EV charging outlets in condos

[Captain Flack]

A couple of total nonsense troll posts have been removed.

@CapraIbex

[arick]

Why don't you go and drive around to all the condos wherever you live and check and then you can report back to us.

[DrJack54]

Off topic post removed 

[motdaeng]

@jippytum, we owe you an apology.

you asked a good and meaningful question, but the entire thread has turned into a heated discussion ablut ev fires.

your topic is also being used by anti-ev trolls. they should start their own thread, something like: "we are the ev haters"

 

there’s a dedicated thread for discussing ev fire topics, so please use that one for fire-related discussions. thank you!

https://aseannow.com/topic/1335967-icev-ev-fires-worldwide/

 

[Captain Flack]

A post making a public comment on moderation has been removed.

[Henryford]

My condo has an undercover parking garage and we have banned EVs from charging there. Apart from the massive insurance costs imagine if one exploded in the garage. Not only would it destroy most of the cars in the garage it would probably seriously damage the condos above, with possibly lethal consequences. Fire fighters would not be able to access the garage. Many countries, like South Korea, have done the same. The problem of course is that they can still explode just sitting there.

Edited September 28 by Henryford

[OneMoreFarang]

10 hours ago, kwak250 said:

I prefer a car or motorcycle bouncing off the rev limiter rather than a large microwave silently moving at pace but feeling like nothing is happening. 

 

That reminds me of when I was a teenager and had a motorcycle. I modified the exhaust and air filter. That didn't make the bike faster, but with all that noise I was convinced it is a lot faster - and obviously more fun. 

[OneMoreFarang]

31 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

@jippytum, we owe you an apology.

you asked a good and meaningful question, but the entire thread has turned into a heated discussion ablut ev fires.

your topic is also being used by anti-ev trolls. they should start their own thread, something like: "we are the ev haters"

 

there’s a dedicated thread for discussing ev fire topics, so please use that one for fire-related discussions. thank you!

https://aseannow.com/topic/1335967-icev-ev-fires-worldwide/

 

 

EV fires are a big issue. Obviously, you can decide to ignore information about those fires. But some of us like to remind the EV fanboys that there are significant risks.

Personally, I have no problem with electric vehicles in general. They certainly have advantages. But that fact should not keep us away from seeing also their problems.

[motdaeng]

9 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

EV fires are a big issue. Obviously, you can decide to ignore information about those fires. But some of us like to remind the EV fanboys that there are significant risks.

Personally, I have no problem with electric vehicles in general. They certainly have advantages. But that fact should not keep us away from seeing also their problems.

 

no single ev owner denies or ignores that ev fires are harder to extinguish. but it is also a fact that evs catch fire much less

frequently than ice vehicles, something many ev opponents overlook. 

 

battery and ev manufacturers are working intensively to find solutions that minimize this problem.

i'm confident that even more improvements ( like LFP) will be made, in the near future!

 

off topic: 

nuclear power plants are not safe from natural disasters, wars, or human error. furthermore, the long-term storage of highly radioactive 

material is far from being resolved ... this is what personally concerns me more  .... as it seems to be an unsolvable problem.

[kwak250]

26 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

That reminds me of when I was a teenager and had a motorcycle. I modified the exhaust and air filter. That didn't make the bike faster, but with all that noise I was convinced it is a lot faster - and obviously more fun. 

yes taking the baffles out or at least cutting them in half and a new air filter made the bike go much faster (sound wise)🤣

[kwak250]

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Each to their own.

 

I’ve had both, I know which I prefer.

Fast microwave?

[JBChiangRai]

30 minutes ago, kwak250 said:

Fast microwave?

Definitely the fast microwave.

 

BYD Seal Performance has an almost 50:50 weight distribution, 60% power bias to the rear wheels and 530hp and it’s easy to spit the back end out when you want. And an instantaneous throttle response which you cannot achieve with ICE.

 

And when you want silence you can have it.

[Rimmer]

Off topic post removed, please don't do it again

@SAFETY FIRST

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

no single ev owner denies or ignores that ev fires are harder to extinguish. but it is also a fact that evs catch fire much less

frequently than ice vehicles, something many ev opponents overlook. 

 

battery and ev manufacturers are working intensively to find solutions that minimize this problem.

i'm confident that even more improvements ( like LFP) will be made, in the near future!

 

off topic: 

nuclear power plants are not safe from natural disasters, wars, or human error. furthermore, the long-term storage of highly radioactive 

material is far from being resolved ... this is what personally concerns me more  .... as it seems to be an unsolvable problem.

 

Personally I would prefer to be in the middle of a modern nuclear power plant compared to in the middle of a lithium battery charging station - especially if the area of that charging station was never designed for that kind of use.

 

Personally, I don't have much hope that lithium batteries will be somehow safe in the future.

