Taurine for life extension -- if you're old already why wait for the research on humans?

[AreYouGerman]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Do what you want.

 

This topic really isn't about whether a mostly red meat diet is good for you or not.

It's about taurine maybe helping with longevity, etc.

 

The link below suggests a quite large dose (3,000 milligrams. !!!) that is considered safe, but nobody knows what the optimal dose would be to possibly get a longevity benefit, and of course that would vary based on the individual. So trying this is experimentation.

 

Well, before looking at meat as bad which it isn't, take a look how microplastics is poisoning us on the huge scale, birth defects, lower Testosterone, shrinking penis size, and so and nobody is doing anything about it.

 

"Boys born to expectant mothers exposed to high levels of phthalates showed smaller penis sizes".

 

https://menshealth.com.au/study-links-plastic-to-smaller-genitals/

 

In the US, they tried to ban a couple of these microplastics of thousands and then it got overturned anyway:

 

https://www.chemradar.com/news/detail/dhdkxgogwu0w

 

But we have to fight global warming by making meat expensive. What a complete hoax while real issues are ignored.

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

Well, before looking at meat as bad which it isn't, take a look how microplastics is poisoning us on the huge scale, birth defects, lower Testosterone, shrinking penis size, and so and nobody is doing anything about it.

 

"Boys born to expectant mothers exposed to high levels of phthalates showed smaller penis sizes".

 

https://menshealth.com.au/study-links-plastic-to-smaller-genitals/

 

In the US, they tried to ban a couple of these microplastics of thousands and then it got overturned anyway:

 

https://www.chemradar.com/news/detail/dhdkxgogwu0w

 

But we have to fight global warming by making meat expensive. What a complete hoax while real issues are ignored.

 

The topic isn't meat or global warming.

Maybe start your own topic if you aren't interested in this one?

[AreYouGerman]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

The topic isn't meat or global warming.

Maybe start your own topic if you aren't interested in this one?

 

Calm down, isn't the thread about longevity as well? Microplastics play a huge role.

 

Also I replied to your entire post about meat. If you want only talk about Taurine, already 90% of the posts in your thread are not about it.

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

Calm down, isn't the thread about longevity as well? Microplastics play a huge role.

 

Also I replied to your entire post about meat. If you want only talk about Taurine, already 90% of the posts in your thread are not about it.

 

 

 

I'm calm but your hijack attempt is tedious.

[AreYouGerman]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm calm but your hijack attempt is tedious.

 

"Hijack attempt". Woah, buddy. Now gloves are off.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

"Hijack attempt". Woah, buddy. Now gloves are off.

Boring.

[AreYouGerman]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Boring.

 

Indeed. Let's keep continue this bickering to help you achieve your goals.

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

The link below suggests a quite large dose (3,000 milligrams. !!!) that is considered safe, but nobody knows what the optimal dose would be to possibly get a longevity benefit, and of course that would vary based on the individual. So trying this is experimentation

 

You read a lot of personal experiences and opinions about taurine on Reddit:

 

https://reddit.com/r/Supplements/search?q=taurine&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

 

I'm not in the least opposed to the taurine idea and take a few supplements myself. I can afford to waste the money.😉 

 

I'd first optimize the lifestyle, however, meaning diet and exercise to get the numbers all in normal range:

 

 

And the HbA1C 5.7 or less, normal BP and HR, normal BMI or waist/height ratio.

 

The idea being to use proven measures to compress morbidity to lengthen the period free of chronic disease, slow the progress of sarcopenia (lessen risk of falls, for one thing), and so increase the probability of longer lifespan. Centenarians live so long because genetically they postpone chronic diseases. You got to do it without counting on the genes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 14 by BigStar

[wombat]

whatever gets you through the night...go for it

[Walker88]

23 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

 

 

 

Our ANF Life Coaches approve and will applaud if you end it in the optimal style. The ideal to aim for is that short but happy life ending with a smile on one's face during a bonk. Have the Viagra pack half empty on your bedside table as evidence for CSI: ANF to investigate, as with that Frenchman: Viagra found next to dead Frenchman. More important than the death, really.

 

 

 

If you do the needful from a young age, Viagra will never be necessary and best avoided. Many men go into their last years never needing any more than a sexy woman.

