Just now, JoseThailand said:

 

Even 7-11 girls do that occasionally

It is not called HomePro for nothing.

Just now, MalcolmB said:

She was working in a massage shop. 
it was a long journey. 20 years later.

 

I didn't know the UK provides work visas for working in massage shops

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

, gogo, beer bars, soapys, massage shops, karaoke, hair dresser, “pretties”, models, auto shows, Beach Road, tinder, Thaifreindly etc etc.

so the dregs of thai society then?

 

it's plain to see what kind of company you keep...

D- , Must try harder.

 

bob.

Just now, JoseThailand said:

 

I didn't know the UK provides work visas for working in massage shops

There would be thousands of Thais working in massage shops in the Uk and all throughout Europe.

Just now, MalcolmB said:

There would be thousands of Thais working in massage shops in the Uk and all throughout Europe.

 

They work illegally? 

Just now, JoseThailand said:

 

They work illegally? 

Not sure about the logistics. 
Korea and Malaysia is big for it also.

4 minutes ago, bob smith said:

 

it's plain to see what kind of company you keep...

D- , Must try harder.

 

bob.

I try to avoid whiney teetotalers who make up grandiose stories about themselves.

40 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Come on Bob, you are the expert here.

Tell us why relationships with bar girls are bad.

Or maybe just tell us why every relationship with every person you ever met failed.

I would imagine they all failed becuse he has to be the biggest loser to ever step foot in Thaiuland.

Define "prostitute."

Most women I've met could fall into that category other than hard-core feminists.  It's amazing how "wet" a Western farang gal can get for a wealthy, handsome guy especially one who is also a total Dick Richard, or a band member, or pro athlete, or socially connected, or economically connected.  Off come the skirt and it's horizontal mambo time.

Then you come to a third-world or developing world country where the concept of Christian-morality isn't at the top of anyone's list.  Even here in Thailand what is considered to be "traditional conservative Thai values" were in fact Western conservative Christian values that were imposed on the Thai natives by the leader of the 1932 Siamese Revolution by the military leader Plaek Phibunsongkhram.  He implemented the "Thai Great Tradition" and the "12 Thai Cultural Mandates".  The mandates go a long way in explaining Thailand nationalism as well as their dislike and distrust of foreigners especially at the elite levels of society.  Well, not that many farangs study history nowadays, no less Thai history.

 

But back to conservatism. 

 

What is pronounced a Thai cultural conservatism in dress and action was actually the result of Thai cultural mandate Number 10 implemented circa Jan 15, 1941.

• "Thai people should not appear at public gatherings, in public places, or in city limits without being appropriately dressed. Inappropriate dress includes wearing only underpants, wearing no shirt, or wearing a wraparound cloth."
• "Appropriate dress for Thai people consists of:
  • "Uniforms, as position and opportunity permits;
  • "Polite international-style attire;
  • "Polite traditional attire."

So essentially in one fell swoop - just like that - Thais were mandated to embrace Western attire and Western morality.  This was force on them by their military "leaders."  Thai conservatism isn't an "organic" occurrence.  It was mandated.  (Caveat - some of those outlawed dress styles like "wraparound cloth" became culturally appropriate post 2014 with Prayut in charge as Thai began to re-embrace their culture dress from the past.)

So you now have a very conflicted society, one that on the surface espouses conservatism in dress and morals, but underneath the facade? 

Giks, mia nois, shower massages (òp-àap-nuat), curtain hotels, karaoke bars (you think they just sing?) and that's basically a Thai cultural phenomenon geared for Thai men and one that is "Shhhhhh" rather disavowed unless you interact with Thai culture and society at a deeper level than foreign tourists, or even expats, encounter.

Then there is the bar scene geared specifically toward farangs and other foreign men.  And this scene gets all the attention in the press ("Don't look at the Giks, mia nois, shower massages (òp-àap-nuat), curtain hotels, karaoke bars - look at the bad farang sex-pats!!!")
So the gals who engage in the farang bar scene obtain the hypocritical labels Western men reserve for "loose women," e.g. "whores, prostitutes, sluts, etc," which of course is actually reflective of Western Christian morality.  "But I'm an Athetist!  Grrrr."  Yeah, but you reflect Christian morality with your actions and your language, "Bar-girls are all Whores!"  and "yada yada yada." 

