2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Two options - move, as Indonesia is in the process is doing. Or build dikes.

 

Either way, it will be very expensive.

Enough dykes in Thailand already..

31 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

At least the government can hold office in the submarines that are on order from the Chinese 

Of course.....no engines, more space. Is the diameter of the entry hatch larger than the diameter of some party leaders?

There's nothing like a good flood, drought, climate change, pending economic and now pandemic crises to bring the fear out so that policians can profit from the proposed solutions...    Throw in poor transport issues too, high speed train anyone ?

 

 

The threat of Bangkok 'Sinking' has been ever present for decades - built on soft rock and its the water within that rock is being compressed - combine that with tidal extremes (seasonal) and the monsoons and we will always have a situation whereby Bangkok cannot drain. 

 

Move a  massive population (over years) to an area with higher land relief and instead of flooding, we'll have flash flooding - we don't have the flooding issues to quite the same extent in the other area's because the same level of precipitation is not encountered. OR, if it is, there is also flooding and mayhem. 

 

Thus: anywhere a major population is moved to, there will be issues.

 

Central Bangkok already has an excellent flood defence system in place, the issue is maintenance - address this, maintain the existing system, then further issues can be addressed.... such as extending it, building 'flood reservoir's' (i.e. KL).

 

Flooding of capital cities is a regionally wide issue for one reason - the amount of rain dropped in a very short period of time - we can't stop the cities getting flooded, we can only mitigate the impact when they do.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, JoePai said:

Why not more the Capital to a higher area ?

there has been talk of this since at least when I was here in the mic 70's.  then they were discussing the pros and  cos of a possible move to the ancient capital of Ayuttaya but in the past decades, that area floods every year too and I have seen them talking about some closer provinces.  Best to get with those plans quickly.

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Without serious study on Bangkok’s subsidence and the rising sea levels, and without significant investment to prevent Bangkok and its metropolitan area from submerging, the city faces a dire future.

But, doesn't this mean the powers that be, will have to actually, spend money, not sure from regular performance if they understand that concept, I was under the impression they were there to pocket money and maintain their grip on personal power and position.

Been reading this for at leat 40 years. And seen sandbags when catching the ferry since 1979.

39 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Time to buy up big in Korat.

 

 

That crossed my mind.....and Mu Si.....that will end up a millionaires paradise.

2 hours ago, milesinnz said:

Funny, I would have expected such an article from a meteorologist.. But hey, this is Thailand.. maybe economists study meteorology ???... I am looking forward to an economic assessment by a meteorologist...

Funny

I am hearing this every few years for the last 40 years now. It would help, if Bangkok's water supply is not overdependent on ground well water. It would also help, if all those geeks in charge of those water dams in central and northern Thailand are trained on HOW to operate the dams and its valves. 

It also might help to tell your red brethren in the North to operate those dozens if not hundreds of river dams in such a way, that tremendous - and in some cases life-threatening - deluges must be avoided in the interest of all those BELOW the Chinese dams. 

It also helps, if the people are being taught (i.e. prior to the nightly soap opera) on how to keep the drainages clean, free from oily leftovers of street kitchens, garbage and waste, construction rubbish etc. I've seen the most scary incidents by absolutely ignorant vendors and street kitchens; on mentioning this (in polite, smiling fluent Thai) the only thing I got back was an embarrassed smile. They know exactly, that this is not the way to dispose of greasy, solid or non-degradable waste. 

3 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Been reading this for at leat 40 years. And seen sandbags when catching the ferry since 1979.

Ww3

Climate

Bangkok going under

 

These people never get held to account.

If Bangkok is submerged by the sea, then every island in Thailand would have also been at least partially submerged by then as well. 

The Greenpeace report this is based on is fortunately complete nonsense, it would take 100 yrs minimum for levels to rise that much

7 years, rofl. Hope he is better in economics.

1 hour ago, retarius said:

It couldn't happen to a nicer place. My God but I loathe Bangkok...it is an evil, smelly, dirty, hot toilet that you feel sick even taking a dump in.

I read yesterday in the Guardian about Antartica where and iceberg the size of Britain cleaved off and is melting. They said it would raise sea levels by 10 to 30 feet (which I don't believe)  but even a 5 feet rise would re-contour the coastlines of the earth.

So gingers crossed that a modest and slow rise in sea levels to wipe this vile and evil travesty of a city off the face of the earth, and a let's have mass exodus of people to the North and North East so that house prices go up. 

Huge icebergs have been braking off and melting for decades and nothing happened yet.

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Two options - move, as Indonesia is in the process is doing. Or build dikes.

 

Either way, it will be very expensive.

The Dutch are building dykes already for a Millenium. Gained land from the see ( IJsselmeer polders),. And the deepest = Alexanderpolder, a city quaters east of Rotterdam, 6 mtr below sea level.