 

I give you two anecdotes:

 

I cannot find the research, so readers can take this as apocryphal, but I read years ago that some clinic was doing research on how quickly a man could go from flaccid to ejaculation. They had different age groups as subjects. The "winner" took something like 11 seconds, and he was 83 years old.

 

The second involves the assassination of Kim Jong-un's brother at the airport in KL. Two unwitting women applied VX to the face of the brother. Apparently VX is extra potent (absorbed much faster) against guys who regularly use Viagra, and the brother was known to be a regular user. BOOM! Dead. The two women washed their hands and didn't absorb enough to do them harm, besides not being Viagra users.

 

An aside to this aside....Kim Jong-nam spent a lot of time in Macau. He often could be found sitting in a bar having a drink or two, and was more than happy to strike up chats with fellow bargoers. Someone I know had a chat with him and was told by Kim that "I once killed my chauffeur with a 7-iron".  Nice family, those Kims.

[Walker88]

21 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Why would you want to extend your life? It's quality not quantity that matters and determines how you come back. 

Reasonable people know nobody is coming back, so they want to maximize this one iteration and be as healthy as possible until closure and entropy wins. The OP noted taurine supplements have some evidence to suggest it helps prolong this one shot at existence.

 

Certainly the folks suffering severe dementia have already left the building, save for their body organs not yet shutting down. Whatever they were in terms of thought and personality is gone. Those still maintaining their neurons and frontal cortex can try to avoid any of the things that lead to dementia, at least the things that can be prevented.

[rwill]

I have been taking it for about a year now.  But only 1,000MG a day.  Most of the articles I have seen recommend 2-3grams/day.

[digger70]

Taurine for life extension -- if you're old already why wait for the research on humans? 

 

It is the same as with all the other lotions and Potions vitamin and extra substances what are for sale to the Gullible people  .They are all sold to make money (for the Greedy) But none are Proven to Do anything for you They all Say that they (May) help not that they Help or that they can prove that they  improve your Health.

you want to live long? Yes? 

Just eat a lot off Veg and Dairy/Meat and Fruit . Eat Healthy do some exercise may that be at home or garden or whatever . don't get bored get off your Butt and do something.

 

[Jaggg88]

On 4/14/2024 at 4:14 AM, bendejo said:

Yeah, maybe a waste of money but there is no other way to find out if it will work for you.  It's like buying a theatre ticket.    And then there is the price, 30 US pennys per day for a month or two isn't much of a complaint. 

IMO the crucial hazard is that you take something that may be detrimental to your well-being.  I knew a fellow who took a some zinc and had quite a negative reaction; I don't recall his story, but he did live to tell it, and he would be the first to admit he didn't know what he was doing.

After some years in SEA and only being able to find somewhat comparable vitamins to what I would buy in the US, I returned to the US and started taking the ones I used to take (a daily multiple, and a B-complex).  In about a month and a half my eyesight improved.  I cite it as the cause and effect of the vitamins, that's my best guess.  And it was not detrimental.  For those wondering what I bought in Asia if you go to Malaysia and look hard enough you may be able to find Soligar or Solaray (I forgot which). 

I have also started other supplements, some as doctors' recommendations: B12, D3, and now considering magnesium.

 

You should take D3 with K2. There are supplements that combine the two

[Presnock]

On 4/14/2024 at 1:47 AM, Jingthing said:

Not putting this on a health topic because no responsible health practioner is going to advise taking a supplement for a hoped for result that hasn't been tested on humans.

 

I am not recommending it either, not that I have any medical credibility on the topic either way.

 

So this is more of a general discussion / philosophy topic. 

 

You may have heard that Taurine has shown very good results in life extension in mice.

 

This is the same ingredient that is found in energy drinks, but energy drinks have lots of other stuff.

 

Apparently, to get a roughly equivalent dose you'd need to drink 5 energy drinks a day and you don't want to do that!

 

But wait. Taurine itself is available in supplements.

 

Apparently, Taurine in reasonable doses is not known to be harmful but if you try it for life extension you wouldn't know --

 

if it would work at all (no human research)

 

what the optimal dose would be even though you can rough guess (no human research)

 

if perhaps it would be harmful taken over a long time (no human research)

 

So this cannot and is not recommended as we wait (for how long? decades?)  for human research to be done.