Now - "Go native" and live here long enough outside the confines of farang gated communities and farang social clubs - and you see the realities pretty clearly: Sex in Thailand is a commodity and its widely for sale. Those engaged in the sex trade could be your next door neighbor (gigs and mia nois).  In the cities your next door neighbor could be working in karaoke bars or in shower massages.  The perky little university gal living in the next apartment over could be a side-line girl in a shower massage to pick up a quick 1000 THB before heading to the clubs, or finding sugar daddies on Tinder and other social media platforms.  Even your female "caddy" at your golf course probably makes significantly more money from her after hours liaisons with her day-time clients by "straighten your putter" on the 19th hole rather than what she makes by handing you your putter on the 18th hole.

But for the average expat or tourist closeted in their own cultural and social worlds - you don't see what is below the surface in plain sight. 

So do "bar-girls" make a "good date" or a "good wife?"  Well - as good as any Thai women who works in that particular trade be it in the Western farang community or the Thai male community.  It has a lot more to do with true Thai "culture" than it does a Thai woman's temporary choice of rather lucrative jobs.

 

44 minutes ago, bob smith said:

would you marry a prostitute in your home country??

 

bob.

I married a virgin in my home country.

Would have been better off with a prostitute!

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I married a virgin in my home country.

Would have been better off with a prostitute!

So would she.....

20 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

I would imagine they all failed becuse he has to be the biggest loser to ever step foot in Thaiuland.

....I was until you arrived!

 

bob.

53 minutes ago, bob smith said:

would you marry a prostitute in your home country??

 

bob.

bob smith - Hypocrite  Extraordinaire.

"I went out last night and got plastered.  Hired a half a dozen Thai prostitutes for an all-night rumble-in-the-jungles.  Woke up on the sidewalk and my wallet was empty.  Dirty WHORES!  Now I'm thinking about getting off the sauce.  Maybe leaving Thailand until I dry out."

Two days later...

"I went out last night and got plastered..."

Today:
"All of you poor expats who can't rub two dimes together and surely don't have as much money and prestige as Weathy-and-immensely-successful-bob-smith^TM all marry WHORES....Ha ha ha ha ha - you're all losers!" 

Yeah bob.  You dah man!

why even get married

5 minutes ago, connda said:

bob smith - Hypocrite  Extraordinaire.

"I went out last night and got plastered.  Hired a half a dozen Thai prostitutes for an all-night rumble-in-the-jungles.  Woke up on the sidewalk and my wallet was empty.  Dirty WHORES!  Now I'm thinking about getting off the sauce.  Maybe leaving Thailand until I dry out."

Two days later...

"I went out last night and got plastered..."

Today:
"All of you poor expats who can't rub two dimes together and surely don't have as much money and prestige as Weathy-and-immensely-successful-bob-smith^TM all marry WHORES....Ha ha ha ha ha - you're all losers!" 

Yeah bob.  You dah man!

you married a bar girl as well??

 

bob.

25 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

why even get married

so you can cheat on your wife!

 

it's a thrilling experience.

 

bob.

3 hours ago, Nemises said:

Been asked before and no one on here has ever married a bar girl. They were all “cashiers”. 

Quality comment mate. 

 

I found this comment recently on another thread, this guy has got himself a virgin, a cashier I'm sure. 😂

 

 

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

The culture is different here than in the west and she is highly respected for “taking care” of her family. And sex work is not frowned upon like in the West, with most Thai women doing some sort of sex work at some point of their lives. A lot of them are good girls who don’t even drink alcohol. My girl doesn’t have tattoos and thinks they are “dirty”.

 

555

Where did you get your wisdom? From her?