Whey the Thais cannot protect a city just 1/2 -1 mtr below sea level ?

2 hours ago, webfact said:

To address this looming crisis, Anusorn proposed six urgent policies: constructing water barriers, elevating coastal roads, which are large-scale projects requiring substantial budget planning from the government; and planting mangrove forests to act as buffer zones to absorb water and mitigate the impact of sea waves.

 

 

Not sure the little girl even knows what it is. Even if she does, not sure the puppeteers behind her have the political or financial will to do it 

4 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Huge icebergs have been braking off and melting for decades and nothing happened yet.

 

 

Nothing happened?

 

Satellite Data: NASA (the ones who never landed astronauts to the moon) and other space agencies have been using satellites to measure sea levels since the early 1990s. This data shows a clear trend of rising sea levels, with an average increase of about 3.3 millimeters per year over the past few decades.

 

So even if the rate increase remains constant and doesn't accelerate, the impact will be devastating for.....

 

 

### **Small Island Nations**
1. **Maldives**: An archipelago in the Indian Ocean, the Maldives is the world's lowest-lying country, with an average elevation of just about 1 meter above sea level. Rising sea levels threaten to submerge many of its islands.

2. **Kiribati**: Located in the central Pacific Ocean, Kiribati is highly vulnerable to rising sea levels, with some of its atolls already experiencing significant land loss and saltwater intrusion.

3. **Tuvalu**: Also in the Pacific, Tuvalu faces similar threats as Kiribati, with many of its islands only a few meters above sea level.

4. **Marshall Islands**: Another Pacific nation, the Marshall Islands is grappling with rising sea levels that threaten to inundate its low-lying atolls.

5. **Fiji**: While some of Fiji’s islands are mountainous, others are low-lying and vulnerable to sea level rise. Fiji has already begun relocating some communities.

### **Coastal Countries**
1. **Bangladesh**: A densely populated country with much of its land just above sea level, Bangladesh is extremely vulnerable to rising sea levels, which could displace millions of people.

2. **Vietnam**: The Mekong Delta in Vietnam is a crucial agricultural area but is highly susceptible to rising sea levels and saltwater intrusion, threatening both food security and livelihoods.

3. **Netherlands**: Although the Netherlands has extensive flood defenses, rising sea levels continue to pose a long-term threat, particularly to areas that are below sea level.

4. **Indonesia**: Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia, is one of the fastest-sinking cities in the world due to a combination of rising sea levels and subsidence. The country is planning to move its capital to a new location.

5. **Egypt**: The Nile Delta is at risk from rising sea levels, which could impact agriculture, infrastructure, and densely populated areas.

### **U.S. Coastal Regions**
1. **Florida**: Particularly Miami, faces significant risks from sea level rise, with regular flooding becoming more common.

2. **Louisiana**: The state has been losing land to the Gulf of Mexico for decades, and rising sea levels exacerbate this issue.

3. **New York City**: Coastal areas of New York, including parts of Manhattan, are at risk, especially from storm surges amplified by sea level rise.

These are just a few examples, but many other regions around the world are also threatened by the ongoing impacts of climate change and rising sea levels.

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Is the smart money moving to just outside BKK or all the way to Korat I wonder?

There's been talk of moving capital city to Korat for decades due to this

2 hours ago, milesinnz said:

Funny, I would have expected such an article from a meteorologist.. But hey, this is Thailand.. maybe economists study meteorology ???... I am looking forward to an economic assessment by a meteorologist...

Not that funny if read properly. He is proposing economic responses to a Greenpeace study.

They've been saying this for years. Before it was because too much ground water was being stolen combined with too much concrete covering Bangkok and too many high rise buildings. 

 

One thing is for sure. The Thais will not do anything until it's too late. And even then, money will mysteriously disappear. 

18 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Huge icebergs have been braking off and melting for decades and nothing happened yet.

The one mentioned is sitting on the bottom, melting land-based ice will rapidly raise sea levels. So when the sea-ice has receded to shallower depths we’re going to see a big acceleration in sea-level rise. Not too hard to grasp really.

2 hours ago, JoePai said:

Why not more the Capital to a higher area ?

What does that change to the multi-million inhabitans of Bangkok ?

10 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Nothing happened?

 

Satellite Data: NASA (the ones who never landed astronauts to the moon) and other space agencies have been using satellites to measure sea levels since the early 1990s. This data shows a clear trend of rising sea levels, with an average increase of about 3.3 millimeters per year over the past few decades.

 

So even if the rate increase remains constant and doesn't accelerate, the impact will be devastating for.....