 

So here's the 64,000 baht question.

 

If you're already old, you don't have the time to wait for the human research.

 

Would it really be so crazy for such people to take taurine supplements now?

 

What do they have to lose if it's a mistake? Obviously much less than younger people.

Well I follow Dr. William Li's books on food tofight disease, food for longevity etic.  If I decided that I did want to try taurine, I would not take synthetic  taurine but the naturally occuring taurine would probably be safer  in my opinion.  There are so many natural foods that can help the body defenses and thus maybe allow one to live more health and longer lives.  This has been proven in many cases and much has been learned in the the very recent years.  Good luck, enjoy be happy,

[AgMech Cowboy]

From muscleandstrength.com: Taurine occurs naturally in foods with protein, such as meat or fish. The human body uses taurine for actions in cells. One example is that taurine is used for energy production. Taurine also helps the body process bile acid and balance fluids, salts and minerals, among other actions.

 

Why not...  Seems to make sense to me.

 

Check out: www.healthline.com/nutrition/what-is-taurine

[AreYouGerman]

3 hours ago, Jaggg88 said:

You should take D3 with K2. There are supplements that combine the two

And there's an interesting paper about it:

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322071346_Enhanced_Growth_of_the_Adult_Penis_With_Vitamin_D_3

 

🤣

[john donson]

you might need to take very high dose for human equivalent...

[john donson]

5 hours ago, digger70 said:

Taurine for life extension -- if you're old already why wait for the research on humans? 

 

It is the same as with all the other lotions and Potions vitamin and extra substances what are for sale to the Gullible people  .They are all sold to make money (for the Greedy) But none are Proven to Do anything for you They all Say that they (May) help not that they Help or that they can prove that they  improve your Health.

you want to live long? Yes? 

Just eat a lot off Veg and Dairy/Meat and Fruit . Eat Healthy do some exercise may that be at home or garden or whatever . don't get bored get off your Butt and do something.

 

 

supplements are not patentable... so no private company can inject 100 million dollar in clinic trials where the outcome is that even proven to work, everybody can just make and sell...

 

the disgusting thing is, in europe, many supplements are now forbidden to import by codex...

 

like DHEA...  or melatonin above 300 mcg ...  while fully available to the rest of the world

 

and why you think ?   big pharma and patentable HRT , etc...

 

I would love to have the freedom to try natural alternatives to the expensive with FRAUD ridden big pharma medication ...

 

recently some things that got you banned a few months ago about  c....  starts now to be proven FACTS... but the people proclaiming in that time (no not me) where conspiracy theorists...

 

our food is depleted of nutrients, with only NPK used in agriculture... the rests of the 87 minerals it is lacking , you can compare in taste and lack of nutrients...

 

there are a lot of crap cheap costco/walmart bull crap products, but you have to learn to buy quality with natural ingredients instead of chemical pseudo equivalents...

 

there are many diseases of nutritional deficiencies creates by big pharma meds, but off course, nobody cares, certainly not your MD, that wants you out in a record time, prescribing what makes him/her and the hospital big money

[Carlotta]

On 4/14/2024 at 1:47 AM, Jingthing said:

what the optimal dose would be even though you can rough guess (no human research)

 Well, do you know that the annual global turnover in this supplement business is more than 250 Billion Euro/USD ?

So, if you follow the newcomers in EU countries every year you will see many new supplements starting in one country and flowing to all others. In the first they start with medical promises - what is against law - and when its off he market because of these reasons the same game starts in another country. and so on.

Popular are diet products or weight loss products (Carnithin eg). 

Now to one of the latest (next will come Fisetin or Quercetin I suppose) as Taurin:

Yeah, some mice lived londer than others and went more agile than others. But they are mice. And it was "tested" with a handful of creatures. So, at present no evidence or proof. 

The human dosage you asked for is between half a gram and 6 grams. Nobody will prevent you to drink or swallow it. (cristalline powder is not expensive. Lazada)

Try and spend 

[Carlotta]

18 hours ago, AreYouGerman said:

You should take D3 with K2

This is not a command🤣

you can take it even with a sausage or pizza....