One of the worst scammer I ever met was the "nice" Thai girl playin' the long game

All lies in the end. Freelancers from a discotheque  more honest 

4 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

One of the worst scammer I ever met was the "nice" Thai girl playin' the long game

All lies in the end. Freelancers from a discotheque  more honest 

 

How much Thailand experience did you have at that time?

I also believed a lot when I just arrived in Thailand. Luckily, I didn't have much money so I couldn't lose much money.

Many of us fall for many lies here. It takes time to learn the "culture".

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Many of us fall for many lies here

speak for yourself, Farang!

 

bob.

32 minutes ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

oh snap! thats it boys..shut it down for today..we have out winner....kudos to you good Sir.....

Thank you...........😋

I dated a TG who owned a beauty salon. I had been to the salon and it was legit, with some employees. After the 3rd date, I asked if we could go to a hotel room, and she agreed. Fast forward about an hour later and she asks me for 2000 baht. I said, "Why should I pay you? You're not a prostitute." To which she answered, "I know I'm not a prostitute. That's why I charge more!" 

I didn't see her again. Everything is a shade of gray here in LOS. 

54 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

why even get married

lifetime companionship is probably the biggest benefit... - having a loving history and sharing family and children together... having someone to love and care about, who just might feel the same about you...

 

I see Kramer went red? Finally out of the closet? Good for him...  be true to yourself and your rainbow colors. 

I know a wealthy guy who married a street lady - he got a much better partner, she is a gem, he is not easy... 

2 hours ago, bob smith said:

...Why am I not surprised!!

 

bob.

Come on Bob, I expect better from you.

2 hours ago, bob smith said:

oh realllyyyyyyyyy

 

do tell me more. I would love to learn.

 

bob.

You would love to learn how to do sex work? With plums as tiny as yours? You couldn't make ends meet as a rent boy. Sure people would use you. They wouldn't pay and they'd no doubt just laugh if you asked for cash.

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I am getting married later this year.

My soon to be wife is the best woman I have ever met.

We met in London in 2020 during Covid and our love grew from there.

 

She was a single mother at 19 and came from an area in Thailand known for poverty. I don’t think she would have chosen to do it if she had other options. She didn’t do it because she was greedy and a drug addict. 
 

She has built a nice home for her parents and her children (she has 2, the youngest I might adopt, but has the body of a teenager) and supported them all and brought them up to a middle class standard of life. She has also bought some land which she rents out and a condo in Pattaya which also gives her some passive income.

 

The culture is different here than in the west and she is highly respected for “taking care” of her family. And sex work is not frowned upon like in the West, with most Thai women doing some sort of sex work at some point of their lives. A lot of them are good girls who don’t even drink alcohol. My girl doesn’t have tattoos and thinks they are “dirty”.

 

Thai women are famous for it all around the world. It is an acceptable occupation for the pretty women to get them out of the poverty trap. My wife is a real head turner.

And smart. Very smart.

How many people do you know that have never paid for a Thai woman? Not many I bet.

A lot of westerners I have met with Thai women make up stories about how they met and you know they are living a lie. 

A few of my long time friends back home said some nasty things about her and I chose to never speak to them again. Other friends have got to know her and think she is great.
Not a single Thai has said anything untoward as it is normal here.
 

I have never been happier and we are at an age that we will happily settle down together. I haven’t got a crystal ball but sometimes you “just know.”

 

Love conquers all.

 

 

If your GF has supposedly been able to purchase everything you have listed above then she has had more pricks than a second hand dartboard.

 

 

1 minute ago, LS24 said:

You would love to learn how to do sex work? With plums as tiny as yours? You couldn't make ends meet as a rent boy. Sure people would use you. They wouldn't pay and they'd no doubt just laugh if you asked for cash.

obsessed much?

 

bob.

2 hours ago, bob smith said:

would you marry a prostitute in your home country??

 

bob.

I would. I met some of the nicest girls I ever knew in "massage parlours", which was where one went before prostitution was legalised in NZ.

Nothing to do with sleazy street walkers high on drugs and controlled by pimps like they have in America.