 

 

### **Small Island Nations**
1. **Maldives**: An archipelago in the Indian Ocean, the Maldives is the world's lowest-lying country, with an average elevation of just about 1 meter above sea level. Rising sea levels threaten to submerge many of its islands.

2. **Kiribati**: Located in the central Pacific Ocean, Kiribati is highly vulnerable to rising sea levels, with some of its atolls already experiencing significant land loss and saltwater intrusion.

3. **Tuvalu**: Also in the Pacific, Tuvalu faces similar threats as Kiribati, with many of its islands only a few meters above sea level.

4. **Marshall Islands**: Another Pacific nation, the Marshall Islands is grappling with rising sea levels that threaten to inundate its low-lying atolls.

5. **Fiji**: While some of Fiji’s islands are mountainous, others are low-lying and vulnerable to sea level rise. Fiji has already begun relocating some communities.

### **Coastal Countries**
1. **Bangladesh**: A densely populated country with much of its land just above sea level, Bangladesh is extremely vulnerable to rising sea levels, which could displace millions of people.

2. **Vietnam**: The Mekong Delta in Vietnam is a crucial agricultural area but is highly susceptible to rising sea levels and saltwater intrusion, threatening both food security and livelihoods.

3. **Netherlands**: Although the Netherlands has extensive flood defenses, rising sea levels continue to pose a long-term threat, particularly to areas that are below sea level.

4. **Indonesia**: Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia, is one of the fastest-sinking cities in the world due to a combination of rising sea levels and subsidence. The country is planning to move its capital to a new location.

5. **Egypt**: The Nile Delta is at risk from rising sea levels, which could impact agriculture, infrastructure, and densely populated areas.

### **U.S. Coastal Regions**
1. **Florida**: Particularly Miami, faces significant risks from sea level rise, with regular flooding becoming more common.

2. **Louisiana**: The state has been losing land to the Gulf of Mexico for decades, and rising sea levels exacerbate this issue.

3. **New York City**: Coastal areas of New York, including parts of Manhattan, are at risk, especially from storm surges amplified by sea level rise.

These are just a few examples, but many other regions around the world are also threatened by the ongoing impacts of climate change and rising sea levels.

The Netherlands is for 25% under sea level and have been working on how to control this for a very long time.

So the 1 cm rise of the sea level per 3 years is something you can control but you DO need to work on it.

7 years for BKK is less than 3 cm rise, getting real scared now.

3 hours ago, webfact said:

A Thai economist warned that Bangkok could be submerged by the sea within the next seven to eight years. The government has been urged to take immediate action to prevent significant economic and social damage.

They'll do what they've done in the last seven to eight years... nothing.

 

16 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Nothing happened?

 

Satellite Data: NASA (the ones who never landed astronauts to the moon) and other space agencies have been using satellites to measure sea levels since the early 1990s. This data shows a clear trend of rising sea levels, with an average increase of about 3.3 millimeters per year over the past few decades.

 

So even if the rate increase remains constant and doesn't accelerate, the impact will be devastating for.....

3. **Netherlands**: Although the Netherlands has extensive flood defenses, rising sea levels continue to pose a long-term threat, particularly to areas that are below sea level.

The Dutch are building dykes already for a Millenium. Even when the sea level rises a 2-3 meters, plans are ready to coope with that. The rest of the world.. will have to swim. OR finally start to act.

2 hours ago, retarius said:

It couldn't happen to a nicer place. My God but I loathe Bangkok...it is an evil, smelly, dirty, hot toilet that you feel sick even taking a dump in.

I read yesterday in the Guardian about Antartica where and iceberg the size of Britain cleaved off and is melting. They said it would raise sea levels by 10 to 30 feet (which I don't believe)  but even a 5 feet rise would re-contour the coastlines of the earth.

So gingers crossed that a modest and slow rise in sea levels to wipe this vile and evil travesty of a city off the face of the earth, and a let's have mass exodus of people to the North and North East so that house prices go up. 

 

Never cross a ginger.

 

Greenpeace regularly orchestrates these media panics in order to drum up donations.

Donations that will be fed into their hefty office salaries and perks. A scam.

They’ve been predicting this since the 90s. At first it was that a big aquifer is being drained and Bangkok was sinking. Then it was the seas are rising. Bangkok was to be underwater by 2010 and then it was 2020. Now it’s 2030. 
 

I wouldn’t be investing in Surin seafront property just yet. 

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Casinos on stilts.....you heard it here first.

Better on a boat, 555

Just now, Trippy said:

Better on a boat, 555

 

Damn....too clever by half.

I've been hearing this for the last 25 years, and I dare say some here have heard it even longer.

 

As with most things in Thailand... when I see it! LOL 🤣🤣🤣 

3 hours ago, webfact said:

A Thai economist warned that Bangkok could be submerged by the sea within the next seven to eight years. 

Could be, but won't be.