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, Carlotta said:

 Well, do you know that the annual global turnover in this supplement business is more than 250 Billion Euro/USD ?

So, if you follow the newcomers in EU countries every year you will see many new supplements starting in one country and flowing to all others. In the first they start with medical promises - what is against law - and when its off he market because of these reasons the same game starts in another country. and so on.

Popular are diet products or weight loss products (Carnithin eg). 

Now to one of the latest (next will come Fisetin or Quercetin I suppose) as Taurin:

Yeah, some mice lived londer than others and went more agile than others. But they are mice. And it was "tested" with a handful of creatures. So, at present no evidence or proof. 

The human dosage you asked for is between half a gram and 6 grams. Nobody will prevent you to drink or swallow it. (cristalline powder is not expensive. Lazada)

Try and spend 

Yes supplements are a huge business and sadly an unregulated one.

But standard western medicine is a much bigger business so I really don't get your point.

Any medicine as well as any supplements stand on their own merits sooner or later.

They are not all the same.

[Carlotta]

23 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes supplements are a huge business and sadly an unregulated one.

But standard western medicine is a much bigger business so I really don't get your point.

Any medicine as well as any supplements stand on their own merits sooner or later.

They are not all the same.

supplements are no medicines, just business as selling garbage bins or tooth brushes.

[BigStar]

30 minutes ago, Carlotta said:

supplements are no medicines, just business as selling garbage bins or tooth brushes.

 

And some do find garbage bins and toothbrushes helpful.

[Caldera]

If you're old already, why do you refuse to just die when your time has come? Haven't you looted and polluted the planet enough already?

[BigStar]

24 minutes ago, Caldera said:

If you're old already, why do you refuse to just die when your time has come? Haven't you looted and polluted the planet enough already?

 

Talk's cheap on the 'net.

 

The authoritative ANF Longevity Science, after years of tireless research by our top experts, incorporates three What, Me Worry Principles:

 

8.  What, me worry? I: The genes

 

It’s all genes. Git nekkid!

 

9.  What, me worry? II: Fate

 

It’s me fate. Might be hit by a lorry tomorrow. Get nekkid!

 

10. What, me worry? III: The French Salute

 

Woe is me; g'bye cruel world.

 

But you'll have to ask our Fatalists who profess to follow What, Me Worry? why they try so hard to thwart the Principles by chasing after hospitals, pharmacies, docs, meds, surgeries, treatments and paying all those medical bills. I'm just puzzled as you are. The one I asked didn't answer me, for some reason.

 

Meanwhile, you have this:

 

People aged 65 to 79 'happiest of all', study suggests

 

The survey of more than 300,000 adults across the UK found life satisfaction, happiness and feeling life was worthwhile all peaked in that age bracket, but declined in the over-80s.

 

The survey of more than 300,000 adults across the UK found life satisfaction, happiness and feeling life was worthwhile all peaked in that age bracket, but declined in the over-80s. , , , The over-90 age group reported by far the lowest levels of feeling their life was worthwhile, even though their reported levels of happiness and life satisfaction were comparable to those in their 20s and 30s.

    --https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35471624

 

Which I suppose answers your question for normal people.

 

Edited April 17 by BigStar

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, Caldera said:

If you're old already, why do you refuse to just die when your time has come? Haven't you looted and polluted the planet enough already?

No Greta.

[BigStar]

Maybe of some interest: new study just came out w/ different & narrow focus:

 

Estimation of taurine intake showed that dietary taurine intake potentially contributes to the maintenance of knee extension muscle strength over 8 years among Japanese community-dwelling middle-aged and older individuals. This is the first study to investigate the association of dietary taurine intake with muscle strength.

     --Association of taurine intake with changes in physical fitness among community-dwelling middle-aged and older Japanese adults: an 8-year longitudinal study

 

More strength in the elderly is a positive factor for their greater longevity.

[CharlieH]

Some bickering removed.

[1FinickyOne]

On 4/14/2024 at 1:47 AM, Jingthing said:

You may have heard that Taurine has shown very good results in life extension in mice.

I will pick some up for my mice - maybe they will want to spend more time outside the house.