 

 

[UWEB]

16 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Personally I would prefer to be in the middle of a modern nuclear power plant compared to in the middle of a lithium battery charging station

 

 

 

Better to look for a cancer treatment right away

[OneMoreFarang]

22 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Better to look for a cancer treatment right away

And I thought they use radiation to fight cancer. 😉 

[JBChiangRai]

53 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Personally I would prefer to be in the middle of a modern nuclear power plant compared to in the middle of a lithium battery charging station - especially if the area of that charging station was never designed for that kind of use.

 

Personally, I don't have much hope that lithium batteries will be somehow safe in the future.

 

 

It all depends on the battery chemistry.  Lithium Iron Phosphate as fitted to BYD’s is much safer, punctured batteries peak at 60•C and don’t catch fire.

 

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And I thought they use radiation to fight cancer. 😉 

 

It causes cancer too, radiation therapy is a risk.

[josephbloggs]

19 hours ago, kwak250 said:

Living in a condo and having these charging und/er you ?

You must be mad

 

 

God the anti EV people can't even come up with amusing memes. This one has been posted several times and it is just as dull and unfunny now as the first time it was posted.

I can laugh at anything if it is funny, this is just cringe.

[josephbloggs]

17 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Yeah, sure, it's so easy...

 

What you suggest:

 

 

Reality:

 

 

And now try to do that is a parking garage...

 

 

 

Google is easy to use.
 

 

[josephbloggs]

15 hours ago, kwak250 said:

And you have no feeling at all 

Even the loud pedal has no soul

You've never driven one have you? Admit it.

My 500+ bhp Subaru Impreza was the loudest thing I have ever heard. Screaming exhaust under acceleration, amazing whooshes and chatter from the external wastegate and blow off valve. I loved it. But all that noise is just inefficiency at the end of the day.

Drive a fast EV and it is intoxicating - much more so than my Subaru was with its massive turbo lag (I was running 2.0 bar on a huge IHI RX6 turbo), the wait while you changed down a cog or two, realistically a couple of seconds between wanting to go fast and getting the thump in your back. I have driven a 670 bhp Ferrari which made an amazing noise but still had a lag, albeit much less than my Subaru.

Try a fast EV with instantaneous response at all times and you soon realise that you don't need the noise. I love a good engine sound but once you have tried the alternative you realise it is not important and actually you come to appreciate the silence. And, as I said, the thrill is intoxicating. But you need to be a grown up with an open mind to try it and appreciate it, and unfortunately I don't think you qualify.

I used to have a closed mind on EVs and was occasionally guilty of using childish terms like "glorified washing machine", but then I thought I should try one before I criticise and my opinion immediately changed. And the same is true for my petrol head brother who now drives one and countless other people.

There are EV owners on here who have owned the most exclusive high performance exotic petrol cars and they wouldn't go back. I value their experience and knowledge much more than people like you who just throw out meaningless insults and - let's face it - very childish and pathetic memes, all based on zero knowledge or experience.

Oh, just realised this thread was supposed to be about condo charging. Why does every single EV related thread descend in to this? It always does. Do you people really not have anything better to do?

[kwak250]

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Definitely the fast microwave.

 

BYD Seal Performance has an almost 50:50 weight distribution, 60% power bias to the rear wheels and 530hp and it’s easy to spit the back end out when you want. And an instantaneous throttle response which you cannot achieve with ICE.

 

And when you want silence you can have it.

And yet no fun at all .

Always loved and always will love the sound of a nice v8 or at least a quick v6

Something unfortunately you will never get with a big battery

[JBChiangRai]

11 minutes ago, kwak250 said:

And yet no fun at all .

Always loved and always will love the sound of a nice v8 or at least a quick v6

Something unfortunately you will never get with a big battery

and that you will never get a silent, relaxing ride

[josephbloggs]

8 minutes ago, kwak250 said:

And yet no fun at all .

Always loved and always will love the sound of a nice v8 or at least a quick v6

Something unfortunately you will never get with a big battery

Imagine if Bangkok became fully EV overnight. It would be bliss. Would you miss the sound of old busses, of diesel pickup trucks, nasty rattling Fortuners, Everests and Pajeros, the sewing machine drone of the  CVTs of four pot Hondas or Toyotas?  Super loud modified tinny motorbikes? 

I own two petrol cars. One a horrid four cylinder CVT, one a peppy four cylinder turbo but still not an enjoyable noise. Why do I need that? It gives me no enjoyment, it is just noise.

Also not sure about V6s really. I owned one, it sounded OK but not special. I think the only really good sounding V6 was the NSX. I agree V8s generally sound good.

You can enjoy EVs but still like the sound of a high performance Ferrari or Lambo. But how often do you hear that? Hardly ever. There will always be a place for high performance petrol engined cars, why do you think liking EVs mean those will be wiped out? It is just stupid.

[kwak250]

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

and that you will never get a silent, relaxing ride

Never really wanted one 

I get it some people love them and they have plenty of benefits especially if you have your own solar panels.

I just like to hear the engine and after racing motorcycles and spectating to hundreds of events ,how can you even watch ev racing?

