoners. Look it up. It’s a fact.

 

 

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A link to a website making false claims has been removed. To be clear. Hamas are holding hostages. Israel is not. Any further posts making this claim will be removed.

[Danderman123]

Stefanik calls for wiping Hamas ‘off the face of the Earth’ and touts Trump policies in speech to Israeli Knesset

 

The Trump position on the Gaza war is hard-line.

[Neeranam]

18 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that.

Indeed, the release of all administrative prisoners and hostages would be a good starting point for peace talks. 

Then the return of land taken by settlers, and forming a Palestinian State would be the next best thing. 

 

[owl sees all]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Indeed, the release of all administrative prisoners and hostages would be a good starting point for peace talks. 

Then the return of land taken by settlers, and forming a Palestinian State would be the next best thing. 

 

One country, one person one vote, equality for all. Everyone getting along no matter what god is worshiped. Like it was before Palestine was over run by Europeans. If Israel don't wake up and smell the coffee, even that might not be possible.

 

The writing is on the wall for the regime.

[Bkk Brian]

38 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Indeed, the release of all administrative prisoners and hostages would be a good starting point for peace talks. 

Then the return of land taken by settlers, and forming a Palestinian State would be the next best thing. 

 

Indeed, the release of all administrative prisoners and hostages would be a good starting point for peace talks. 

 

Wake up Neeranam, Hamas the terrorists have refused any hostage deal, they broke the last one back in early Dec and have refused everyone since.

 

They've also refused the orders from ICJ and UN to release the hostages. Why are you not calling for the release of all hostages with no pre conditions, rewarding terrorists is ok with you?

[Hummin]

Breaking news

 

EXCLUSIVE: ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu for war crimes over October 7 attack and Gaza war

 

 

On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023: 

 

On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for  the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

 

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

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5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Breaking news

 

EXCLUSIVE: ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu for war crimes over October 7 attack and Gaza war

 

 

On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023: 

 

On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for  the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

 

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

There is already a topic running on this, please discuss here:

 

ICC Seeks Arrest Warrants for Sinwar and Netanyahu Over War Crimes & October 7 Attack

https://aseannow.com/topic/1327742-icc-seeks-arrest-warrants-for-sinwar-and-netanyahu-over-war-crimes-october-7-attack

 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, owl sees all said:

One country, one person one vote, equality for all. Everyone getting along no matter what god is worshiped. Like it was before Palestine was over run by Europeans. If Israel don't wake up and smell the coffee, even that might not be possible.

 

The writing is on the wall for the regime.

The writing may be on the wall, but one fears that it will be erased by IMO bad actors in the US.

[Nick Carter icp]

14 hours ago, owl sees all said:

One country, one person one vote, equality for all. Everyone getting along no matter what god is worshiped. Like it was before Palestine was over run by Europeans. If Israel don't wake up and smell the coffee, even that might not be possible.

 

The writing is on the wall for the regime.

 

Israelis are about half or Arabic descent and about 20 % of European descent .

   Israel is where all the Iranian, Moroccan , Sudanese , and many other Arab Countries Jews fled to .

   Jews originate  from Arabia , do you originate from Thailand ?

[Bkk Brian]

16 hours ago, owl sees all said:

One country, one person one vote, equality for all. Everyone getting along no matter what god is worshiped. Like it was before Palestine was over run by Europeans. If Israel don't wake up and smell the coffee, even that might not be possible.

 

The writing is on the wall for the regime.

Another one living in a dream world. Have you forgotten about Hamas? There's a reason they need eliminating.

[Bkk Brian]

Biden: Gaza not a genocide, US wants Hamas beaten

US President Joe Biden says his administration “stand[s] with Israel to take out Sinwar and the rest of the butchers of Hamas.”

“We want Hamas defeated, and we’re working with Israel to make that happen,” Biden says at a White House event marking Jewish American Heritage Month.

“Contrary to allegations made against Israel in the International Court of Justice, what’s happening is not genocide,” Biden asserts.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-gaza-not-a-genocide-us-wants-hamas-beaten/

[owl sees all]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

Israelis are about half or Arabic descent and about 20 % of European descent .

   Israel is where all the Iranian, Moroccan , Sudanese , and many other Arab Countries Jews fled to .

   Jews originate  from Arabia , do you originate from Thailand ?

It was - and still is - the Europeans that were/are rampaging across Palestine evicting Semites from the land and forcing them out of their homes.

 

If some foreigner did that to any reasonable person they would expect some resistance.

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Another one living in a dream world. Have you forgotten about Hamas? There's a reason they need eliminating.

Did Israel not start Hamas up, and fund them for years?

 

Kill one Hamas fighter and two will take their place.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Did Israel not start Hamas up, and fund them for years?

 

Kill one Hamas fighter and two will take their place.

No they did not start Hamas. No they did not fund them. Check your facts or go to one of the historical topics. Your finishing  sentence is just as nonsense. 

 

You also totally diverted from the question.

[Nick Carter icp]

6 hours ago, owl sees all said:

It was - and still is - the Europeans that were/are rampaging across Palestine evicting Semites from the land and forcing them out of their homes.

 

If some foreigner did that to any reasonable person they would expect some resistance.

 

   This thread is about the war in Gaza . 

Settlements in the West bank is a different area and a different topic

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   This thread is about the war in Gaza . 

Settlements in the West bank is a different area and a different topic

So the people in Gaza have not had their homes stolen? They can look over the fence and see their old land. They used to be able to fish in the sea too,

[Nick Carter icp]

10 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

So the people in Gaza have not had their homes stolen? They can look over the fence and see their old land. They used to be able to fish in the sea too,

 

  They haven't no .

And they still can fish in the sea . 

 

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   This thread is about the war in Gaza . 

Settlements in the West bank is a different area and a different topic

Thread Title indicates that you are incorrect

Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Thread Title indicates that you are incorrect

Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

I thought the war was in Gaza? Did Hamas also attack Israel from the West Bank?

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Thread Title indicates that you are incorrect

Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

 

   Israel is at war in Gaza .

Settlements are in another location and a different topic .

The Settlements are not in Gaza and they aren't the reason for this war . 

[owl sees all]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

original Semites in this 

  They haven't no .

And they still can fish in the sea . 

 

Dear me Nick mate. Palestine was once the home to the Palestinians. Christian, Jews Islamists and any others. Their land has been stolen by the Europeans. Herded like sheep into a prison called Gaza. Surely the Palestinians have a right to resist their oppressors.

 

The UK did some bad things when they were top doggies. If this 'war' turns into WW111 - which it could - it will go down as the worst by far.

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  They haven't no .

And they still can fish in the sea . 

 

Yes they have continue to steal land, and protect illegal settlers! 

 

The blockade have more or less managed to kill Gazans fishing industry, so again, you are biased and lying, if you do not know better, check your facts. 

 

It is just incredible you guys can continue to defend Isreal in every matter that seems to be negative, even you guys know their crimes for decades, you still find ways to make excuses on their behalf. 

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I thought the war was in Gaza? Did Hamas also attack Israel from the West Bank?

If you not happy with the Title Thread suggest you take that up with the Op

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

Dear me Nick mate. Palestine was once the home to the Palestinians. Christian, Jews Islamists and any others. Their land has been stolen by the Europeans. Herded like sheep into a prison called Gaza. Surely the Palestinians have a right to resist their oppressors.

 

The UK did some bad things when they were top doggies. If this 'war' turns into WW111 - which it could - it will go down as the worst by far.

 

   Palestine has always been home to Jews , they were forced out by the Romans and Muslims many years ago .

   Most Israelis are not of European descent , many are Arabian descent