All good always enjoy what you buy just Ev's are not for me.

[OneMoreFarang]

40 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Google is easy to use.
 

 

 

Good idea. I wonder how many of such fire blankets exist in Thailand...

 

 

[josephbloggs]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Good idea. I wonder how many of such fire blankets exist in Thailand...

 

 

Probably none, but they do make sense and look easy to deploy.

[motdaeng]

9 minutes ago, kwak250 said:

... ev's are not for me.

 

we all get that, but why you posting on a ev thread? why bother?

on one thing we do agree with you, ev's aren't for everybody ... 

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[Bandersnatch]

On 9/25/2024 at 1:45 PM, n8sail said:

I have owned an EV and lived in a Condo for more than 3.5 years now.  In the beginning, they provided 15amp standard outlets to charge with (Max 3.5kw, "granny charger", you provide the charger, which normally comes with the car).  Each outlet had its own meter,  and the security guards would check and record power before and after you were done with the plug, then Juristic office would send you a bill each month.  At that time, very few EVs, so I basically just left my 'granny charger' there all the time.  I lived for 6 months with only this charger, driving 100-150km every work day.  No problem at all.  7 baht/kwh, so they made money on it.

I asked Juristic if I could install the 7.5kw permanently mounted charger that came free with the vehicle at one of the spots.  They said no.   No biggie, I installed the charger at work, BOI zone, company charges me 4baht/kwh, so they also make money.  I almost exclusively use this now as it is so incredibly cheap.

 

A few months ago the Condo installed Pupa Plugs from PEA, which are smart plugs with 15amp service, no app needed.  You simply scan QR code, enter phone number, input OTP they text to you, add money with QR code scan, tell how much money you want to use (7 baht/kwh), plug in your 'granny charger', and it all starts.  Webpage stays open on phone and tells you status and lets you stop charging if you want at any time.  Takes longer than just plugging in, but pretty easy compared to some other chargers, and NO STUPID APPS.   I would recommend this to any Condo Juristic office as it is easy, security guards have no extra work, no extra billing needed, all automatic, and just need the Pupa Plug box, which is very simple to install.  This is SLOW charging, though, have to leave overnight for any meaningful battery gains, which is totally fine for most usage.

 

https://pupa.pea.co.th/

Note that our parking is covered, but outside the building, not underneath.  A firetruck could drive right up to a burning car.

Also note that burning cars from slow 'granny' chargers like this would be borderline non-existent.  Your wife/girlfriend/kik's hairdryer probably uses more power.  I'd be much more worried about 20kw+ chargers which stress the battery/BMS a bit more.

 

Excellent post, great to hear from somebody who actually has direct experience of how to solve the problem.

 

Thanks for posting.

[OneMoreFarang]

Just now, josephbloggs said:

Probably none, but they do make sense and look easy to deploy.

 

Sure, they look like a good idea.

Obviously, there are still questions how long they would last but I am sure that could be managed and improved.

Unfortunately, I guess it will take a long time before such things would be available in Thai fire stations.

And how many of them would be ready if they need them.

Maybe every condominium should have them stored near, but not too near, to charging stations.

 

 

[kwak250]

32 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

You've never driven one have you? Admit it.

My 500+ bhp Subaru Impreza was the loudest thing I have ever heard. Screaming exhaust under acceleration, amazing whooshes and chatter from the external wastegate and blow off valve. I loved it. But all that noise is just inefficiency at the end of the day.

Drive a fast EV and it is intoxicating - much more so than my Subaru was with its massive turbo lag (I was running 2.0 bar on a huge IHI RX6 turbo), the wait while you changed down a cog or two, realistically a couple of seconds between wanting to go fast and getting the thump in your back. I have driven a 670 bhp Ferrari which made an amazing noise but still had a lag, albeit much less than my Subaru.

Try a fast EV with instantaneous response at all times and you soon realise that you don't need the noise. I love a good engine sound but once you have tried the alternative you realise it is not important and actually you come to appreciate the silence. And, as I said, the thrill is intoxicating. But you need to be a grown up with an open mind to try it and appreciate it, and unfortunately I don't think you qualify.

I used to have a closed mind on EVs and was occasionally guilty of using childish terms like "glorified washing machine", but then I thought I should try one before I criticise and my opinion immediately changed. And the same is true for my petrol head brother who now drives one and countless other people.

There are EV owners on here who have owned the most exclusive high performance exotic petrol cars and they wouldn't go back. I value their experience and knowledge much more than people like you who just throw out meaningless insults and - let's face it - very childish and pathetic memes, all based on zero knowledge or experience.

Oh, just realised this thread was supposed to be about condo charging. Why does every single EV related thread descend in to this? It always does. Do you people really not have anything better to do?

I have driven a byd seal and agree it is quick but I would never purchase one.

Sorry fell asleep when I got to

My 500+ bhp Subaru .....zzzzzz